WW LXXV: It's Always Tea Time Here

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

++Greenie

I don't like bandwagons, I don't like lynching Lottie first constantly, I don't see what's so suspicious about her, and I especially don't like votes made apologetically.

Knave out!

Now that was unexpected....

[Isabellkya]

Do you want Loslote to remain around, because you think her more innocent than suspicious, Sally? Or... you'd prefer an innocent to go before your wolfmate?

That wink for your reasoning is ooooooooodd.

What do you mean by spotted, Nog?

Inziladun I find is being more agreeable that previously.

I would not necessarily say that Fea's vote drew a lot of attention and thus was reckless for a wolf. Sure, people discussed it.. but so far two people have voted for her? One which may or may not even count as it was not highlighted.

Why Mira? You said the Loslote voters were more worrying, so how does Mira out worry them?

Glirdan - I always fall under 'submarine'. I might as well get it tattooed on my forehead. xD

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Why Mira? You said the Loslote voters were more worrying, so how does Mira out worry them?

Of the four, I thought Greenie might seem the worst, but then I remembered Nog saying something about her having a very full RL day. Of the remaining two, I just couldn't choose between them.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Of the four, I thought Greenie might seem the worst, but then I remembered Nog saying something about her having a very full RL day. Of the remaining two, I just couldn't choose between them.

I would have preferred it was for Greenie. I've seen Greenie's sympathetic, apologizing votes before and I automatically think...Wolf! Since last time I spotted it she turned out to be one. It's the best I got to go on right now, even though she may be full and could simply not like making a decision on Day 1.

I didn't like Mira's defense for Fea's vote, but they do know eachother quite well, and if that's all I'm wary of...well not going to go that route.

I'm considering keeping my vote for Glirdan, because he seems all to sly and playful. I'm visioning a hyena, which are close enough to wolves.

I don't want to vote Fea, because despite not having any clue about what she would be up to at this point, if she's innocent I do not want her dead this early. However, I will vote for who I must to not get Lottie lynched. Period. The whole reasoning is quite ridiculous.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Suspicious
Zil - he got slightly jumpy over Nogrod's accusations against him (although in his defense I have to say those crusades are painful to withstand). But what really makes me suspicious is how he demonized the threat against Lottie and flip-flopped on which side was more evil, Lottie or the wagon against her, and then ended up voting very weirdly. (Although, the vote was so weird it could even speak in his favour. Wouldn't he just have voted me or Legate if he was a wolf?)

I've already explained why I voted the way I did. I've no intention of staying on the defensive all this Day, as I had to yesterDay.

Originally Posted by me

I was actually thinking DL was now, for some reason, so I was rather rushed. Basically, I didn't (and don't) have much against her, but as I said, the other options didn't seem especially bright either.

Originally Posted by me

Of the four, I thought Greenie might seem the worst, but then I remembered Nog saying something about her having a very full RL day. Of the remaining two, I just couldn't choose between them.

There it is. Do with it what you will.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Now after Lommy's post it made me once again doubt Zil's innocence, returning my somehow bad feeling about him from early yesterDay. For now thinking of it, his action in relation to the Loslote-wagon would seem like a very nice "I-am-a-Wolf, I'll start out of the way but oh look, what those evil people are doing! On the other hand, if you decide all that Lottie is guilty, fine by me, do it, I just want you to lynch somebody else than us Wolves".

I do find this interesting. A very nice bit of latching onto what may be seen as an easy lynch choice for toDay, laying some groundwork. I wasn't fine with Lottie's lynch. Apparently you were, though.

[Morsul the Dark]

I'm Fairly certain I won't be on before DL today so I always suspect Sally however Lotties Post was nicely confirming

++Sally

If I can I MAY have to use my retraction today if I'm back in time.

However Sally is quite smart whether or not I agree with her. I don't think she'd read my sarcasm as anything but, also she says she wanted to try and get me lynched but "no one would go for that" She admits trying to start a Bandwagon.

Have fun I'll Try to be on later.

[Thinlómien]

Zil -

I know you already explained your vote, but it doesn't make it any less weirder.

ps. That was not a very good start on not being defensive toDay.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I've already explained why I voted the way I did. I've no intention of staying on the defensive all this Day, as I had to yesterDay.

Well, for the sake of being slightly ironic, you wouldn't have to be staying on the defensive if you actually were posting something constructive instead of it. (That's actually my overall weird impression of your performance in this game which I had noted already by the early time of yesterDay and that was the first thing that struck me as weird about you this time.) Anyway...

Originally Posted by Inzil

I do find this interesting. A very nice bit of latching onto what may be seen as an easy lynch choice for toDay, laying some groundwork. I wasn't fine with Lottie's lynch. Apparently you were, though.

Of course I was and I have no problem with that. What are you trying to say now - "look, evil Legate is accusing me, who is white as snow, and I didn't want to lynch Lottie of whom we all well know that she's innocent, while he wanted to lynch our poor Lottie, of whom we all know that she's innocent"? And as for you being fine with Lottie's lynch, I never said that you were encouraging it, but you weren't discouraging it very strongly either. E.g.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Hmm. Makes sense, I guess. I might go for Mira in lieu of the Lottie-wagon.
(...)
True, and Lottie could well be a wolf. This train just looks evil to me, though.

That does not sound very "decided" to me. Anyway, the point of what I said about you was not the Lottie part, that was more like an addendum, but the main point of the sentence was that in general, you managed to stay "in the middle" with your behavior. Just like a Wolf who would best profit from letting the village to do the dirty work to actually pick people to lynch, as long as it was a non-Wolf. Your behavior in general looked like that to me - generally flip-flopping up to the point of not taking any initiative of your own.

