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No...I don't think there's enough for Greenie either
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Izzy's around too... Izzy??
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++Fea
I'm sorry hun, if you're innocent. Duty is forcing me to make this choice.
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Join Date: Dec 2000
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Boro, hmm? The obvious question is why.
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What other 'duty' could he have been referring to?
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Join Date: Aug 2009
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Why? Because we failed at sublety. Seriously, if no one noticed that but the wolves, I'll be surprised.
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At the last moment, Boro chose my life over a possible Greenie lynch.~~~ List! Trust absolutely: Just me now. ![]() Trust pretty much: Nog Zil Mira Shasta Nienna Nerwen Trust mostly: Legate Lommy WW SS Morsul Unsure: Izzy Brinn Wolves: Glirdy Sally Agan Greenie Will vote: Glirdy Sally Agan Greenie Will not vote: Anyone else.
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Shady She-Penguin
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: In a far land beyond the Sea
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Good morning!
First off, I'm quite surprised Fea turned out to be the cobbler. I was so certain she was either an innocent or a wolf playing her regular retraction tactic. (No one says she couldn't have been a cobbler playing her regular retraction tactic but she could've been a cobbler doing anything.) Anyway, given that we were probably wrong about Lottie (by "we" I of course mean all the Lottie voters, most of which I know in RL) it was very good she was lynched instead of her. In other words, I believe Lottie's claim. As for Boro, someone asked why him. Someone suggested the tie between him and Lottie was obvious. Well, it wasn't so obvious that I would have noticed so we should look at other possible reasons. (And this is not to say "because I didn't see that, it can't be the reason I killed him" merely that I don't think the connection was that obvious. But on the other hand, there are four wolves who can think together and they might be rereading the thread overNight. Arg, I'll stop flip-flopping and just speculate other reasons what ever the grounds for doing that are!) One thing that comes to my mind is that Boro is a dangerous player, someone the wolves would like to get rid of, and as he was quite quiet yesterDay, he wouldn't have left much tracks to follow. Clean kill to eliminate a potential threat. And of course, we can never dismiss the possibility of the victim giving the wolves gifted vibes.But these reasons aren't of much use until we have more deaths and can figure out a pattern or we can connect these reasons of killing Boro to some players. My best guess in this light is Morsul who first suggested Boro and Lottie were Shirriffs together. ![]() Off to have a look at yesterDay (there was something very weird there) and possibly reply some points...
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Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris
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Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull.
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Loslote, I'm ready to believe you on your claim because it all does make sense, after seeing what went down at the very end of yesterDay. I guess we'll just have to see if anyone else makes the same claim. I doubt it, but in WW you never know.
![]() Fea's role as cobbler isn't exactly the most desired result from a lynch since we'd rather be lynching wolves, but catching the cobbler on Day One isn't too shabby and certainly better than seeing an actual innocent get lynched. For one thing, I think if left alive, Fea could've made out to be quite dangerous as cobbler, so I'm rather relieved we've denied her the opportunity to wreak havoc on the village. There should be a lot to discuss from yesterDay. The ending was rather interesting, as votes seemed to be all over the place in this frantic attempt to save Loslote. While it's possible one of the Lottie voters is a wolf, I think it's just as likely if not more that at least one of the players trying to save her from getting lynched is a wolf. Defending or trying to save an innocent is a classic werewolf move in the attempt to make themselves look good. The last minute bandwagon attempt against Greenie is something worth looking at. I'm not sure how it all started, but at first glance it does look like the type of bandwagon that would be easy for a wolf to jump on. It's certainly something I want to look into later. It's really late now, so I'll check further into yesterDay's events come tomorrow. Although I should be doing my homework then, it's the weekend, which means I'll probably spend more time than I should playing WW and being lazy, and then end up pulling another all-nighter come Sunday night. I really ought to learn to discipline myself better. ![]() EDIT: Oh wow, I actually x-posted. And I know I'm going to bed too late when the Finns show up saying good morning...
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Join Date: Dec 2004
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Good night, Brinn!
