WW LXXIII: Arkham Asylum: Holding Cells(Game Thread)

[satansaloser2005]

Do we seriously have six votes for six different people? You've got to be kidding me....

[Glirdan]

Don't worry, Sally, currently in the midst of going through ALL the posts and trying to come up with an informed decision...Hard to do when you've missed more then half the Day

[satansaloser2005]

Gah. I'm really quite tired and have things I want to do before I go to bed, so....

++Wilwa

For the feelings I expressed earlier. If I'm overruled on this fine, but I'm going to go with my gut. And then I'm going to go to bed.

[satansaloser2005]

Aaaand that's your Daily dose of Sally. If I'm needed I think a good third of you have my number and I can come back if necessary. Now good night!


ETA: x'd with Nerwen

[Morsul the Dark]

"The People Have Spoken... Our first candidate to play a little game with me is LOSLOTE!" Two henchmen came to her room and dragged her out of the hall. A few moments passed then she appeared on screen with the Joker. "Ah Lottie Lottie Lottie. Do you like games? Here's one of my favorites." Joker pulled a monopoly box from under his chair. "Would you like to play?"

Frightened Loslote nodded slowly unsure what was happening.

"Oh look a get of jail free card. That's always helpful. Tell you what I'm feeling charitable have this card. I'll let you use it for real. Like The Monopoly man you'll fly away from here. Sound good?"

Loslote began to weep overjoyed that she would live.

"Alright then if your going to fly out of here you'll need wings!HEHEHAHAHA" The two henchmen grabbed here slamming her face down on the table Joker Took a staple gun and began painfully attached a pair of costume wings up and down her back. "Fly little bird Fly HAHAAHAHA!"

With that Loslote was sent through the window a camera from the security room caught the poor young woman plummet into the ocean....dead.


Night Folk do your thing

Alive(For Now)
Nerwen
Sally
Wilwa
Pitch
Glirdan
Boro
Kitanna
Isabel
Nogrod

DEAD
Loslote-Ordo-Guard

[Morsul the Dark]

Two-Face flipped his coin... Heads He decided to venture into the hall. Looking left and right he couldn't decide He once again flipped his life became dependent on the coin. It was his entire thought process his conscience. He was useless without it.

He took a few steps before hearing the growl behind him. There was no way the ring had betrayed him. He turned and faced the monstrosity know as Croc. Croc ate human flesh the jury was out wether or not it could be called Cannibalism or not. "HEHEHE.... I like Dark Meat mmmm" Two-Face couldn't decide whether to run or Fight. Before the coin hit the floor his body was already torn in half. The Human side left bleeding out across the floor as a trail followed Croc eating as he went.

The sun had rose. And Hopes had risen the wretched Boro, Two-Face was gone.

Alive(For Now)
Nerwen
Sally
Wilwa
Pitch
Glirdan
Kitanna
Isabel
Nogrod

DEAD
Loslote-Ordo-Guard
Boro- Two-Face(Cobbler)

[Kitanna]

Boro as the victim? Erm...I'll get into that later. First off I'll like to go over the votes from yesterday.

Me: voted Loslote for her overly agreeable nature toward Glirdan's comment about Boro hinting.
Pitch: stated it was a shot in the dark and voted Durelin, saying we'd listen if she'd say more.
Nogrod: voted Pitch, didn't really give a reason in the vote post (I'll dig it up later I suppose)
Wilwa: voted Boro on the basis of his defense toward his first post. At one point she states his first wasn't what raised her suspicions, but it was his defense of it.
Loslote: votes Nerwen

No, I think it's suspicious that Nerwen's saying "Oh I'm soooo evil! Haha isn't it hilarious???" and Wilwa's playing along. I doubt if they're both wolves, but I'm pretty sure one is. I think it's Nerwen.

Boro: votes Wilwa, though he admits to having nothing
Sally: votes Wilwa, feeling her tone is off. "too unreal to be innocent"
Durelin: votes Loslote, not entirely sure why. Loslote wasn't in her pairing group from her earlier posts and she's not mentioned in her explanation post either.
Glirdan: votes Loslote as well. Comments on her jumping onto the hinting joke he had made in regards to Boro's first post.
Isabellkya: voted Loslote. Seemed to be more interested in Nerwen or Boro as a baddie though, at least that's how I read it.
Nerwen: voted Loslote thinking maybe she was a cobbler.

