WW LXXV: It's Always Tea Time Here

[Nienna]

Can we lynch Ms. Sally-kins? Are there enough of us left?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nienna

Can we lynch Ms. Sally-kins? Are there enough of us left?

I don't think there are. Four for me, against three against Sally (you, me, Boro). Not nearly enough. We'd have to vote for Mira or Fea.

EDIT: xed

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Nienna

Can we lynch Ms. Sally-kins? Are there enough of us left?

No...I don't think there's enough for Greenie either

[Nienna]

Izzy's around too... Izzy??

[Boromir88]

++Fea

I'm sorry hun, if you're innocent. Duty is forcing me to make this choice.

[Inziladun]

Boro, hmm? The obvious question is why.

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Maybe Lottie is the other Sherriff? Boro switched votes to save her?

Possible. It might explain why he said this when he gave his vote for Fea:

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I'm sorry hun, if you're innocent. Duty is forcing me to make this choice.

What other 'duty' could he have been referring to?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Boro, hmm? The obvious question is why.

Why? Because we failed at sublety. Seriously, if no one noticed that but the wolves, I'll be surprised.

Possible. It might explain why he said this when he gave his vote for Fea:



What other 'duty' could he have been referring to?

Heh. Funny story...let's just say there were many pms with both of us not knowing who to vote for. We wanted to kill Greenie but didn't think we could; we didn't want to kill Mira at all; we would settle for Fea if we had to... At the last moment, Boro chose my life over a possible Greenie lynch.

~~~

List!

Trust absolutely:
Just me now.

Trust pretty much:
Nog
Zil
Mira
Shasta
Nienna
Nerwen

Trust mostly:
Legate
Lommy
WW
SS
Morsul

Unsure:
Izzy
Brinn

Wolves:
Glirdy
Sally
Agan
Greenie

Will vote:
Glirdy
Sally
Agan
Greenie

Will not vote:
Anyone else.

[Thinlómien]

Good morning!

First off, I'm quite surprised Fea turned out to be the cobbler. I was so certain she was either an innocent or a wolf playing her regular retraction tactic. (No one says she couldn't have been a cobbler playing her regular retraction tactic but she could've been a cobbler doing anything.) Anyway, given that we were probably wrong about Lottie (by "we" I of course mean all the Lottie voters, most of which I know in RL) it was very good she was lynched instead of her. In other words, I believe Lottie's claim.

As for Boro, someone asked why him. Someone suggested the tie between him and Lottie was obvious. Well, it wasn't so obvious that I would have noticed so we should look at other possible reasons. (And this is not to say "because I didn't see that, it can't be the reason I killed him" merely that I don't think the connection was that obvious. But on the other hand, there are four wolves who can think together and they might be rereading the thread overNight. Arg, I'll stop flip-flopping and just speculate other reasons what ever the grounds for doing that are!) One thing that comes to my mind is that Boro is a dangerous player, someone the wolves would like to get rid of, and as he was quite quiet yesterDay, he wouldn't have left much tracks to follow. Clean kill to eliminate a potential threat. And of course, we can never dismiss the possibility of the victim giving the wolves gifted vibes.

But these reasons aren't of much use until we have more deaths and can figure out a pattern or we can connect these reasons of killing Boro to some players. My best guess in this light is Morsul who first suggested Boro and Lottie were Shirriffs together.

Off to have a look at yesterDay (there was something very weird there) and possibly reply some points...

[Brinniel]

Loslote, I'm ready to believe you on your claim because it all does make sense, after seeing what went down at the very end of yesterDay. I guess we'll just have to see if anyone else makes the same claim. I doubt it, but in WW you never know.

Fea's role as cobbler isn't exactly the most desired result from a lynch since we'd rather be lynching wolves, but catching the cobbler on Day One isn't too shabby and certainly better than seeing an actual innocent get lynched. For one thing, I think if left alive, Fea could've made out to be quite dangerous as cobbler, so I'm rather relieved we've denied her the opportunity to wreak havoc on the village.

There should be a lot to discuss from yesterDay. The ending was rather interesting, as votes seemed to be all over the place in this frantic attempt to save Loslote. While it's possible one of the Lottie voters is a wolf, I think it's just as likely if not more that at least one of the players trying to save her from getting lynched is a wolf. Defending or trying to save an innocent is a classic werewolf move in the attempt to make themselves look good. The last minute bandwagon attempt against Greenie is something worth looking at. I'm not sure how it all started, but at first glance it does look like the type of bandwagon that would be easy for a wolf to jump on. It's certainly something I want to look into later.

