WW LXXVII: The Metamorphs of Wolf-562-e

[Paranoia]

Rikae, feelings a bit mutual. You just remind me of the sort of people I used to play with that thought they knew everything, but were simply as one dimensional and simplistic as the people they put down. I would think that if the morphs or the bear felt threatened by you that much, you'd be already dead, but I shouldn't probably mention that for fear of your ego. Also the real bear is having a hearty laugh at you while I am just a wee bit more than just exasperated.

To Zul: At the start of the day you said you considered me unlikely to be a wolf, and that you had spent most of your time looking for them. My issue with you now is you go and vote for someone you do not suspect to be a wolf, as opposed to another person you don't believe to be a wolf. The difference here is that Pitch voted two days in a row without bothering to wait for me to post to respond to the accusations against me. This seems to indicate that you are indeed unconcerned about looking for the bear; it seems to indicate you know who the bear is. As in... the bear is you.

To Shasta: Your overwhelming attempt to shifting your focus on the bear today seems to indicate to me that you don't care about hunting morphs; indeed, the primary danger is still the morphs, no matter how diminished the traitor is in effect. Their numbers still give them a leg up on everyone else. And since you're so fond of math...

7- 3 (the lynch and the night kill) = 4. If we hit right, assuming traitor. 7-3 = 4. We still lose, unless the assassin strikes true tonight. Assuming we hit the morph. 7-2 = 5. Pretty good odds, with the traitor basically stuck with no way to win, and the bear having to survive two rounds. Hitting the bear leaves us at 7-2 = 5, and assuming the traitor isn't hit, leaves us in a dire position with only one more mistake costing us the game.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Cut it out.

There is no need or call for any of this rudeness. Werewolf is a game, and meant to be enjoyed as such. Stop cutting each other down, please.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Cut it out.

There is no need or call for any of this rudeness. Werewolf is a game, and meant to be enjoyed as such. Stop cutting each other down, please.

Seconded. Play nice, children, or Miss Nerwen will start bashing you with hammers. Much as I like death and destruction, it has to be civilized.


ETA: As a way of clarification, my last post (and all post-mortem comments) are out-of-game statements and reflect neither my alignment nor my standing on the living, at least in an opinion sense. Just in case y'all were wondering. And the spelling/syntax comment was a general statement, though everyone should take heed of it since I have noticed an increase in lack of rule-following in that department (on the whole site, not just in WW.)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Paranoia

To Shasta: Your overwhelming attempt to shifting your focus on the bear today seems to indicate to me that you don't care about hunting morphs; indeed, the primary danger is still the morphs, no matter how diminished the traitor is in effect. Their numbers still give them a leg up on everyone else.

If the Morphs had more than one member remaining, I'd agree with you. As they don't, I respectfully disagree.

Originally Posted by Paranoia

7- 3 (the lynch and the night kill) = 4. If we hit right, assuming traitor. 7-3 = 4. We still lose, unless the assassin strikes true tonight. Assuming we hit the morph. 7-2 = 5. Pretty good odds, with the traitor basically stuck with no way to win, and the bear having to survive two rounds. Hitting the bear leaves us at 7-2 = 5, and assuming the traitor isn't hit, leaves us in a dire position with only one more mistake costing us the game.

If you'd like me to mention all the factors that I can think of that affect this total, I will. Let's see...

1. We lynch the Bear, and the Assassin kills the Morph. Village wins.

2. We lynch the Morph, and the Bear kills an innocent. Village is down to five, with one baddie.

3. We lynch the Traitor, the Assassin kills the Morph, and the Bear kills an innocent. Village is down to four, with one baddie.

4. We lynch the Traitor, the Morph kills an innocent, and the Bear kills an innocent. Village is down to four, with two baddies. Village loses.

5. We lynch the Traitor and the Morph and Bear kill each other. Village wins.

7-9. Replace "Traitor" with "Innocent".

10. We lynch the Bear, and the Morph kills an innocent. Village is down to five, with one baddie and the Traitor remaining. At least one villager knows the identity of the Traitor.


So you see, there are plenty of ways for things to turn out, but the best situations all revolve around killing the Bear first.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Izzy

Unlike you Shasta, I like to question things. As opposed to merely forcing votes as to how I want them to go.

I like to question things too. But unlike you, I don't like to do that to the exclusion of all else and avoid giving any of my own opinions in the process.

[Isabellkya]

If I am reading that right.. you are wanting us to play and speak accordingly to what will make Rikae happy?

X'd since my last post.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

If I am reading that right.. you are wanting us to play and speak accordingly to what will make Rikae happy?

X'd since my last post.

It was a statement in general.

I'm not trying to make anyone "happy". I'm simply asking that everyone who's being rude to someone else, please stop. There's no need for it.

[Rikae]

Izzy, since you're the tie-breaker, I'll tell you this:

Something Noia just said makes me doubt he's the Wereborg - unless you think he's the sort to pull off a bluff in his post putting me down, that is.

[Rikae]

Although, on second thought, he may very well be... someone who knows him better can judge that more easily, though.

Edit:
X'd with all since my last.

