WWLXXI: Something in the Night (Attempt #2)

[wilwarin538]

Since nothing is happening I'm just gonna make a list...

Sally: very likely innocent

Shasta: makes me a bit uneasy, it seems like a Sally kill could have been an obvious attempt to set him up, and so I see it as possible that he was trying to set himself up to look good (I know that's a big stretch, I won't base a vote purely on that). And him not liking Alona revealing thier Loverness is kinda odd, since it isn't really that big a deal at this point.

Alona: sits quite well with me, I like that she posts so much

Rikae: is intense, and very Rikae-like, so I'm fairly good so far (I can't get over how different she is in RL)

Izzy: is completely under my radar, which is usual for me, so I'll try and pay closer attention for her

Nog: hasn't really been around much, so I don't know

Lottie: feel quite good about her today, I like her abundance of posts

Inzil: he makes me uneasy, but that's more of a feeling then anything else

Lari: her vote yesterday was a bit weird, but I get that at the time she thought it was deadline, so I'm not too worried


So......I don't really have much right now. I need posts people.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Mostly it's that the inclusion of Lovers into this game had such possibility, and now there's really no point to it. Kind of ruins one of Gwath's game mechanics. For example, had lovers not been revealed, and I'd been the Seer, I could have easily funneled my dreams through Alona without revealing myself.

Sally, I'm not even seeing what knowing whose lover is who is going to tell us, considering wolves can be paired with innocents. What was your point in making everyone reveal?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Mostly it's that the inclusion of Lovers into this game had such possibility, and now there's really no point to it. Kind of ruins one of Gwath's game mechanics. For example, had lovers not been revealed, and I'd been the Seer, I could have easily funneled my dreams through Alona without revealing myself.

Sally, I'm not even seeing what knowing whose lover is who is going to tell us, considering wolves can be paired with innocents. What was your point in making everyone reveal?

Well I realized after I'd PM'd Gwath that 'anyone' can be paired with 'anyone'. I was under the assumption (for whatever silly reason) that wolves wouldn't be paired with each other. Erm, whoops? *headdesks* If they hadn't, however, we would have been able to deduce that if partner A is not a wolf partner B must be (or at least has a darn good chance). However I was just the least bit mistaken.


Internet hates me. Blah. Also, I'm babysitting tonight so I won't be around for the last 6.5 hours of the Day. That being said, I'm obviously going to have to vote early.

I wonder if there's any way the wolves would be stupid enough to not kill me toNight. Wilwa, if you're one of them and you let me live, I'll send you those cookies!

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I wonder if there's any way the wolves would be stupid enough to not kill me toNight. Wilwa, if you're one of them and you let me live, I'll send you those cookies!

I would really, really love for this to be the issue, but probably not...that's only a mistake a newbie wolf would make, and sadly I'm not a wolf this game. I just hope we could get a few more clues before the end of the Day.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Well I realized after I'd PM'd Gwath that 'anyone' can be paired with 'anyone'. I was under the assumption (for whatever silly reason) that wolves wouldn't be paired with each other. Erm, whoops? *headdesks* If they hadn't, however, we would have been able to deduce that if partner A is not a wolf partner B must be (or at least has a darn good chance). However I was just the least bit mistaken.

I still don't understand the math of how we would have been able to do this...?

And where are Nog and Rikae...?

[Rikae]

I'm here. I don't have much to say. I'm a plain ordo this time around, and I have a lot of non-WW responsibilities today, so although I'm following the discussion, I can't really muster the enthusiasm to contribute much. Sorry.

The one thing that jumped out at me was alona's weird statement that we're on the same side. I doubt she'd be so obvious if she actually knew, so I'm inclined to think she knows the opposite - knows I'm not on her side, and hopes such hinting will win my trust. Loslote either did a great job of plaqing the newbie wolf yesterDay or is innocent, and Sally is innocent unless I missed something about the narrations... that makes the chance of lynching a wolf fairly good toDay, I guess... I'll try to add more later.

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Rikae

The one thing that jumped out at me was alona's weird statement that we're on the same side. I doubt she'd be so obvious if she actually knew, so I'm inclined to think she knows the opposite - knows I'm not on her side, and hopes such hinting will win my trust. Loslote either did a great job of plaqing the newbie wolf yesterDay or is innocent, and Sally is innocent unless I missed something about the narrations... that makes the chance of lynching a wolf fairly good toDay, I guess... I'll try to add more later.