It's really late now, so I'll check further into yesterDay's events come tomorrow. Although I should be doing my homework then, it's the weekend, which means I'll probably spend more time than I should playing WW and being lazy, and then end up pulling another all-nighter come Sunday night. I really ought to learn to discipline myself better.

EDIT: Oh wow, I actually x-posted. And I know I'm going to bed too late when the Finns show up saying good morning...

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

EDIT: Oh wow, I actually x-posted. And I know I'm going to bed too late when the Finns show up saying good morning...

Hehe especially as it's like 11am here and not like 7am... Good night, Brinn!

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

While it's possible one of the Lottie voters is a wolf, I think it's just as likely if not more that at least one of the players trying to save her from getting lynched is a wolf. Defending or trying to save an innocent is a classic werewolf move in the attempt to make themselves look good. The last minute bandwagon attempt against Greenie is something worth looking at. I'm not sure how it all started, but at first glance it does look like the type of bandwagon that would be easy for a wolf to jump on. It's certainly something I want to look into later.

I'd not ignore the Lottie-voters either. True, I don't want to fall into the "one of them has to be a wolf" trap, because I've played too many games where wolves have kept right out of a bandwagon. However, the circumstances of that particular one are quite odd.

EDIT:X'd since Brinn at #236.

[Isabellkya]

We're no strangers to time
You know the rules and so do I
A wolf lynchings what I'm thinking of
You wouldn't get this from any other player
I just want to tell you what I'm thinking
Gotta make you understand

Always gonna give you up
Never gonna be on time
Never gonna run around and not lynch you
Always gonna make you cry,
Never gonna say goodbye
Always gonna tell the truth and get you lynched

I've known you for this night
Your claws have been aching but you're too shy to say it
Outside we both know whats been going on
We know the game and were gonna play it
And if you ask me what I'm thinking
Don't tell me you're too blind to see it

(ooooh give you up)
(ooooh give you up)
(oooh)always gonna give, always gonna give
(give you up)
(oooh)always gonna give, always gonna give
(give you up)

I've known you for this night
Your teeth have been aching but you're too shy to say it
Inside we both know whats been going on
We know the game and were gonna play it
And if you ask me what I'm thinking
Don't tell me you're too blind to see it

Always gonna give you up
Never gonna be on time
Never gonna run around and not lynch you
Always gonna make you cry,
Never gonna say goodbye
Always gonna tell the truth and get you lynched



That is good to know that Loslote is the other Shirrriff. Though, it was kind o f obvious that there was sooome kind of connection.


X'd with Brin and Lommy.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

*jerks awake*

STOP BLOODY VOTING FOR PEOPLE WITH NO REASON!

Erm....hello. When did you all get here? And would you like some tea? Some....some tea....



*slumbers once more*


ETA: An introduction. *waves* Hello there, winty. I'm Sally. Nice to meet you, blah blah I really shouldn't have edited this in but felt the need to say 'hello' properly so there it is.

ETA #2: Also, winty dear, your vote should technically be placed on a separate line. Just so Wilwa's head doesn't explode.

IC, meaning less; tells people not to vote without reason, which seems helpful but is really fairly obvious.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

*glances up*

Who are all you strange people? There's some young woman all in green and a little man skipping over the fence....pence....sense....



(I don't like the voting either. Rubbish, I say, rubbish. I'm very confused.)

Again, meaningless IC and dislikes the votes.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Little Lottie is being decidedly halfhearted. Even for Day One. Even for her.


I don't know. Maybe I'm just paranoid. (Again.) But you know what normally happens when everyone thinks I'm paranoid....

I'm just sayin'.


EDIT: x'd since Lottie's....erm, 59, I think?

Oh yeah, I'm being halfhearted. Because, of course, dear Sally's posted so much thoughtful stuffs so far.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

*curls up on your shoulder, promptly falls asleep*

OI! GET YOUR FURRY LITTLE PAWS OFF MY SHIRRIFF!!!

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I obviously need to read closer. What is all this seer nonsense?



Also, glad to see that Lommie agrees with me on Lottie. (Oooo, try saying that ten times fast ten times fast ten times fast ten times fast ten times fast ten times fast ten times fast ten times fast ten times fast ten times fast .) Makes me feel not quite as crazy. And a little sleepy, for that matter....


EDIT: x'd with Legate

Is confused by the seer stuffs; half-jokes about Lommy's suspicion of me.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Sorry, dear, but could you clarify this? Do you mean you have any valid points on her or that she's the only one with valid points? I'm not sure what you mean.

