Werewolf LXXII: Now There's the Truth of It! (Game Thread)

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Yeah, I feel quite good about Lottie. Also about Fea and Form, and Glirdan. But I just can't get it out of my head that Mira would have protected at least 1 of her fellows. I mean I suppose it's possible she didn't, but each of the 4 wolves could have voted for one another and it may take a while to catch the pattern.

As I said, it is quite likely she did. Also, now that I've checked, I see that only two people (Nogrod and I) had gained a third vote at the time Mira voted. So whoever her packmates are, she couldn't have felt secure about them all.

[Pitchwife]

At the time Mira voted (with lots of votes still to come), Glirdan and Lottie already had two votes each, Fea and Form only one, so if she was trying to save anybody, I'd guess it would rather be one of the latter two. Now this is rather gut-feelingish, but I'd say Fea would have seemed in less need of being saved, having made an impressive entrée into the discussion and not being suspected by anybody yet, so I'd rather lean towards Form (bet you haven't guessed that yet).
But while it's indeed possible that Mira used one of her votes for a packmate, it's far from certain. When I'm a wolf, I tend to favour letting natural selection do its work - i.e. letting whoever gets into danger fend for themselves (as Nerwen will remember from Legate's game, where this tactic served us quite well); so let's not count too much on the Wolves voting to save each other. We need to look at a lot of other people as well.

(x-ed with Lewis Carroll of the Peredhil)

EDIT: added some bolding.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

But while it's indeed possible that Mira used one of her votes for a packmate, it's far from certain. When I'm a wolf, I tend to favour letting natural selection do its work - i.e. letting whoever gets into danger fend for themselves (as Nerwen will remember from Legate's game, where this tactic served us quite well); so let's not count too much on the Wolves voting to save each other. We need to look at a lot of other people as well.

While it would have been quite foolish for them all to try and boost one another, one or two of them could probably have done it with relative safety, especially while all four of their identities were still unknown. It's only now we've got a break by getting one of them that it becomes really dangerous, as the links can then be examined.
But you're right in that it wouldn't do to get too closely focused on one of two people.

PS-I'd forgotten about the Moddess Parody Challenge. But can anyone beat that from Fea?

[Glirdan]

I am back after a three hour morning rehearsal and have quickly read through everything since I've been gone and will comment on some things quickly.

Originally Posted by Pitch

I don't quite get where all this wave of trust in Nog comes from. As Nerwen just said concerning Form, it's not like our deceased innocents knew anything, they could have been just as mistaken as everybody else. Nog started out making some good points yesterDay

(Underlined my part)
That is my main reasoning for trusting Nog. He has been making rather valid points and opinions which are what we need to keep for this game. It is, however as you stated in your post, quite possible that he is a Wolf. It is entirely possible that he is manipulating his way to the forefront to gain people's trust. However, I don't think that Nog would be that obvious about it if he is a Wolf. Although, on the flip side of things, he could be doing it on purpose just for that reason and throw suspicion off of him. It is Nog we're talking about and anything is possible when it comes to him.

Originally Posted by Wilwa

I agree! Sooo happy to have my bff back on here. And alive day 2. And I make the same mistake with than/then all the time, it may be a Canadian thing.

Happy to be back!! And yeah, I'm pretty sure it is a Canadian thing...I do it all the time.

Okay, so I am going to quickly leave and find something to eat having not eaten anything all day, but I will be back soon.

[Pitchwife]

Preliminary list, to be updated and if necessary corrected:

Utterly trust
sally, because she's so open and forthcoming and could never hide a devious thought from us

Trust
Eönwë
Lottie
wilwa

Feel rather positive about
Brinn (few posts, but those well-reasoned, I think)
Glirdan (supported - although with a bit of wavering - the Night-posting Wolf Theory, which I don't quite see him doing as Mira's packmate)
Fea
Izzy
(with a question-mark for the latter two, as they both voted for Mira; care to explain?)

Feel rather positive about, but am cautious of on general principles
Nerwen
Zil

Find annoying, but not sure whether to suspect
Nog

Suspect
Form
Rune
for being a pair of sneaky lurkers, and Form also for Mira-voting relations, q.v. above.

Would like to lynch
the phantom - Wait, where is he toDay?