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The Sweetest Spoiler
Join Date: Nov 2007
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*glares at Izzy* Oh, that's just not fair....I was gonna do that at some point. Mind, that's not going to stop me from possibly doing it later.
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EDIT:X'd since Brinn at #236.
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Join Date: Aug 2009
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We already know that Fea was the Cobbler. Lommy seems genuine to me, plus she was in the least suspicious position - just Fea's silly vote so far. Legate also looks innocent to me, although mostly because he was Sally and Glirdy's fall-back option as a scapegoat. So then, Greenie. Her vote post was apologetic, she voted when I was starting to lead the votes (prime bandwaggon spot) and claimed not to have any real reason. If there is a wolf among these four, and I think there is, I'd bet it's Greenie.
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Amongst trees.
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We're no strangers to time
You know the rules and so do I A wolf lynchings what I'm thinking of You wouldn't get this from any other player I just want to tell you what I'm thinking Gotta make you understand Always gonna give you up Never gonna be on time Never gonna run around and not lynch you Always gonna make you cry, Never gonna say goodbye Always gonna tell the truth and get you lynched I've known you for this night Your claws have been aching but you're too shy to say it Outside we both know whats been going on We know the game and were gonna play it And if you ask me what I'm thinking Don't tell me you're too blind to see it (ooooh give you up) (ooooh give you up) (oooh)always gonna give, always gonna give (give you up) (oooh)always gonna give, always gonna give (give you up) I've known you for this night Your teeth have been aching but you're too shy to say it Inside we both know whats been going on We know the game and were gonna play it And if you ask me what I'm thinking Don't tell me you're too blind to see it Always gonna give you up Never gonna be on time Never gonna run around and not lynch you Always gonna make you cry, Never gonna say goodbye Always gonna tell the truth and get you lynched ![]() That is good to know that Loslote is the other Shirrriff. Though, it was kind o f obvious that there was sooome kind of connection. X'd with Brin and Lommy.
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~~~ Conclusion: I still think Sally's a wolf, even more so than before. That Legate vote still looks very suspicious. ~~~ Also, edited out all of Silly Sally's smilies because I was very much over the image limit. EDIT: xed since my last
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A Voice That Gainsayeth
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: In that far land beyond the Sea
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As for Fea being the cobbler, I must say I am happy for the outcome and it seems we were quite lucky. It's not a Wolf, but we don't need to worry about the famous Aganzir's horror scenario, and this is also the only way to be sure and discern a Cobbler from an innocent. So now I am going to recheck who voted whom and whatnot, and maybe come up with some thoughts. Good that Lottie is making her input, as a known innocent, please continue doing so And btw, no need to weep yet, there is still the possibility that Boro might return from the dead (unless you are targeted and killed at Night, however who knows what the Ranger does...)And btw, some people yesterDay voiced suspicion about me according to my vote for Lottie, calling it that I jumped on a bandwagon or something, note please that I kept saying that I am going to vote her (and was quite firmly decided to do that) already quite early, and I was the first one to suspect her as far as I am aware (my post where I said it crossposted I think with somebody saying similar suspicion, but that's it). And for that matter, I didn't even realise for quite a long time that Fea's vote was for her as well (as I didn't think about the vote, considering it a "random vote" which, even more likely, is going to be retracted! - cf. Lommy's theory about that Fea cast it only to retract it later. Anyway, I wasn't considering the vote). So my vote was only my vote and that's also why I kept it even with the concern about "easy lynch crowd" (as I said in reply to Nogrod who voiced that concern). EDIT: x-ed with Nerwen and Lottie
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Join Date: Aug 2009
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...jk. Don't die. Wolf die instead. Anywho, Boro agreed most fervently about Greenie and Sally. He was not as enthusiastic about Agan and Glirdy, but he did agree that it was likely they were wolfly. He trusted Nienna and Mira most out of everyone who was him or me. Just in case you were wondering. ![]() EDIT: xed with no one but I am sleepy, it's way way way too late, and I'm off to the land of wonders, where I shall dream of waking dead and happier times when no wolf threatened my village. Or chocolate, which ever ends up in my dreams.
