WW LXXIII: Arkham Asylum: Holding Cells(Game Thread)

[wilwarin538]

Ok, some thoughts.

Durelin's first post today is interesting. She pointed out that Kit was mistaken in saying that Lottie hadn't been on her original list and that she never explained her vote for her, but actually Lottie had been on her list and she did explain her vote for her. Kit, were you perhaps mixing her up with someone else?

Originally Posted by Kit

I find it interesting she cites Pitch as a top suspect.

I think I said I found him a bit off, I didn't really list him as a top suspect. He just seemed a bit touchy about the joking atmosphere, really I don't see anything else wrong with him.

So at this present time I find myself in the situation that I often find myself in. Not having enough suspects. Nog looks good, Pitch looks good, Kit looks good. Izzy and Sally are in my "under the reindeer" category. Dury and Nerwen confuse me, I don't necessarily see them as being suspicious, but I certainly don't trust them either, it's more like I'm having a crazy hard time getting a read on them. Glirdan, well you all know how I feel about him.

So basically at this time he looks worse to me. If I absolutely had to suspect someone else I'd probably go with Dury or Nerwen, since the others I either feel kind of good about or just have nothing at all on them, while these two I'm more on the fence.

Question: was it ever clarified whether there would be a secret role or not? I remember Morsul mentioning at some point that it was possible, but I can't remember if he ever confirmed...

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Durelin's first post today is interesting. She pointed out that Kit was mistaken in saying that Lottie hadn't been on her original list and that she never explained her vote for her, but actually Lottie had been on her list and she did explain her vote for her. Kit, were you perhaps mixing her up with someone else?

This was a mistake on my part. I was focusing on vote posts pretty exclusively and in Durelin's vote post there didn't seem to be much of a reason. When Durelin pointed out my folly I went back to read her posts and realized I'd made a mistake.

[Isabellkya]

I do not think that people should be excused for their votes because they may not of played with someone previously. All games are open to be read and viewed by non-playing and playing participants alike. Each player is new to the game once, and thusly can be treated like a new player - but they are not given a free pass from lynchings and Night Kills.

Perhaps the wolves were thinking that the Cobbler was still cursed.

I believe on the post where Morsul said what the roles would be before he sent them, he stated their "might" be a Secret role. The actual word was 'maybe', but it did not fit in that sentence cohesively

Yes, that is a point Pitch; however we are playing Werewolf here, where the tools involve manipulating and deceit - especially for the nefarious side.

I had not expected a vote for Loslote from Glirdan, Nog. It appeared bandwagony to me, which is why I had asked if there were retractions.

@ Nog.
98% of the time I am labeled as a submarine, under-the-radar player. Last game you said that I was "careful", I do recall you being a wolf then. Repeat performance?


Nerwen - I now think of her in terms of the other Loslote voters, and I believe there to be atleast one wolf amongst us. Knowing it is not I. There are the other four. I have a bad gut feeling, that Nerwen was holding on to her vote to see where things went - and it involved finagling of players. Hard to describe it, but when Durelin cast her vote for Loslote yesterday, it made me question a Loslote vote in my head, but I placed it anyhow. Then when I saw Glirdan vote for Loslote. Summation: Bad gut feeling.

Sally - I do not like how she has said some things and insinuated others. Especially given her previous statements and her voting of Kitanna in relation.


Wilwa - I had been thinking that Boro's behavior and vote from yesterday could of been an attempt at a signal to the wolves? "Wilwa is going to vote for me (if she is a wolf, she will.) Then she votes for him (I see you Cobbler.) Then Boro votes her in return, as he predicted (I see that you see me.) But no. I do not like her interactions with Glirdan; she seemed to be asking him to say or do something suspicious, so she could suspect him - and then use metagame to say he was innocent.

Pitch - I do not like how he wanted to give Durelin and Kitanna excused passes for their votes yesterday. Could he be wolfmate to one of them? His defense of Loslote as well struck me as odd, his certainty. There are very little certainties of information in werewolf, and this game - only the Wolves can be certain.

Glirdan - I do not like his bandwagon vote of yesterday.