Is confused by Greenie's rationale.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Oh, and I love retractable votes, but I'll just drive myself mad if I have a free pass to mindchanging sitting around. With that....

[*highlight]++Sally

--Sally[/highlight*]


I'm analyzing the votes so far, but please be patient, as I'm really scatterbrained today. That and....well, a nap sounds lovely....and Boro's shoulder is so comfy....

Gets rid of her retractables by voting herself (very cleverly done, btw, doesn't get anyone mad at you and leaves everyone feeling a bit better about you) and...

Get off Boro, please. MY Shirriff. Mine.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

K cool, thanks. I thought that's what she meant, but my brain is a bit....askew today and I didn't want to misunderstand. Thanks for the help! ^_^

Thanks Agan for explaining Greenie's rationale.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Ah, yes, do tell us all your evil plans. Tell us now!

*waits with baited....yes, I actually mean baited....breath*

Half-jokes about Morsul's evility.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I'M NOT IN THE TEA POT, YOU SILLY BUGGER!

asqedwscdecfdecdgfdfgfbgbfgbhtnhnhnyuhmi,m uji,jki,lk,.loo.;loo/l/;?[;/'['[/'

^*scrabbles across the keyboard to get away from mean Glirdan*^

IC posting with Glirdy.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

A note:

I've a friend that's ill and am organizing a bit of "yay let's make the poor girl feel better" stuff. That said, I may or may not be going to a meeting in a couple hours (no, really, I haven't decided if I'm going yet or not) so I may not be around much. I'm working on analyzing the votes between all the other stuff but I don't seem to be able to multitask worth a muffin (<3) today so I'm a bit slow.

Warns that she might not be around.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Agreed. (Wow. We really are all mad here.) I think Lottie's suspicious, but I get sick of Day One lynching her.

And definitely agreed on Morsul. Hypocrites should always be the first to go. *nods sagely, head droops, starts to snore*

Suspects me but doesn't want to Day 1 lynch me; agrees about Morsul being suspicious. This is actually agreeing with Shasta's misreading. Just thought I'd point that out. She's not so much reading and forming impressions that other people are confirming; she's bandwaggoning.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Skippy (hehe!):

Instead of the B in the tag, type highlight. Easy as pie (in your eye). ^_^


EDIT: D'oh. x'd with Noggins, who was also using his noggin.

Explaining technicalities to SS.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Lol. You're great. I'm not entirely sure he's joking though, or at least that he's being completely innocent in said joke. But again, paranoid.

Backs off a bit on Morsul but leaves the option of suspecting him open.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

The Europeans are clearly all evil and must be lynched.

(Really, this is true regardless of their role in the game. )

Is way joking about suspecting the Europeans - funny, considering that I think two of them are her packmates. Joking suspicion = distance. Nice little wolf-on-wolf without being too obvious about it.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I'm quite concerned with Legate's vote. I suspected Lottie before I even registered that people had been poking at her a lot, and he just seems to want to come along for the ride. It's very disconcerting.


Also, my mother called, so now I didn't get to do anything. Rubbish.


I have to vote in like ten minutes too.

Doesn't like Legate's vote. Now this I quite agree with.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Now that was unexpected....

Is alarmed and surprised by Shasta voting for (her packmate?) Greenie. Bit of an overreaction, dear?

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Grar. I want Lottie to live to see another Day, if only one.

[*highlight]++Legate[/highlight*]


For being too excited to lynch Lottie.

Also....for Wilwa....

They're painting their voteses red
They're painting their voteses red
etc.

(I'll do a whole parody if I survive the Night, I swear.)

As poor dead Boro rightly pointed out, if she really wanted me to survive, she wouldn't have done this. Not only is it a throwaway vote, innocent!Sally would have waited until the last possible moment to make her vote count.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

You, my dear, are insane.

But aren't we all!

(Which is to say that the meeting I was at got over superquick and I'm back.)

Jokingly doesn't deny my accusition that she was a wolf. (I believe this is what Nienna was talking about, also, dear - you acknoledge them, but you laugh them all off, and don't take it seriously.) Also says she's back.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Of course you wouldn't, even if I am! Oh, but you should, because you know me far too well and know my secrets.


Also, I totally almost double posted that last post. But I only hit 'submit' once. What the heck?



EDIT: The first line was supposed to say 'secrets', not secret. I corrected the typo, but wanted to let you lot know just in case.

Heh. *is sorry*