But whatever, whatever. Please don't make more of what I said than what it was. I am not saying "Inzil MUST BE a Wolf", it was only one thought. However, it would be easy to imagine you as a Wolf - therefore you are on my suspicion list from now on (especially after your reaction now - meaning the thing I quote as second in this post).

EDIT: x-ed with Lommy

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Well, for the sake of being slightly ironic, you wouldn't have to be staying on the defensive if you actually were posting something constructive instead of it. (That's actually my overall weird impression of your performance in this game which I had noted already by the early time of yesterDay and that was the first thing that struck me as weird about you this time.)

Point taken. However, I've been busy RL, and now I'm working with less than 6 hours sleep. But as Lommy said, Nog kept hammering away at one thing that to me should not have been a major issue, and I got caught up in fencing with him over that, to the point that that was all I really had time for yesterDay.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Of course I was and I have no problem with that. What are you trying to say now - "look, evil Legate is accusing me, who is white as snow, and I didn't want to lynch Lottie of whom we all well know that she's innocent, while he wanted to lynch our poor Lottie, of whom we all know that she's innocent"? And as for you being fine with Lottie's lynch, I never said that you were encouraging it, but you weren't discouraging it very strongly either. E.g.

You're twisting things a bit aren't you? When did I say I was 'white as snow'? Your just appeared to me to be jumping wholeheartedly onto what Lommy had said, and it looked opportunistic.
I actually intended to do an analysis of you, but there were too bloody many smilies in your posts for me to feel like hunting down and deleting.
And anyway, my conclusion was that I couldn't really find any evidence of your likely lupinity.

[Nerwen]

So, I have to vote now– I may change it later, but I can't risk missing the DL again.

++Sally

Now, I think that's the third vote on Sallymouse, which I guess makes it officially a bandwagon. However, the fact is, she does currently look to me like the most suspicious person, particularly after I found this little sequence from yesterDay:

#112

Originally Posted by Shasta

Thiiiis vote on Lottie bothers me. Partiiiiiially because it seems like we lynch her first a lot, and partiiiially because the reasoning on the bandwagon isn't superb.

Right now I think Morsul is the most suspicious for his comment about wanting everyone to use up their retractions, but keeping his own.

#113

Originally Posted by Sally

Agreed. (Wow. We really are all mad here.) I think Lottie's suspicious, but I get sick of Day One lynching her.

And definitely agreed on Morsul. Hypocrites should always be the first to go. *nods sagely, head droops, starts to snore*

#121

Originally Posted by Shasta

Whoops. On first glance this looked like Morsul was advocating getting rid of our retractions. Didn't catch the sarcasm, my bad.

#122

Lol. You're great. I'm not entirely sure he's joking though, or at least that he's being completely innocent in said joke. But again, paranoid.

This looks to me a lot like a wolf preparing to leap on an easy victim (or turn on a packmate, whatever), then hastily going into damage control mode when it doesn't work out.

As I said, I do mean to be back before DL, and will retract if Sally makes a sufficiently convincing case for her innocence, or if someone else starts looking worse.

EDIT: Only second vote.
EDIT2: added remark; also, Lottie already picked this, which I hadn't noticed.

EDIT

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

And to rephrase Legate, there is also nothing weird in anyone who went to sleep when only 1/3 of the discussion had taken place being surprised by the recent outcomes. I read the Day when I woke up, but I did it only quickly, knowing that if I'm still alive the next Day, I have to reread it anyway because I want to talk about it. That way it was easy to miss significant stuff between Boro and Lottie (and btw while I can admit you can see there's something, I wouldn't definitely call it obvious even now).

Well, that's fair enough.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Also, when I went to sleep I was certain Fea would come back later and post more sense, as she usually does, so I had no reason to believe her a cobbler, especially as I had a believable excuse for her vote in my head.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

.As for Fea, I have not seen her posting anything Cobbler-ish, unless you count the vote (for which there was other explanation offered by Lommy)

She made an unexplained vote, then turned up eleven hours later and still gave no explanation, just mocking banter. I'm not saying everyone should have said , "Aha! The cobbler!"– it was Fea, after all– but was her role really that surprising?

Originally Posted by Lommy

Zil - he got slightly jumpy over Nogrod's accusations against him (although in his defense I have to say those crusades are painful to withstand). But what really makes me suspicious is how he demonized the threat against Lottie and flip-flopped on which side was more evil, Lottie or the wagon against her, and then ended up voting very weirdly. (Although, the vote was so weird it could even speak in his favour. Wouldn't he just have voted me or Legate if he was a wolf?)

I don't know what to make of Zil's vote. I could see it as either an innocent unable to make up his mind, or a wolf anxious to vote "well", i.e. keep out of a bandwagon on an innocent.

I don't think there's anything in his being jumpy yesterDay* about Nogrod, who was taking a remark totally out of context, and turning a deaf ear to Zil's explanations. Nogrod doesn't come out of that looking very good... however his his last post on the subject makes me think the whole thing may have been a language problem.

Where am I going with this? Nowhere, really. I'm just trying to sort out my thoughts on those two.

*ToDay is another matter.

EDIT: x'd since Zil at 260; edited for clarity.

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Lottie just lost the game.

Wilwa just lost the game.


*goes to work on Boro's epic death scene*

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

She made an unexplained vote, then turned up eleven hours later and still gave no explanation, just mocking banter. I'm not saying everyone should have said , "Aha! The cobbler!"– it was Fea, after all– but was her role really that surprising?

Well at least for me not "surprising", but not foreseen either. That "mocking banter" was just the thing where I expected her to post something substantial later. But anyway not sure if the question makes sense to examine much...

Whatever, I wanted to say: I am now going to see Lommy, so probably not going to be around at least for a number of hours, but I will definitely at least appear before DL and vote, if nothing else.