Kitanna - I do not see the nefarious attributes that others do.

Izzyl - me

Nogrod - I do not like how he insinuated that I feigned crossposting with Glirdan. That is just dirty play. The majority of my reason to suspect him are meta-game, soo..

X'd with Durelin.

[Isabellkya]

Pssst Morsul, Durelin was left off of the player list.

Durelin - I really do not know what to think about her. My gut says middle-nefarious.

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Isabel

My gut says middle-nefarious.

That's chaotic evil to you, Ms.!

I don't like how Nogrod decided I was apparently innocent all of a sudden and started actually...quoting me and re-iterating things I've said about people. Well, he did it twice. That's...more than once.

I have no idea about Glirdan. And I have no idea who to vote for.

Isabel - the way I saw Pitch's giving of free passes was that really he meant it as a 'i of course knew Loslote was innocent, but these other peoples well...maybe they're problem is that they don't know her like I do...'

So it still bothers me.

I forget what else I was going to say bc I have someone talking in my ear...

[Isabellkya]

I was going to say neutral-nefarious. But neutral implies neither side, so I changed it to middle.

[Durelin]

Let's change things up.

Sally or Nogrod? Both are bothering me, both seem opportunistic. I don't like the tactics (for lack of a better word) they are using for their choosing who to suspect and who to deem probably innocent. They seem calculated. Funny I'm lumping those two together...

As I said, I have someone talking in my ear...

++Sally (satansaloser2005)

[Isabellkya]

My gut is saying pretty much everyone toDay, and I do not think I ate anything rotten.

+Durelin

[Nerwen]

So, I'm running out of time here. Out of the people who already have votes, I'll go for

++Sally.

Not liking Glirdan either, but she's started looking even creepier lately.

EDIT:X'd with Izzy.

[Morsul the Dark]

Deadline counting votes and making narration

[Morsul the Dark]

"Glirdan my boy!" Joker ushered Glirdan into a seat. "You're our lucky Winner! Too bad you're a Whack-a-Doodle.... You know what that kind of sounds like a fun game!" Joker reached for a baseball bat.

Batman looked on in disgust as Joker beat the poor patient to death for no other reason than to entertain himself. Blood oozed from Glirdan mouth and nose as it pooled on the floor from his wounds. Only by the mercy of chance was the horrid site blocked as blood splattered the camera.

"Don't worry Bats your turn soon.... I Promise"

Amongst the Living

Nerwen
Sally
Wilwa
Pitch
Kitanna
Isabel
Nogrod

Dead...Dead....Dead!!
Boro-Two Face
Glirdan-Ordo Patient
Loslote-Ordo Guard

[Morsul the Dark]

The living(If you call it that)

Nerwen
Wilwa
Kitanna
Isabel
Nogrod
Durelin

Dead...Dead....Dead!
Pitch-Ordo Patient
Boro-Two Face
Glirdan-Ordo Patient
Loslote-Ordo Guard
Sally-Ordo Guard

[satansaloser2005]

I don't mean to complain, Morsul dear, but could you possibly list the dead in the order that they died from now on? I got so confused when I logged on to find Lottie apparently dead a second time.



Alas, poor Pitch, I thought he was innocent.


I'm very tired but I'll make some fancy conjectures and things later, when I'm more likely to make sense. Until then, good night.

[satansaloser2005]

No posts? Really? Sadness. Ah, well, a list then before I actually fall asleep.


So as a note, I made this list without the benefit of my internet; that way I can just pop on and post it later. With that in mind, please forgive the lack of actual evidence evidence; I’ll do some analyses later but right now I just am being lazy. Or, as Boro would say (maybe lol) if he were here and not semi-evil: I simpwy can’t be bovvered to twy anyfing at vis time.

Sally: Clearly innocent as the snow that’s melting in my backyard.

Nerwen: Her tone and overall Nerwen-ness just leads me to believe she’s guilty, and she’s trying to discredit me which makes me think I’m on the right track. It’s possible I’m paranoid, but of course each time I think I’m paranoid about her I turn out to be exactly correct. Thus, I say she’s a wolf until proven innocent.