So...who looks the worst?
I'm assuming I'll be looked at because I cast the first vote for Loslote.
But I think Durelin, Glirdan, and Wilwa to some extent look the worst.
Durelin: She pairs off some possible wolves, but doesn't mention Loslote and yet still ends up casting her vote for her. Now Durelin has said she's busy and can't contribute much, so does her lack of explanation have to do with lack of time or something more sinister?
Glirdan: His vote breaks the Wilwa-Loslote tie bringing Lottie's vote count to 3 while Wilwa's is 2.
Wilwa: her vote for Boro is suspect because he died. It's probably too early for a daring bluff of having a wolf vote for that night's victim, but I wouldn't put it past wolf-Wilwa.

I was inclined to include Isabellkya because of her Lottie vote, but I don't find it overly suspicious right now. I'll be taking a closer look at posts after some sleep so this opinion is inclined to change. For now the three listed above look the most suspicious to me based on their votes.

[Durelin]

Oh that's hilarious!

Also hilarious:

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Durelin: votes Loslote, not entirely sure why. Loslote wasn't in her pairing group from her earlier posts and she's not mentioned in her explanation post either.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

She pairs off some possible wolves, but doesn't mention Loslote and yet still ends up casting her vote for her. Now Durelin has said she's busy and can't contribute much, so does her lack of explanation have to do with lack of time or something more sinister?

More quotes!!

Originally Posted by Me

Wolves - Round 1

Nogrod
Loslote

Originally Posted by Me

Loslote is annoyingly agree-able and like 'im going to be helpful!' But so is Sally.

P.S. - I also don't care to contribute much.

[Durelin]

Btw, forgive me my sillyness.

*gives everyone cookies before she scuttles off*

I don't care if you think I'm furry or not, I just don't want you to hate me. <3

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Durelin

Hax! I was rushed and focused on Nogrod, Glirdan and myself when I was rereading. I strike my earlier comments about Durelin from the records because I'm stupid and clearly unable to read.

[Isabellkya]

Haha.
The Cobbler as the First Night kill choice.
I am not sure you can get better, save for a wolf killing themselves I suppose.

[Kitanna]

After some wonderful sleep I'm back and plan to look into those I listed as my top suspects earlier.

Glirdan:
Post 1:

Okay, so Boro is a Wolf because he talked about a student killing Batman in a picture, and had first post, and I just plain think he's going to be no help on this camping trip. Sure, he's good at cleaning and cooking, but we're in the middle of the Sahara Dessert with no bathroom in sight!

This is what started the whole discussion of Boro hinting at something. This looks to be pretty much in-game banter. The same goes with his remarks toward Durelin in the same post. He lists Wilwa as a wolf based on principle.
Post 2:

And I think Lottie and Nerwen are reading into this whole first post thing a little too much. Starting to unnerve me and if they don't stop I'm going to go and tell mom!!

Mentions Lottie and Nerwen because of how they have responded to his in-game banter against Boro.
Post 3: Nothing of substance, just a "hi, I'm back post"
Post 4: Another of the same, stating he's trying to come up with an informed decision.
Post 5:

So one thing I'm noticing right off the bat here is the constant Lottie versus Nerwen posts. Really eyebrow raising for me. Perhaps Wolf on Wolf? However, I do not believe that either of them would be that blatant about it. Yet we cannot count out the fact that they might like us to think this way and thus avoid detection....Hmm.....

Again makes mention of Lottie and Nerwen as a possible pair.
In this post he also responds to Boro's frustration at having his joke post picked apart. Yet he does nothing but defend his own joke post about Boro possibly hinting. Also he says once more he doesn't trust Wilwa, he says it with a smile so clearly she's not a real suspect to him.
He highlights a post by Pitch that breaks apart the Boro-hint posts thus far. Calls it a bandwagon.
Quotes one of Lottie's posts and accuses Nerwen and Lottie of being wolves.
Then he goes after Wilwa.

The fact that this is the second time that she said this unsettles me. Her and Nog are usually at each other's throats....Hmmm.....And after reading all of these points brought up about her constant "We have enough time" schpeals, I'm really actually starting to question her motives.

He turns his attention that has been consistently on Nerwen and Lottie to Wilwa who until now has been nothing more than a running joke "I don't trust you on principle, haha." I find it odd that he continually accuses Wilwa (not seriously of course), but questions her motives in regards to Nogrod when she is not doing anything toward Nogrod that he's not doing toward her.

This post makes me leary. I am still quite adamant that she is no ordinary villager...but this makes me lean towards her being a Cobbler and not a Wolf...Thanks for possibly shooting a hole in my Wolf on Wolf theory.

