WW LXXIII: Arkham Asylum: Holding Cells(Game Thread)

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

sally, if you call that 'looking at things with a critical eye', I suggest you go back to your bakery.
And why jump on the Boro train? It's not like there isn't lots of other folks around...

There are other folks around? Surely you jest!

On a serious note I don't see how there could possibly be a Boro train at all. Though I'd hardly call what's going on as a train. Most of the comments made about Boro's first post/game's first post have been wishy-washy statements like "could be a cobbler hint, but maybe it couldn't be." Obviously I'd be naive to expect anything else at this point, but these sorts of posts worry me because in the days to come wishy-washy statements like those are easy for baddies to hide behind.

Originally Posted by Boro

But please people, stop using me as a guinea pig. How many times do I apparently say something controversial on Day 1, and how many times does the discussion start reverting to what I actually 'meant,' what I was hinting, and than who jumped on an attacking bandwagon, then who defended it, and who jumped off, back on, all around...and where does it lead?

Awfully touchy, aren't you? No one likes being the sacrificial lamb on Day 1, yet someone must fill the void. And no one has really committed to you or your post as anything substantial. As I said before most comments revolve around "It's a hint, but then again it probably isn't." So far no one has really pointed an accusing finger at you and screamed "WOLF!"

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Well, blowing things out of proportion is, I think, a legitimate way to start a discussion on Day 1 - often the only way, with nothing but banter and in-character lunacy to go on. So please stop jumping on Lottie for her attempt to get the game going (she seems to consider that her special duty of late, and she does it quite well).

Thaaank you. I almost never mean what I say on Day 1, guys. Honestly, I barely read his post, and doubt if there's really anything there. I just enjoy war-mongering (or something similar whose name I can't think of right now).

[Pitchwife]

*points up at Kit's #40)
Hear, hear!

So how did this thing-that-can't-be-called-a-train get rolling? Let me try a little resumé.

#8 Glirdan makes a typical Day1 banteresque remark that Boro likes to see Batman killed + posted first -> is guilty.
#9 Lottie comments on Glirdan's post that if there's anything at all in Boro's post, it could be a cobbler hint; then immediately cautions against taking that too seriously.
#10 Nerwen replies with what could be seen as a hint of her own and says Boro could be wolf hinting to cobbler.
#11 Lottie takes notice of Nerwen's maybe-hint and cautions further against taking apparent hints too seriously; "don't think we should automatically assume Boro's evil."
#13 Nerwen points out that obvious hints from baddies early in game are rare and continues with maybe/maybe not.
#16 Glirdan is starting to get unnerved by Lottie and Nerwen making more of his remark than he intended. I don't know how serious he was about the unnerving - could be overreaction.
#18 Kit comments on Lottie's ambiguity about the hint question.
#20 Pitch (that's me) questions Glirdan on his reaction.
#21 wilwa doesn't see anything cobblerish in Boro.
#22 Neither does Nog.
#29 Pitch (see above) comments on Nerwen's wolf-cheer and Lottie's ambiguity, is wishy-washy himself.
And thus it goes on with nothing really new, apart from sally's knife joke, which made me coin the metaphor Kit objects to.

So the interesting question is, what, if anything, can we glean from how this whole thing has gone until now?

(x-ed w/ Lottie and sally)

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Awfully touchy, aren't you? No one likes being the sacrificial lamb on Day 1, yet someone must fill the void. And no one has really committed to you or your post as anything substantial. As I said before most comments revolve around "It's a hint, but then again it probably isn't." So far no one has really pointed an accusing finger at you and screamed "WOLF!"

Perhaps, but I always get my stuff examined by a giant, fine-toothed comb. It's always the same..."What's Boro mean?" "Where's the hint?" "The only way we'll find out is if we open him up like a fish...*gutted like a fish* Ah, we still have no idea what he was going on about."

I feel like Tolkien and allegory, it's a good story folks...laugh!

Originally Posted by [B

sally[/B]]Because you're so adorable. Duh.

I don't know who you are in here, so I'm not going to be roped in by charm.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

*#16 Glirdan is starting to get unnerved by Lottie and Nerwen making more of his remark than he intended. I don't know how serious he was about the unnerving - could be overreaction.