Wilwa: I’m still leaning guilty, but the majority of my feelings were based on her first Day posts so I’m willing to let her go for right now. She’s still in suspicion for me though; I just consider Nerwen to be both less of a risk and more of a priority. Besides, if Nerwen’s a wolf, I’m pretty sure Wilwa will turn out to be her partner.

Durelin: Sillier than usual? And yet not? I’m confused. I need to take a good, solid look at her and decide what I think, as I keep changing my mind.

Izzy: I’d like to tell you all a very personal story about my dearly departed grandmother. One day, around the holidays, she went out to the local pharmacy, as she’d run out of her heart pills and needed to refill her prescription. She never came back, and I’ll never forget the look on my grandfather’s face when they buried her. I’ve no idea what happened, but we weren’t allowed to see Santa at the mall ever again. (All of which to say that Izzy’s playing Rudolph. I don’t know if it’s intentional or not, as she may be busy, but even when she does post I find myself forgetting what she’s said, or that she’s said anything at all. Disconcerting? Ya think?) All in all I need to watch her, but I’m probably going to be unwilling to vote for her toDay.

Nog: He’s another that I’m taking for granted. I seem to be agreeing with him a lot, though, and for Nog and I to do that he either is majorly screwing with me or he’s innocent; we generally don’t agree on a whole lot. *snuggles him, gives him a cookie* At this point I’m still leaning toward innocence in his case, and I’m fairly comfortable with that (at least for the time being) so unless he does something really outlandishly stupid I won’t vote for him either.

Kit: Still suspicious of her based on the way she’s acted, but considering how sure I am about Nerwen I’m not entirely sure she can be a wolf, as I’m picking up no buddy vibes (for lack of a better word) between them. Of course a good wolf leaves absolutely no trace of her packmates, but....I don’t know. I need to look at interactions between Kit and others and decide where she fits in the grand scheme of grand and wolf hunting. If I’m wrong about Nerwen, however, I’m going to be insanely certain that Kit is a wolf.


So basically I’m picking up a few ideas for wolf packs, just based on me remembering what I’d seen yesterDay and the Day before. Some of them are very unlikely, while others just make too much sense to be the case. Then again, isn’t that the way a good wolf pack should be?

Wilwa/Nerwen
Wilwa/Durelin (just a hunch and a gut, really, nothing to base it off of)
Kit/Izzy (would be good for a wolf like Kit to have a quiet partner)
Nog/Durelin (we would so be screwed, no joke)
Nog/Nerwen (ah, a crafty team indeed, and if Nog was a wolf it would make sense)
Nerwen/Izzy (again with the quiet partner, and I just sense a vibe thing between them)
Wilwa/Kit (very possible, though I’d need to investigate it more)
Durelin/Kit (an unlikely pairing, but lack of likelihood based on their behavior makes me think)
Sally/Fea (Clearly the evil ones. Let’s lynch them straightaway!)

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Nerwen: Her tone and overall Nerwen-ness just leads me to believe she’s guilty, and she’s trying to discredit me which makes me think I’m on the right track. It’s possible I’m paranoid, but of course each time I think I’m paranoid about her I turn out to be exactly correct. Thus, I say she’s a wolf until proven innocent.

That's nice, Sally. Do you ever plan to make a genuine case against me, or indeed anyone? Or is it going to remain, "Just, you know, feels evil... *shrug*"

And why am I back at the top of your suspicion-list toDay? Why did you switch from me to Kit yesterDay, and now back again? Well?

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I don't mean to complain, Morsul dear, but could you possibly list the dead in the order that they died from now on? I got so confused when I logged on to find Lottie apparently dead a second time.

Ahh but If you read the Narration you'd know who had died.... I mean there's only maybe what? 5 lines Hardly long winded don't you think

[wilwarin538]

Pitch? I suppose it makes sense, I know more then one person commented on how he was acting a bit differently this game so he could have been seen as a possible Batman.

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

I don't get your Rudolph reference. Rudolph had a red nose, how can one forget Rudolph? He has his own song.