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Yes, but she would also therefore be a good asset to the village. And besides, she's super busy, so she can't get up to too many hijinx this game.


I still fault this is egregiously poor reasoning. (And yes, I really just wanted to say egregious.)

Picks on newbieWW, an obvious fall-back for lynching. (Another is Legate, btw. Hmm...who voted him? Oh, right. Glirdy and Sally. Wait a minute! ... )

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Coming from you, that means....next to nothing.


The new kit confuses me very much. Like, very much.

EDIT: x'd since Lottie

Still leaves a WW lynch open, and casts doubt on my denial of guilt.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

You are so very cute when you're flustered. And I still say you're hiding something.

I was hiding something. Now you know what it is, doesn't she, Boro? (Not that it wasn't particularly obvious, in my opinion...we didn't bother to be subtle.)

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

K, so you know you really are paranoid when someone says "We've only had one Night" and you automatically go WOLF!

(No, that's not an accusation. That's me laughing at myself.)

Jokingly not-accuses Izzy.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Oi, I like my tests, thanks very much! They're normally very helpful. I mean yeah, they get me lynched a good portion of the time because no one understand them, but they help the village in the end (most of the time). Besides, they're fun.


Fifteen minutes-ish, yes?

Banter about her tests. I hope you don't run any this game, dear. They may be fun, but they sure are confusing.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Yeah, about that. I thought there might be a chance some other people would go for Legate, which is why I voted for him. My other hunch was Morsul, but I was pretty certain no one would go for that, and the other options at the time (if I remember correctly) were Brinn (erm, what?), winty (newbie pass, admittedly), and Mira (again, what?) so I really had to go with my gut. I didn't expect it to be a throwaway though.

And you have to consider that if Lottie suddenly changed her style, that would be just as suspicious as keeping the style she has now. So really, either way, she's screwed. She may as well have fun.

She says she voted for Legate because she thought people might go for him. Looking for an alternate bandwaggon because mine was looking too worrysome?

Also keeps an evil!Lottie option open.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I would if I thought the other candidates were rubbish. Which they are.

And I said I wouldn't kill Lottie. I didn't say I'd save her. There's a big difference. In fact, if you look back at my posts I think you'll find that I suspect her. Yes, I don't want her dead toDay, but if the choice is her or someone who I don't think is a wolf, I'll happily part company with her. (And as I said, I was hoping there would be continued support for a Legate lynch. I was sadly mistaken.)

Doesn't commit at all to me either way - doesn't want to see me dead but wouldn't really mind, either.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

And your proof is where? I thought not. *pats your head anyway* And I quite like it that way, thanks. Means I get to stick around longer and help the village out. ^_^

Insists I have no proof of a wolf!Sally. Acts quite innocent.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Erm, no I didn't. I'm acknowledging them quite a lot, actually. In between giggles.

Still is treating her wolfness as a joke.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Yes, actually. I'd love to help! Help them out with life. Help them away from death. And most certainly help them out of Glirdan's tea, 'cause I like to take my evening baths in there. Better now?

Bit of "I'm innocent!" banter.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

EVERYONE STAY OUT OF MY TEA!

AND FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE, ENOUGH WITH THE RETRACTIONS!

GOOD GRAVY AND PINEAPPLE TEA, PEOPLE, I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU....


zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

(I'm pretty sure I's gonna cross with the moddess.)

Complains about the (admittedly insane) end-Day retractions.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Lottie just lost the game.



Also, my internet's being rubbish so I'll have a look at stuff tomorrow or so and see if I can work out some more stuff. Well, until then I suppose I'm off. Later!


EDIT: x'd with Nienna.

Grrr. I just lost the game. *pokes you*

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Oh my snap. Really? You've never heard of it?

Converts (maybe) Nienna to Game-playing.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

What she said. Oh, and before I go, what the heck happened at the end of the Day yesterDay? Don't get me wrong, yay dead cobbler, but a dead cobbler is not a dead wolf. Sally demands an....an expla.....explanat....some country.....

Is confused about what happened at end-Day. Basically, dear, you wolves were so close to lynching me that Boro and I had to kill whoever else we could, and Fea happened to be a lucky outcome. Greenie would have been better, but twas so chaotic we were lucky to lynch the cobbler as it was.