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A Voice That Gainsayeth
Join Date: Nov 2006
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Okay, rechecked the votes and also noticed that Boro accompanied his vote with "sorry hun, duty is forcing me to make this choice". Which, basically, is a big note saying "there is something going on here" - although it looks like he said it just to apologize to Fea whom he even might have thought innocent. Anyway, adding two and two together... it's really clear to see now where the WWs were (I'd say almost 99%) coming from.
Otherwise... if I were to assume that there is at least one Wolf in each of the bandwagons, which might as well not be the case, given that Wolves might have been just throwing away votes all over the place and making the village do the bad work... on the other hand, in my experience, the innocents are usually far more straightforward with their votes, i.e. if they have a suspicion, they go for it no matter that nobody else follows them, unlike WWs - of course depending on the particular WW, but I just think it's somehow more likely that way. Anyway, what was I originally saying. If I had like a gun pointed at me right now and be told "say one name from each bandwaggon", from the Fea bandwaggon, I'd think of either Nogrod or Brinn, as skip who started it sounded reasonable and it was not a bandwaggon yet. Then maybe Brinn more than Nogrod, however I admit I'd have to reread Nog's posts one more time (and Brinn's maybe too, though I think I remember them better as there were less of them), as Nog generally speaks sense (well, Brinn does too, but...) but Brinn seems more "creepy". But in general, I consider both of them quite innocent and reasonable. There is however one important thing to take into account - would the Wolves dare to kill Boro toNight if there was one of them in the Fea bandwaggon? As that'd leave quite a few people, and if somebody took the idea that "now there is a Wolf in Fea's voters, I am sure of it!" there will be quite a large chance for the Wolf there being caught. Not that, on the other hand, there wasn't much of a difference - if Boro was alive and Lottie killed instead, he would probably reveal anyway and thus there will be again only 3 people left. Of course, it all comes down to how much the Wolves did think of at Night, which we can't determine. It could also have been perceived just as a "well, whatever" or "let's do it, we hope that people are not going to examine Fea's voters, thinking that she was a Cobbler so no Wolf voted her" (that would be a rather lame thinking, so I don't assume we have such simple Wolves). In other words, btw, it made me think that this must have been a really baaad Night for the WWs. "This Day went just wrong!" Quite a broken spirit, eh, dear furry stalking friends? But I think the middle way would make the most sense, that the WWs just did what they had to, and now hoped the Fea voters won't be looked at. Okay, now actually along this train of thought, I have arrived somehow to being more inclined to believe that there might have been a Wolf among Fea voters more probably. If so, then I'd really put my bets on Brinn, as if you look at what she said toDay early, she started assuming a Wolf in Lottie-saving bandwaggon, but she explicitely named Greenie-wagon to be looked at, which could mean downplaying Fea-voters (of whom she is one)... and the more if Greenie was another fellow Wolf of hers. However, note that this is a theory now made as my thoughts go, following the original premises. As for the other one, Lommy and Greenie are equally good choices for me to find a Wolf in the other bandwaggon if I were to look for it, maybe with having a few more reasons to think Lommy innocent for things she said yesterDay. But anyway, only speculating. Then there of course would be another, wait, two Wolves among the rest! For that matter, sally's vote's been mentioned yesterDay as somewhat out-of-place and I sort of agree, if nothing else, it was inconsistent with what sally said. It wouldn't be a problem otherwise, but I think Nog or who was it had a point in saying that if sally wanted to save Lottie (resp. create a contest-bandwaggon), she would vote for somebody who already had a vote, and not me who didn't have a vote at all. I don't know if there was much of a chance to lynch me at the point (it didn't seem to me so much), so not sure if I can believe sally's explanation. (And that said, what I said above about innocents sticking to their votes won't certainly apply in this case - as that was not the reason sally stated, she came up with the somewhat strange explanation that she wanted to save Lottie.) Anyway... I am keeping my eye on her now. Now otherwise, I'd need to look at people again... but I have at least somewhat settled the thoughts for myself. EDIT: x-ed since my last
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