Well, judging by the fact that he threatened to go tell "mom":

Originally Posted by Glirdan

And I think Lottie and Nerwen are reading into this whole first post thing a little too much. Starting to unnerve me and if they don't stop I'm going to go and tell mom!!

I would think he's pretty much joking.

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Well, judging by the fact that he threatened to go tell "mom" [...]I would think he's pretty much joking.

But we know who "mom" is, don't we?

Originally Posted by the Joker

four(4) Patients: All Clinicly insane some even think I'm their mommy isn't that cute?

Too much 'joking' going on there...

Seriously though, I think we should let Glirdan be for toDay, as he's got a RL time issue and may not be able to speak for himself in time.

The more I think about it, the less I'm inclined to suspect Lottie and Nerwen for the whole hint-or-no-hint business. Wolves don't need to stir the pot like that. Unsubstantial suspicions are an endemic Day 1 disease and pop up no matter what, as the innocents desperately look for signs of wolvishness in any- and everybody. Wolves don't need to do that - not to the same extent, at least, and not as early; they've got to think about who to vote and prepare some reasons for their votes to reduce the appearance of open bandwagoning, but otherwise they can afford to be laid back and pretend to be the voice of reason (except nervous first-timers, but I don't think we have any of these in the present line-up).
So let's look at the people who have been most reasonable up to now - which would be Kit, Nog and wilwa (sally too, now she's started actually playing, but to me at least, she just screams 'innocent' - much too straightforward and spot-on for any hidden agenda). Of these, the only one that has presented any point of attack seems to be wilwa, with her "take it easy/Yes we can!" attitude which sally pointed out... Hmmm. *ponders*

(x-ed w/ Nog & Lottie)