Unfortunately, again considering the popularity contest aspect, there's probably bound to be at least two wolves in my trust/positive zone, but I'll postpone second-guessing myself till later.

[Nogrod]

I'm only reading now, but felt I wish to comment on this on the go...

Originally Posted by Eönwë

However, I will say this- Yesterday there were quite a few people who didn't mention who they thought was suspicious and in this way maybe Nogrod had the right idea. It was just that I thought a fake vote was going too far.

Why is it we have no idea whom most of the players suspect or whom they'd like us to think they suspect? I tried to press for some kind of deal that we'd require everyone to state their suspicions openly thus forcing the wolves to play our game and not only hide behind the curtain of general goodwill where everyone wishes to look agreeable.

If we don't pressure the wolves to suspect people openly they will just rub you the right way and we'll get them only with lucky shots (talking of which, way to go Nienna!).

And sorry Pitch, it was not a campaign against you but an openly voiced suspicion (I did actually suspect three others more or less as much as you - and it looks like one of them was indeed a wolf).

Another point from the quote up there. I suggested "fake votes" or bolded opinion (like I did in my own post then) only to make them stand out so that everyone could see them fex. in a last half an hour rush needing not to close-read every post again to find them. And I said that yesterDay already. Claming that I was trying to destroy the new game-concept before we had tried it, or that I was misfocusing our effort, is plain silly.

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Why is it we have no idea whom most of the players suspect or whom they'd like us to think they suspect?

Read on, I think we're getting there.

If we don't pressure the wolves to suspect people openly they will just rub you the right way

True, and in this game more than in any other. Is that why you suspected Eönwë and me for rubbing you the wrong way?

And sorry Pitch, it was not a campaign against you but an openly voiced suspicion

It's alllright, I've calmed down a bit now. And don't apologize before you actually know I'm innocent!

EDIT:fixed coding

[Glirdan]

Okay, I am back and with a list of suspects and such.

Trust

Nog - For reasons I have stated many times earlier.
Pitch - Has made a lot of contributions with many good thoughts and ideas, definitely someone worth keeping around
Wilwa - Even though we always suspect each other, something about her just seems right and innocent.
Fea - What's not to trust? She came on late in the Day on Day 1 but did so with a bang with many good thoughts and ideas of her own.

Feel Inclined To Trust
Lottie - Has had many good posts of substance. The only thing that makes me a little leery is her Day 1 posting, but I am more than willing to let that slide as hers was a post telling everyone to shut it.
Nerwen - Also posted pre-Day, yet has made some great contributions to the game and I would hate to see her go just now.
Zil - Always has substance in his posts and brings up some rather interesting points himself.

Unsure
Brinn - She has been rather quiet thus far toDay and would like to hear more from her.
Izzy - I've only played in one game with her before and she was a Wolf then. Her playing style is similar to that of the last game, yet I do not want to make any judgements based on meta-reasoning.
Eönwë - Has been hiding in the shadows a lot and was also one of the pre-Day posters. But he has had posts that were well reasoned with good points of his own.
Rune - Has been far too quiet for my liking and not much to go on. Almost tempted to put him under the suspect category, yet would like to hear more before making any final decisions.

Suspect
Form - Pre-Day poster, vote of confience from Mira and just an unsettling feeling about him.

So as it stands, my four votes will probably go to Nog, Wilwa, Fea and Pitch, but this could all change by the time DL rolls around.

X'd With Noggy

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Pitch

Read on, I think we're getting there.

You're quite right! Good to see there are finally some suspicions flying... Then let's be careful we do not leave the suspecters without confidence-votes and let some people fly under the radar being just agreeable and nice to everyone, telling everyone how smart, beautiful and lovable they are.

Is that why you suspected Eönwë and me for rubbing you the wrong way?

Heh, touché! But it also actually confirms my point.

[the phantom]

If you haven't made a trust/suspect list by the end of the day, you should die.

If you don't produce a song/poem parody by the end of the day, you should die.

And what did I say about snuggling on a WW thread?! Only a Mod has the power to get away with that. And The Barrow-Wight- but he has the good taste not to try it.

And cats too. They have no place being mentioned in a WW game. They are furry evil creatures who... erm, well okay... actually, they fit great in a WW game.