[Isabellkya]

++Pitch

My gut says that this Paranoia wagon is all wrong. If I'm wrong then *shrug*, my gut will need to see a doctor.


x'd with Sally & Rikae.

[wintywinty]

here and reading

[Paranoia]

Shasta, I really, honestly do have to disagree. It might just be how I look at situations, but I always count Traitors against the town. I have always counted them against the town, even when technically they count amongst the town's numbers, as they are never neutralized as a threat to the town until that last mafia member, pack mate, or morphmate bite the dust, because until then they aren't. So numbers wise, I consider that last morph the biggest threat, simply because there is a role that will win only if they win. I'd barely given a thought to the bear until you basically called me the bear while providing me basically no time to defend myself against the accusation. Maybe you're right, and I'm just not factoring the Assassin into the equation; in that case yes, lynching the bear is the best case scenario, with the hickup you've gotten it completely and utterly wrong.

[Rikae]

Crossposted - Ok, Sally, I'll drop the subject.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Paranoia

Rikae, feelings a bit mutual. You just remind me of the sort of people I used to play with that thought they knew everything, but were simply as one dimensional and simplistic as the people they put down. I would think that if the morphs or the bear felt threatened by you that much, you'd be already dead, but I shouldn't probably mention that for fear of your ego. Also the real bear is having a hearty laugh at you while I am just a wee bit more than just exasperated.

Well, what can I possibly say? I've been playing here for three and a half years, and I've had some good times and made some friends. Heck, I even met my husband here.
But now, the place belongs to you and your crowd. I remind you of the people you've played with? The people who came into this little corner of the internet that was once frequented by those who shared an interest in something other than Werewolf and turned it into their own personal clubhouse, driving the old regulars away? You're among friends, and obviously you can insult me all you like. Your buddies' playing style is "simplistic" in my view, but I can't expect you to see how that is the case - it just happens that the old days, and the complexities of the games here I once enjoyed so much, are over.
Go ahead. Insult me all you like. As for my "ego" with regard to being killed, *shrug*. Read it that way if you want to.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Well, what can I possibly say? I've been playing here for three and a half years, and I've had some good times and made some friends. Heck, I even met my husband here.
But now, the place belongs to you and your crowd. I remind you of the people you've played with? The people who came into this little corner of the internet that was once frequented by those who shared an interest in something other than Werewolf and turned it into their own personal clubhouse, driving the old regulars away? You're among friends, and obviously you can insult me all you like. Your buddies' playing style is "simplistic" in my view, but I can't expect you to see how that is the case - it just happens that the old days, and the complexities of the games here I once enjoyed so much, are over.
Go ahead. Insult me all you like. As for my "ego" with regard to being killed, *shrug*. Read it that way if you want to.

The temptation to comment sarcastically on the first paragraph is so fierce, but I won't, because I don't think you'd take it in stride right now. (No offense.)


Actually, this is a very good topic of discussion, but one I think would be better served by its own thread, so that not only those of us living (or pretending to be ) may participate, but the Werewolf community at large. It's certainly a subject that's been on my mind for a while, at least. Would you mind if I started a thread for this purpose and quoted the relevant posts at the start?



Also, just refreshed. Thanks for returning (mostly) to civilized chaos, guys. I appreciate it, and I'm sure Nerwen (who'll be coming shortly, no doubt) does too.

[Paranoia]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Well, what can I possibly say? I've been playing here for three and a half years, and I've had some good times and made some friends. Heck, I even met my husband here.
But now, the place belongs to you and your crowd. I remind you of the people you've played with? The people who came into this little corner of the internet that was once frequented by those who shared an interest in something other than Werewolf and turned it into their own personal clubhouse, driving the old regulars away? You're among friends, and obviously you can insult me all you like. Your buddies' playing style is "simplistic" in my view, but I can't expect you to see how that is the case - it just happens that the old days, and the complexities of the games here I once enjoyed so much, are over.
Go ahead. Insult me all you like. As for my "ego" with regard to being killed, *shrug*. Read it that way if you want to.

Oh for the love of. I've had a plenty bad day. I'm sorry if I got a bit overworked, and a bit emotional, but considering the fact that this right now is the crowning jewel in a day that keeps getting worse for me is leaving me all the more exasperated. Honestly, you're not as bad as the MS crowd or... heaven forbid. the Epic Mafia crowd. I think what's kicked this off is a long string of horrid luck that I've had lately and I'm kinda on the verge of going kind of eehhh. So sorry if I offended. I'm just not in the greatest mood at the moment.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Paranoia

Oh for the love of. I've had a plenty bad day. I'm sorry if I got a bit overworked, and a bit emotional, but considering the fact that this right now is the crowning jewel in a day that keeps getting worse for me is leaving me all the more exasperated. Honestly, you're not as bad as the MS crowd or... heaven forbid. the Epic Mafia crowd. I think what's kicked this off is a long string of horrid luck that I've had lately and I'm kinda on the verge of going kind of eehhh. So sorry if I offended. I'm just not in the greatest mood at the moment.

Deadline has passed. Calm down and hush for the Night. Thank you.