Now the post of Nerwen's he comments on suggests two wolves will distant themselves so as not to leave a line to the other so early. It seems to me he abandons his thoughts of Nerwen as a wolf based on this. Why should she be the cobbler and not the wolf? Why couldn't it be Lottie who was the cobbler in his mind?

Okay, these two posts make me uneasy, but more of "Look at me, I'm the Cobbler" sort of way. No explanation of any sorts from the first post and the second just seems like a "I'm going to just be a menace and make no sense but try to seem helpful" kinda thing...Or maybe that's the delirium again.

This is in regards to Durelin.
Next he goes after Wilwa again saying she's doing a 180 on Boro. To me it doesn't look like she is and rather he's twisting her meaning.

Too obvious to be an outright Wolf confession....and perhaps even a little too outright as a Cobbler...But something just isn't sitting right with me when I see her posts.

Shenanigans.

Suspect
Wilwa
Nerwen
Dury
Lottie

Is this list in order of top suspects? If so Lottie is at the bottom and Wilwa is his top suspect. If not then, well call me Stumpy because I don't have a leg to stand on with this particular post.
Post 6: Votes Lottie

Haven't been trusting her since the start of the game after she jumped on the bandwagon after my bantering comment about Boro and everything else that has been said toDay just made me trust her less.

He had been suspecting her throughout, but in the post before this he seemed to be making a case for Wilwa. Interesting.

I'm moving him to the top of the list because he pushed Lottie out of the tie with Wilwa. Now I have a few theories on this.
Wolf-Wolf: Glirdan and Wilwa are both wolves. Glirdan changed his tune about Nerwen when she stated wolves wouldn't be interacting too much so soon. This could be a plan to say "hey look, I wouldn't have gone after Wilwa on Day 1 as a wolf" should Wilwa die and be shown a wolf. If they're both wolves it would explain why he broke the tie when it seemed like he wanted to vote Wilwa.
Glirdan Wolf- Wilwa Innocent: Glirdan kills Boro at night in the hopes it will make Wilwa look bad today. Obviously Wilwa had just enough suspicion to garner two votes yesterday and Glirdan thinks he can use it to his advantage.

I feel like Glirdan's interaction with Wilwa and his vote for Lottie (vote placement especially) are too neat and tidy. RL is taking him away from posting much, but when he does post the conclusions he comes to are not right to me.

x-post with Nogrod and Pitch

[Kitanna]

Wilwa:
Post 1: Her "ra-ra, go village" post. This optimism seems to have struck a chord with some. Honestly, that isn't that odd to me.
Post 2: Doesn't trust Glirdan on principle, like he doesn't trust her. Banter, banter, banter.
Post 3: Says she doesn't see Boro's "hinting" post as suspicious. Is back and forth on if it's a hint or not, but states she's more concerned with catching wolves not cobblers.
Post 4: Reaffirms not being suspicious of Boro amongst banter.
Post 5: Banter
Post 6: Muffin vs. cupcake, the final battle
Post 7:

I think this is also more likely. Every Day 1 there has to be atleast one person who jokingly says they're for the wolves/are a wolf, when they likely are not, just to joke around and stir the pot and whatnot.

Post 8: Defends Boro's reaction in regards to his post being scrutinized. Defends her optimism from her very first post.
Post 9: Comments on Nerwen's plan of asking everyone how they would act if they were wolves.
Post 10: Nothing of real substance.
Post 11: Comments that lottie's original post suggesting taking hints with a grain of salt weren't troubling, but the more she posted on the matter the more uncomfortable Wilwa was made.

Boro's first post, I don't see anything wrong with it, just a fun story he wanted to share. But afterwards he defended it, then again, then just some little comments here and there and not really much more than that. So I find he spent too much time focusing on something that was not really that big of a deal, and really it's not like someone was gonna vote him just for that, so it didn't really merit the defence. Just seems like he could have said something more pertinent.

This is one of the quotes Glirdan claimed Wilwa was doing a 180 on Boro. She's pretty against him here. However earlier she had defended Boro's defense of himself. But like Lottie's initial post about hinting she changes her mind the more Boro goes on about it.
Comments that pitch is touchy about the silly aspect of the gaming atmosphere. She continues on about the different between jokes and serious. Mostly in regards to Nerwen's "go wolves" comment.

I just find that people are looking at the wrong stuff. We look at votes once we have them, we look at interactions between people, we look at peoples' reactions and suspicions and who they trust, and their contributions and such. We should not be looking at random Day 1 in character banter, or stories about our students or clowns. Just seems like grasping at straws to me.

