Why Did Isildur Cross the River? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

alatar · 01-29-2010, 12:12 PM

Are we asking why Isildur, when under attack, went for a swim? Or why he was doing his Middle Earth victory lap? If it's the former, I'd think that it not only might have saved him, but aided his escape as don't the evil folk fear water, to some extent?

Mithalwen · 01-29-2010, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by alatar

If it's the former, I'd think that it not only might have saved him, but aided his escape as don't the evil folk fear water, to some extent?

I don't think any race of middle earth is a fan of water as far as swimming is concerned - elf, man and hobbit all meet watery fates - the only successful swimmer I can think of is Gollum!

Inziladun · 01-29-2010, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by alatar

Are we asking why Isildur, when under attack, went for a swim? Or why he was doing his Middle Earth victory lap? If it's the former, I'd think that it not only might have saved him, but aided his escape as don't the evil folk fear water, to some extent?

Basically, it appears that if Isildur had simply chosen to journey on the west side of Anduin, the swim across would not have been necessary. It looks to me as if he deliberately took the long way around.
Now, it can certainly be argued that if he hadn't gone for a swim in the Anduin, the Ring would not have been lost, and the whole of Third Age Middle-earth history would have been re-written. Fair enough.
Be that as it may, I simply don't see any likely reason why he chose the route he did.
If the Ring itself played a part, why didn't Isildur's Men, and especially his sons, question his decision to journey east of the Anduin? Going on the western side would have put them nearer the Mountains, and in a position where they could have received help from Lórien and Khazad-dûm. And as I said earlier, there was the Redhorn Gate that they could easily have used to pass the Mountains.

The Mouth of Sauron · 01-30-2010, 04:30 AM

Isildur would have known that Thranduil and the Elves from the Woodland Realm in Mirkwood had taken the same route on their homeward journey, east of the Anduin, not long before. It was therefore reasonable to expect that the route would be safe.

One thought though - why didn't Isildur use a palantir to scout the route ahead ?

Mithalwen · 01-30-2010, 10:36 AM

I don't think they could be used like that.

Palantiri were not really portable and couldn't see in the dark. Even if he had looked at the Orthanc stone it wouldn't tell him where the orcs would be days later.

Aaront596 · 02-02-2010, 12:48 AM

to get to the other side

Inziladun · 02-02-2010, 06:25 AM

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to get to the other side

Tsk. You're too late. I covered that in my opening post.

Sarumian · 02-02-2010, 08:05 PM

Could Isildur have been confused by the Ring? If it had started it's famous love-hate game with him, he could have wished both give it away and keep it at the same time. Elrond was with Isildur at the Cracks of Doom and tried to persuade him to destroy the Ring. Isildur could have thought that unlike to himself, Elrond was able to have it done and he needed to bring the Ring to Rivendel, but secretly. At the same time Rivendel was far away and the Ring could have influenced Isildur to take this long way as he didn't need to give it away too soon. He could also have been reluctant to bring it neither to Lorien, nor to Kazad-Dum, as there was a risk that someone else clamed it there.

These are some reasons that look possible for me.

01-29-2010, 12:12 PM	#1
alatar Doubting Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Heaven's basement Posts: 2,466	Are we asking why Isildur, when under attack, went for a swim? Or why he was doing his Middle Earth victory lap? If it's the former, I'd think that it not only might have saved him, but aided his escape as don't the evil folk fear water, to some extent? __________________ There is naught that you can do, other than to resist, with hope or without it.

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Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	I don't think they could be used like that. Palantiri were not really portable and couldn't see in the dark. Even if he had looked at the Orthanc stone it wouldn't tell him where the orcs would be days later. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

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01-30-2010, 04:30 AM	#4
The Mouth of Sauron Wight Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Barad-Dur Posts: 196	Isildur would have known that Thranduil and the Elves from the Woodland Realm in Mirkwood had taken the same route on their homeward journey, east of the Anduin, not long before. It was therefore reasonable to expect that the route would be safe. One thought though - why didn't Isildur use a palantir to scout the route ahead ?

02-02-2010, 12:48 AM	#6
Aaront596 Pile O'Bones Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Louisville KY USA Posts: 21	to get to the other side

02-02-2010, 08:05 PM	#8
Sarumian Wight Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 129	Could Isildur have been confused by the Ring? If it had started it's famous love-hate game with him, he could have wished both give it away and keep it at the same time. Elrond was with Isildur at the Cracks of Doom and tried to persuade him to destroy the Ring. Isildur could have thought that unlike to himself, Elrond was able to have it done and he needed to bring the Ring to Rivendel, but secretly. At the same time Rivendel was far away and the Ring could have influenced Isildur to take this long way as he didn't need to give it away too soon. He could also have been reluctant to bring it neither to Lorien, nor to Kazad-Dum, as there was a risk that someone else clamed it there. These are some reasons that look possible for me.