Okay, so I'm learning that comments where I try to be nice don't go over so well...I think that happened a few games back for me, too. Eh, I need to grow tougher skin anyway. Her lack of posts didn't seem wolf-quiet just busy-quiet, so I assumed she was an ordo like me.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

Not just that, but the wolves have an added advantage. They can PM between each other and with their lover. So there is multiple levels of planning going on there. And the fact that its all out in the open means that we now know who is sharing secret ideas with who. Well, that is if we take it on face value that everyone trusts their lover.

I think the last part of that's the sticking point. Are the wolves or Gifteds really going to give clues to their partners, not knowing what they might be?

Originally Posted by Rikae

I'm here. I don't have much to say. I'm a plain ordo this time around, and I have a lot of non-WW responsibilities today, so although I'm following the discussion, I can't really muster the enthusiasm to contribute much. Sorry.

The one thing that jumped out at me was alona's weird statement that we're on the same side. I doubt she'd be so obvious if she actually knew, so I'm inclined to think she knows the opposite - knows I'm not on her side, and hopes such hinting will win my trust. Loslote either did a great job of plaqing the newbie wolf yesterDay or is innocent, and Sally is innocent unless I missed something about the narrations... that makes the chance of lynching a wolf fairly good toDay, I guess... I'll try to add more later.

I'm rather busy myself with work stuff (but it's Friday!).
That was an odd thing for alon to say, and it must be noted as at least possibly a wolfish slip. But how could she think she would 'win your trust' by it Rikae?
Loslote still gives me a bad feeling. She's more aggressive and not as logical as I'd expect, and toDay hasn't done much to alleviate that.
I see no reason Sally shouldn't be considered innocent, at this point. It seems quite clear from the narration that she was the intended kill last Night.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Mostly it's that the inclusion of Lovers into this game had such possibility, and now there's really no point to it. Kind of ruins one of Gwath's game mechanics. For example, had lovers not been revealed, and I'd been the Seer, I could have easily funneled my dreams through Alona without revealing myself.

Sally, I'm not even seeing what knowing whose lover is who is going to tell us, considering wolves can be paired with innocents. What was your point in making everyone reveal?

Yeah, but why make things easy for the gifteds?

[satansaloser2005]

Dang it. I have to leave soon-ish. Where is everyone?

[wilwarin538]

I'm here Sally.


And I'm not a wolf, but I won't vote for you, so I still want cookies.

[alonariel]

I just got back from the doctor's - bronchial infection, unfortunately. I'll be on for another hour or so, then I have to leave for work and won't be back til 3 hours before DL.

[Lariren Shadow]

I'm here. Nothing much has happened since last night, besides people figuring out who is who's lover.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Mostly it's that the inclusion of Lovers into this game had such possibility, and now there's really no point to it. Kind of ruins one of Gwath's game mechanics. For example, had lovers not been revealed, and I'd been the Seer, I could have easily funneled my dreams through Alona without revealing myself.

Sally, I'm not even seeing what knowing whose lover is who is going to tell us, considering wolves can be paired with innocents. What was your point in making everyone reveal?

Not just that, but the wolves have an added advantage. They can PM between each other and with their lover. So there is multiple levels of planning going on there. And the fact that its all out in the open means that we now know who is sharing secret ideas with who. Well, that is if we take it on face value that everyone trusts their lover.

[satansaloser2005]

Fine then. You all suck.

You probably have already guessed this, but I'm the seer, and there's no way I'm surviving anyway so it doesn't matter if I tell you.

However, since none of you are posting I'm not telling you that I dreamt two wolves.



Toodles. Be back later if I can.

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Fine then. You all suck.

You probably have already guessed this, but I'm the seer, and there's no way I'm surviving anyway so it doesn't matter if I tell you.

However, since none of you are posting I'm not telling you that I dreamt two wolves.



Toodles. Be back later if I can.

I've been posting! Tell me! Tell me!

Though, if you don't come back I'm gonna go ahead and assume that the 2 wolves are the two on your list under "Could easily vote for".