Sally said that she thought you had a role, and if you did, she knew what you were. Which there are two known roles left in the game, so.. since she did not vote for you, that leaves one known role. Which if it were true would be a silly thing for her to say. So, I think it a bunch of bologna. I don't like bologna, it is the equivalent of a pancaked hotdog. You could insert the almost obligatory "why did you point it out"; well It was pretty obvious, and I doubt the wolves are thaaat daft.

*giggles at first line and doesn't like bologna either*

See my bolded and underlined parts, nice little pattern going on here:

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Sally: Clearly innocent as the snow that’s melting in my backyard.

Nerwen: Her tone and overall Nerwen-ness just leads me to believe she’s guilty, and she’s trying to discredit me which makes me think I’m on the right track. It’s possible I’m paranoid, but of course each time I think I’m paranoid about her I turn out to be exactly correct. Thus, I say she’s a wolf until proven innocent.

Wilwa: I’m still leaning guilty, but the majority of my feelings were based on her first Day posts so I’m willing to let her go for right now. She’s still in suspicion for me though; I just consider Nerwen to be both less of a risk and more of a priority. Besides, if Nerwen’s a wolf, I’m pretty sure Wilwa will turn out to be her partner.

Durelin: Sillier than usual? And yet not? I’m confused. I need to take a good, solid look at her and decide what I think, as I keep changing my mind.

Izzy: I’d like to tell you all a very personal story about my dearly departed grandmother. One day, around the holidays, she went out to the local pharmacy, as she’d run out of her heart pills and needed to refill her prescription. She never came back, and I’ll never forget the look on my grandfather’s face when they buried her. I’ve no idea what happened, but we weren’t allowed to see Santa at the mall ever again. (All of which to say that Izzy’s playing Rudolph. I don’t know if it’s intentional or not, as she may be busy, but even when she does post I find myself forgetting what she’s said, or that she’s said anything at all. Disconcerting? Ya think?) All in all I need to watch her, but I’m probably going to be unwilling to vote for her toDay.

Nog: He’s another that I’m taking for granted. I seem to be agreeing with him a lot, though, and for Nog and I to do that he either is majorly screwing with me or he’s innocent; we generally don’t agree on a whole lot. *snuggles him, gives him a cookie* At this point I’m still leaning toward innocence in his case, and I’m fairly comfortable with that (at least for the time being) so unless he does something really outlandishly stupid I won’t vote for him either.

Kit: Still suspicious of her based on the way she’s acted, but considering how sure I am about Nerwen I’m not entirely sure she can be a wolf, as I’m picking up no buddy vibes (for lack of a better word) between them. Of course a good wolf leaves absolutely no trace of her packmates, but....I don’t know. I need to look at interactions between Kit and others and decide where she fits in the grand scheme of grand and wolf hunting. If I’m wrong about Nerwen, however, I’m going to be insanely certain that Kit is a wolf.

Ok. So the reason I bolded some bits are because for many people she says "I need to look at" or "I need to watch". The reason this bothers me is because it's Day 3. People saying such things on Day 1 makes sense, because it's like you're laying out who you plan to watch on the other days, but by Day 3 you should have been able to make enough observations to substantiate stuff. Obviously everyone keeps watching people and says that here and there, but I just don't like how much she's saying it for so many people, like she doesn't have a case but she's assuring us that's she's working on getting one. The highlighted bits are all of the "I feel" and "I sense" bits. I know she's just going off by memory when she posted this. But still, it seems that's always her reason.

I don't know. I find myself still feeling quite good about Nog and Kit. Nerwen and Izzy are still not doing anything I find overly suspicious, while at the same time not doing anything I find totally trust worthy, so I'm neutral there for now. Dury and Sally are the ones that I haven't completely understood the whole game and by now I just feel they should be a bit more solid, though Dury was not quite as mysterious yesterDay as she had been the Days before.

Originally Posted by Durelin yesterDay

I'm kinda not caring about Glirdan or Wilwa (except for her last post, esp. her first lines which make no sense...I need to go back and look)

Yes, the part where I had mentioned that one post of yours and then asked Kit if she had gotten you mixed up with someone else. I had somehow missed her post right after yours where she had explained it, so really I was trying to get clarification for something that had already been clarified. My mistake.