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Too much 'joking' going on there...

~~~

(sally too, now she's started actually playing, but to me at least, she just screams 'innocent' - much too straightforward and spot-on for any hidden agenda). Of these, the only one that has presented any point of attack seems to be wilwa, with her "take it easy/Yes we can!" attitude which sally pointed out... Hmmm. *ponders*

1. You can never have too much joking.

2. Actually, I'm not sure about her. Sally dear, are you innocent?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Loslote

1. You can never have too much joking.

2. Actually, I'm not sure about her. Sally dear, are you innocent?

Depends on whether you're asking me because you wanna know if you should lynch me or you want to know if you should Night kill me. Which is it?


Nah, I'm completely innocent. Well, not completely, but as far as the game is concerned I'm as pure as the UNdriven (which makes so much more sense) snow.


EDT: x'd with Pitch and Sir Nog

[Nogrod]

*Nogrod wrestles away from his tormentors; the nurse and the doc give him a chase through the corridor*

If you look for the reasonable and careful, look for Kit, Boro and Pitch.

If you look for the bold, look for Nerwen or Dury

Or Pitch and Lottie. Funny you both recognized what I was talking about even if I gave no open reason for tying you two together...

I do agree with Boro here: with no seer around the wolves may play also "the supporting game". No one would believe the wolves could fex. try to save each other on every lynch possible etc. (it has happened, and the last remaining wolf *coughValiercough* won that time as no one believed she could play it that openly).

Interesting spotting this "mom"-thing there with Glirdan (heh "tell mom" = tell Morsul/Joker to get rid at Night of someone threatening him?). I'd not recommend lynching him for that though.

Sally I'm quite baffled with, like...


*The Doc and the nurse finally catch up with Nog and hit him unconscious with a baseball bat*

Doc: Get him the medication. No more running amok for this guy.

*Nog is given a serum and dragged away*

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

How many times do I apparently say something controversial on Day 1, and how many times does the discussion start reverting to what I actually 'meant,' what I was hinting, and than who jumped on an attacking bandwagon, then who defended it, and who jumped off, back on, all around...and where does it lead?

I think someone said that what Boro was saying here was taking it too far, or making too big a deal of it or something, but I don't agree. Boro has a point, this does happen to him a lot, so I don't think this reaction is out of place.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

About wilwa - this "we've got loads of time and no reason to worry" attitude is something I'd usually overlook (as in not notice), especially as she's so reasonable otherwise. But you're right, it's not exactly conducive to catching wolves.

It's called optimism. Boosts up the moral of the village and makes the wolves think they're chances are lower. I always find the statistics to make it seem like the village has better chances, it makes me more relaxed and then I can think more clearly and enjoy the game better.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Nope. With no Seer, traces of collaboration are one of the few signs of wolvery detectable by the unaided innocent eye, so the wolves would do their damnedest to avoid that, I think; especially if there are only two of them. (Like the Sith - always two there are of them, master and disciple. Hmmm...) *gets carried away, calls himself to order*

Yeah, I actually disagree. I think since there are only 2 of them and they do have to survive together a while they would actually be more adament about their trust, they don't want to risk one of them dying so they should be more likely to defend each other. I would suggest we spread the votes out a bit every day, and try to avoid too many bandwagon type voting. This way when we get the first one we should have a lot of voting information to help us find the other.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Nog: Beautiful Soup, so rich and green,
Waiting in a hot tureen!
Who for such dainties would not stoop?

Nog, again, I love you.

My turn!

New Patient: But I don't want to go among mad people.
Wilwa: Oh, you can't help that. We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.
New Patient: How do you know I'm mad?
Wilwa: You must be. Or you wouldn't have come here.


edit: x'ed with Nog

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Depends on whether you're asking me because you wanna know if you should lynch me or you want to know if you should Night kill me. Which is it?

If the latter, she wouldn't have to ask; as you should know quite well. So -?*frowns*

Originally Posted by Nog

Or Pitch and Lottie. Funny you both recognized what I was talking about even if I gave no open reason for tying you two together...

I suppose you mean something along the lines of Lottie for stirring, me for - let's call it "damage control"? Yep, once you mentioned it, it occurred to me we might make a good team. Maybe in another game.
For the record, though, while Lottie replied to your "P&L-in-cahoots"-theory, I didn't up to now, as far as I can remember. So even though you're right, how could you know we both recognized what you were talking about? I don't suppose you can read my mind, or can you?

[Nerwen]

I am getting very concerned about Jonathan now. He is just too sweet and crunchy (all of him). What does he have to hide?

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

So let's look at the people who have been most reasonable up to now

That'll teach 'em.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Nope. With no Seer, traces of collaboration are one of the few signs of wolvery detectable by the unaided innocent eye, so the wolves would do their damnedest to avoid that, I think; especially if there are only two of them. (Like the Sith - always two there are of them, master and disciple. Hmmm...) *gets carried away, calls himself to order*

Ah, isn't treachery the way of the Sith? How do you know they won't be merrily (and obviously) stabbing each other in the back?

Actually... *assumes serious expression* I'm not sure what we can expect from the current set-up. We've got three unusual factors: two wolves, no Seer, and a tiny village. Would the wolves be able to ignore each other?

That's if we're hunting wolves. We seem to be hunting cobblers toDay. Tally-ho!

EDIT:X'd since Sally at #60.; clarification.

[satansaloser2005]

Nog, you are a nutter. A proper, deep, scary nutter. And I love you for it. <3

(And oi, I'm narcoleptic. You trying to imply something? Hehe.)



Now a list.


Suspicious

Wilwa: Like I said, she seems good enough but the tone of her posts just seems off to me, as if she's playing at something more than what she's saying. You know my record of mixing up wolves with gifteds, but I'm going to put her toward the top of my list because she just seems too unreal to be innocent.

Nerwen: I'm recognizing a change from 'normal' Nerwen behavior and whether she's cobbler or wolf I'm leaning toward an evil roled Nerwen more than a gifted Nerwen.

Durelin (?): I think I'm just not used to playing with her since it's been quite a while but she seems off to me. She's not my first choice for the Day (partly because it has been a while since I've played with her) but she's not my last either.


Erm, yeah, that's really as far as I got. Sorry; I'm distracted. But still. Here's a quick and dirty one so you can see where I stand, even if I don't explain all the way.

Guilty
Wilwa
Nerwen

Not as guilty
Lottie
Pitch
Durelin

No real feeling
Izzy
Nog
Glirdan
Kit
Boro



So, erm, yeah. I totally had this post done hours ago but then I left and never submitted it. *shifty eyes* I know. I suck a bit at life.