Some real sense amongst all her silly banter.

So Pitch and Lottie do look a bit off to me, but I think Boro is the worst.

I find it interesting she cites Pitch as a top suspect. Mostly because earlier in this post she says:

Pitch, seems ok I guess

Post 12: Votes for Boro because her aforementioned things. Also she doesn't like that he's voting for her if she votes for him.

From yesterday's posts there's nothing that is overwhelmingly suspicious to me. Wilwa provides a good blend of silly and serious for Day 1. Though she raises my eyebrows because of how she goes from defense to attack (for Boro and Lottie specifically), but it doesn't feel sinister to me. I'm not inclined to trust Wilwa just yet, but I'll be moving my suspicions to the back-burner at present.

[wilwarin538]

Ok, some thoughts.

Durelin's first post today is interesting. She pointed out that Kit was mistaken in saying that Lottie hadn't been on her original list and that she never explained her vote for her, but actually Lottie had been on her list and she did explain her vote for her. Kit, were you perhaps mixing her up with someone else?

Originally Posted by Kit

I find it interesting she cites Pitch as a top suspect.

I think I said I found him a bit off, I didn't really list him as a top suspect. He just seemed a bit touchy about the joking atmosphere, really I don't see anything else wrong with him.

So at this present time I find myself in the situation that I often find myself in. Not having enough suspects. Nog looks good, Pitch looks good, Kit looks good. Izzy and Sally are in my "under the reindeer" category. Dury and Nerwen confuse me, I don't necessarily see them as being suspicious, but I certainly don't trust them either, it's more like I'm having a crazy hard time getting a read on them. Glirdan, well you all know how I feel about him.

So basically at this time he looks worse to me. If I absolutely had to suspect someone else I'd probably go with Dury or Nerwen, since the others I either feel kind of good about or just have nothing at all on them, while these two I'm more on the fence.

Question: was it ever clarified whether there would be a secret role or not? I remember Morsul mentioning at some point that it was possible, but I can't remember if he ever confirmed...

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Durelin's first post today is interesting. She pointed out that Kit was mistaken in saying that Lottie hadn't been on her original list and that she never explained her vote for her, but actually Lottie had been on her list and she did explain her vote for her. Kit, were you perhaps mixing her up with someone else?

This was a mistake on my part. I was focusing on vote posts pretty exclusively and in Durelin's vote post there didn't seem to be much of a reason. When Durelin pointed out my folly I went back to read her posts and realized I'd made a mistake.

[Isabellkya]

I do not think that people should be excused for their votes because they may not of played with someone previously. All games are open to be read and viewed by non-playing and playing participants alike. Each player is new to the game once, and thusly can be treated like a new player - but they are not given a free pass from lynchings and Night Kills.

Perhaps the wolves were thinking that the Cobbler was still cursed.

I believe on the post where Morsul said what the roles would be before he sent them, he stated their "might" be a Secret role. The actual word was 'maybe', but it did not fit in that sentence cohesively

Yes, that is a point Pitch; however we are playing Werewolf here, where the tools involve manipulating and deceit - especially for the nefarious side.

I had not expected a vote for Loslote from Glirdan, Nog. It appeared bandwagony to me, which is why I had asked if there were retractions.

@ Nog.
98% of the time I am labeled as a submarine, under-the-radar player. Last game you said that I was "careful", I do recall you being a wolf then. Repeat performance?


Nerwen - I now think of her in terms of the other Loslote voters, and I believe there to be atleast one wolf amongst us. Knowing it is not I. There are the other four. I have a bad gut feeling, that Nerwen was holding on to her vote to see where things went - and it involved finagling of players. Hard to describe it, but when Durelin cast her vote for Loslote yesterday, it made me question a Loslote vote in my head, but I placed it anyhow. Then when I saw Glirdan vote for Loslote. Summation: Bad gut feeling.

Sally - I do not like how she has said some things and insinuated others. Especially given her previous statements and her voting of Kitanna in relation.


Wilwa - I had been thinking that Boro's behavior and vote from yesterday could of been an attempt at a signal to the wolves? "Wilwa is going to vote for me (if she is a wolf, she will.) Then she votes for him (I see you Cobbler.) Then Boro votes her in return, as he predicted (I see that you see me.) But no. I do not like her interactions with Glirdan; she seemed to be asking him to say or do something suspicious, so she could suspect him - and then use metagame to say he was innocent.