~~~

Conclusion: I still think Sally's a wolf, even more so than before. That Legate vote still looks very suspicious.

~~~

Also, edited out all of Silly Sally's smilies because I was very much over the image limit.

EDIT: xed since my last

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

And Boro was a sherriff... which is kind of neutral Not good but he wasn't a seer or anything so that works.

It's not neutral, and it's negative - the Shiriffs talking together can be a powerful thing for the Innocent side. In a way, however, now at least we are sure about Loslote - at least until somebody would make a counter-claim (which would be quite nice, but I don't expect it to happen). Also, it makes perfect sense in the light of her late-yesterDay words like "I am not evil", given the fact that Shiriffs couldn't reveal. I am sure the Wolves have noticed this and also (I have to review yet how the close-to-DL posts went time-wise by timestamps) check the Borovote, if it really saved Lottie, then it must have been obvious. Then the WWs might have been easily thinking "well, Ranger probably would notice this too and would protect Lottie - so let's kill Boro just to be on the safe side!" And maybe there was a chance that some people will still suspect Lottie. So... that's what I think has happened here overNight.

As for Fea being the cobbler, I must say I am happy for the outcome and it seems we were quite lucky. It's not a Wolf, but we don't need to worry about the famous Aganzir's horror scenario, and this is also the only way to be sure and discern a Cobbler from an innocent.

So now I am going to recheck who voted whom and whatnot, and maybe come up with some thoughts. Good that Lottie is making her input, as a known innocent, please continue doing so And btw, no need to weep yet, there is still the possibility that Boro might return from the dead (unless you are targeted and killed at Night, however who knows what the Ranger does...)

And btw, some people yesterDay voiced suspicion about me according to my vote for Lottie, calling it that I jumped on a bandwagon or something, note please that I kept saying that I am going to vote her (and was quite firmly decided to do that) already quite early, and I was the first one to suspect her as far as I am aware (my post where I said it crossposted I think with somebody saying similar suspicion, but that's it). And for that matter, I didn't even realise for quite a long time that Fea's vote was for her as well (as I didn't think about the vote, considering it a "random vote" which, even more likely, is going to be retracted! - cf. Lommy's theory about that Fea cast it only to retract it later. Anyway, I wasn't considering the vote). So my vote was only my vote and that's also why I kept it even with the concern about "easy lynch crowd" (as I said in reply to Nogrod who voiced that concern).

EDIT: x-ed with Nerwen and Lottie