And why have none of you taken the lead and dumped your votes? You can either do the flush-your-extra-three-votes thing (a wicked awesome plan if I may say so) or you can just go ahead and vote for a person or two to get the ball rolling. Talk in circles all you want, but you know good and well that at the end of the day you will feel that there are certain individuals that you simply cannot allow to be lynched this round given what happened with the voting yesterday.

If you don't go ahead and jump on a couple of your convictions early everyone else will beat you to it and then for the purpose of spreading votes you'll be forced to vote for your lesser choices. Is that what you want? Come on- take some pressure off of yourself. Cast some votes. It's not like you only have one.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

But phantom, darling, I like pressure. The full weight of a situation, pressing, bearing down on me...

Why cast votes now when I can masochistically enjoy the intensity?

[Nogrod]

Of Form. I can see where the suspicion comes from but,

- Could anyone knowing him even a wee-bit think he would knowingly go and post on the thread during the Night while conversing with his packmates (and possibly planning that trick)? It just doesn't fit my image of him.
- His votes of confidence were clearly to those others who posted prematurely, and if he's innocent - and as he is the D1-hater I know - it would sound pretty straightforward from him. In general I could see some "goodwill" forming in an innocent towards others who have screwed up like himself...

I'm not saying he should not be suspected and I'd like to hear what he says toDay, but let's ponder these factors as well.

What I find a bit disconcerting is that more or less everyone seems to be assuming that Fea and wilwa are innocent by default. Well I tend to think them more innocent than not, but not by default or think it somehow self-evident.

Did Fea actually ever elaborate why she gave her two Simon-votes as pluses to wilwa?


EDIT: X'd with Fea...

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by the phantom

If you haven't made a trust/suspect list by the end of the day, you should die.

Almost makes me wish I hadn't.

If you don't produce a song/poem parody by the end of the day, you should die.

Kill me then, if you can. Can't rhyme under pressure if my life depends on it. Especially not when my life depends on it.

And what did I say about snuggling on a WW thread?! Only a Mod has the power to get away with that. And The Barrow-Wight- but he has the good taste not to try it.

*snuggle snuggle snuggle*

And cats too. They have no place being mentioned in a WW game. They are furry evil creatures who... erm, well okay... actually, they fit great in a WW game.

Tevildo. 'Nuff said.

And why have none of you taken the lead and dumped your votes? You can either do the flush-your-extra-three-votes thing (a wicked awesome plan if I may say so) or you can just go ahead and vote for a person or two to get the ball rolling. Talk in circles all you want, but you know good and well that at the end of the day you will feel that there are certain individuals that you simply cannot allow to be lynched this round given what happened with the voting yesterday.
If you don't go ahead and jump on a couple of your convictions early everyone else will beat you to it and then for the purpose of spreading votes you'll be forced to vote for your lesser choices. Is that what you want? Come on- take some pressure off of yourself. Cast some votes. It's not like you only have one.

And who are you, anyway?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by the phantom

If you haven't made a trust/suspect list by the end of the day, you should die.

If you don't produce a song/poem parody by the end of the day, you should die.

And what did I say about snuggling on a WW thread?! Only a Mod has the power to get away with that. And The Barrow-Wight- but he has the good taste not to try it.

And cats too. They have no place being mentioned in a WW game. They are furry evil creatures who... erm, well okay... actually, they fit great in a WW game.

And why have none of you taken the lead and dumped your votes? You can either do the flush-your-extra-three-votes thing (a wicked awesome plan if I may say so) or you can just go ahead and vote for a person or two to get the ball rolling. Talk in circles all you want, but you know good and well that at the end of the day you will feel that there are certain individuals that you simply cannot allow to be lynched this round given what happened with the voting yesterday.

If you don't go ahead and jump on a couple of your convictions early everyone else will beat you to it and then for the purpose of spreading votes you'll be forced to vote for your lesser choices. Is that what you want? Come on- take some pressure off of yourself. Cast some votes. It's not like you only have one.

In order.

Concur.

Concur.

I like snuggling. Stop harrassing them about the snuggling or I'll slap you again. *snuggles all her minions*

Concur. Further mentions of cats may be met with modfire.

I've not read the thread too well so I shall comment not on this.

He does have a point (though likely not this late in the Day).



Where's my sweet Alona?