Pitch - I do not like how he wanted to give Durelin and Kitanna excused passes for their votes yesterday. Could he be wolfmate to one of them? His defense of Loslote as well struck me as odd, his certainty. There are very little certainties of information in werewolf, and this game - only the Wolves can be certain.

Glirdan - I do not like his bandwagon vote of yesterday.

Kitanna - I do not see the nefarious attributes that others do.

Izzyl - me

Nogrod - I do not like how he insinuated that I feigned crossposting with Glirdan. That is just dirty play. The majority of my reason to suspect him are meta-game, soo..

X'd with Durelin.

[Morsul the Dark]

"Glirdan my boy!" Joker ushered Glirdan into a seat. "You're our lucky Winner! Too bad you're a Whack-a-Doodle.... You know what that kind of sounds like a fun game!" Joker reached for a baseball bat.

Batman looked on in disgust as Joker beat the poor patient to death for no other reason than to entertain himself. Blood oozed from Glirdan mouth and nose as it pooled on the floor from his wounds. Only by the mercy of chance was the horrid site blocked as blood splattered the camera.

"Don't worry Bats your turn soon.... I Promise"

Amongst the Living

Nerwen
Sally
Wilwa
Pitch
Kitanna
Isabel
Nogrod

Dead...Dead....Dead!!
Boro-Two Face
Glirdan-Ordo Patient
Loslote-Ordo Guard

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Nog

Anyway, when I came back to the computer and read your analysis of how the Boro-suspicion was born and how it developed it looked to me (on the basis of your analysis) that Nerwen was being the proponent who nicely drove the discussion towards Boro

That may have been in the eye of the beholder, or it may be a case of brevity distorting what I meant to say. Nerwen's part in the Boro discussion wasn't what I found suspicious about her, as most if not all of it was comments on Lottie's posts; I thought that would be clear from the analysis, but obviously it wasn't.
I suppose I could claim in turn that your constant harping on Nerwen's mad wolf cheer fuelled my suspicion, but to be fair, I remembered it myself. Let's just use our own minds and not follow leaders, OK?

Izzy - the way you explain it, I suppose it makes sense. But

Originally Posted by Izzy

Perhaps you are on the wrong side of the village to appreciate not having a cobbler around any longer.

Go back to #146 and read my second and third sentence again. Do not pass Go.

(EDIT: pedantic bolding)

[Pitchwife]

More on Glirdan: I agree that he was twisting wilwa's position about Boro, and while that could be explained (if not excused) by assuming that he skimmed over the thread in a haste with no time to read properly (RL time constraints and all that), taken together with his critical vote for Lottie it does look suspicious.
And I don't really know why, but his whole reaction to the Boro-discussion still just doesn't feel right to me. Now I've got this little hypothetical scenario in the back of my head which I'm gonna put out there for you to tell me if it makes any sense or shoot it down if it doesn't:
- Glirdan jokes that Boro is evil because of his first post
- finds that Lottie is taking his joke seriously and interpreting it as a possible cobbler-hint by Boro; and (assuming for the purpose of this little story that he's a wolf) realizes, "Gosh, she may be right! What have I done?"
- attempts some damage control by attacking Lottie (and Nerwen) for taking him seriously and starting what he calls a bandwagon against Boro
- attacks wilwa because she turned from defending Boro to suspecting and voting him
- votes Lottie because she started the whole wretched affair, and maybe also because it looks less like an open support for Boro than following up on his alleged suspicion of wilwa.
What doesn't seem to fit this scenario is the Night-kill, obviously; except if the wolves
- decided that Boro had already attracted too much attention to do them much good as a cobbler,
- tried to frame wilwa,
- knowingly killed the cobbler because they thought we'd think they never would.
Truly and honestly, I don't know if that makes any sense. You tell me.


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[wilwarin538]

I have to head out to work now, so I'll be back in about 5.5 hours, that's when I'll vote and such.

[Pitchwife]

Now come on people, where is everybody? Don't make me triple-post! And what crazy game is this anyway where I'm heading the post-count? The world turned upside down...

Originally Posted by Glirdan #127

Too obvious to be an outright Wolf confession....and perhaps even a little too outright as a Cobbler...But something just isn't sitting right with me when I see her posts.

While I obviously agree with his general feelings about Dury (who would have guessed?), I'd just like to point out that this post of hers in itself doesn't look suspicious to me. Some players just take it as a compliment to be feared, regardless of their current role.

(x-ed with wilwa. Oh well...)