But one thing that doesn't make sense is you say you dreamt 2 wolves, and there's been only 2 nights so that's very well possible. But then why were you so sure about Glirdan, when you couldn't have dreamt him, and couldn't have known for sure that he wasn't the third wolf?

I'm inclined to believe you for now, but that part doesn't really make sense to me dear.

[Nogrod]

Finally back home and read the thread. The last posts by Sally... hmm. Back in a minute.

[Nogrod]

As looks quite obvious Sally was the target last Night and was saved by the ranger (decent work ranger as we lost two on D1 - so kind of evens our double loss).

Also it looks to me quite obvious Sally dreamt of Glirdy on N1 - as agreed, the seer would like to know her pal first if he is to be trusted to play together - and thus her panic in the end of the Day.

Furthermore I see no reason to doubt Sally's reveal. And I'll bet she will eventually come back with the one known person to her she must have. But nice drama there at exit to be sure!


Now what makes me wonder is that Lottie was actually quite inquisitive about Sally's panic in the end of yesterDay. And even if her speculations ended up more or less thinking Sally innocent she wished to hear my views on possible explanations of her gifted hints. I've been more than busy - and still am, sorry about that guys - and only answered shortly that I thought that gifted-hinting was not a reasonable POV there... and then the wolves try to kill Sally the same Night.

How much did you others discuss Sally last Night? Was it something everyone talked about or...?

[Nogrod]

Another thing that makes me feel a bit suspicious started from this:

Originally Posted by alona

Rikae: Admittedly scares me (in a good way, I think), so I'm glad to have her on my side in this game.

Now some others have commented on this already but I'm also a bit worried about Rikae's answer to that comment:

Originally Posted by Rikae

The one thing that jumped out at me was alona's weird statement that we're on the same side. I doubt she'd be so obvious if she actually knew, so I'm inclined to think she knows the opposite - knows I'm not on her side, and hopes such hinting will win my trust.

But alona first. No ordo but a seer could say that - and a seer most likely wouldn't anyway unless she was to reveal (and this was before Sally came forwards anyway). Especially as she didn't say "I believe" or "I have a strong feeling", or "I have good vibes" but just plain and simple: "glad to have you on my side in this game". I know people think differently, but it's hard to see an ordo thinking like that in any circumstances, especially early on D2 basing her "knowledge" on Rikae's few posts she had made on D1!

But what about Rikae then? Now it looks like a really weird comment to suggest that alona would try to win her trust with that comment. And I guess Rikae realised it as she made a corrective move a bit later explaining alona's possible motivation a bit more. I just feel there is something fishy in there.

It could be within limits of believability that alona and Rikae actually are in cahoots here: alona made a major slip and Rikae tried to distance herself from her because of that.


Be that conspiracy theory as it may be, but I'm most probably going to vote alona again toDay. Not only because of that one thing with Rikae, but also looking at her so busy explaining herself time and time again and making comments I think were more fishy than not. I'll come back with some examples to show what I mean.

[Isabellkya]

I'm a bit confused about the connection between Shasta and Sally. He tried to kill her, so it would point the finger at him; which would be obvious and thus looked at like a set-up. Thus making himself looking more innocent because of it. Seems like a convoluted mess, with a bunch of thens.

I had a similar thought round one. When I was under the impression that only ordos could be paired with wolves. It was quite a scary notion. Because then the wolves would know that their partners were ordos, and if they were capable of sharing whom their lovers were - they could easily rule out three people as not being gifted. Thus leaving them six players to choose from to be a gifted. With three gifteds, it would've been a 50% chance of hitting a gifted night two. Not taking into consideration whomever was lynched. If a non-wolf paired player was lynched, the odds of hitting a gifted would've been higher. Thankfully that wasn't/isn't the case.

o.O

[Isabellkya]

Haven't people said similar things in other games?
Such as "x is good to have on y side, because they post a lot." or "x is bad to have on y side, if I'm on z side - because they figure me out so easily."

I do see the explaining part. She seems to be having to clarify, or elaborate on things a lot.

A flaw I see on that plan Wilwa is that it won't give us much information to go on toMorrow. If the person picked by Sally is not a wolf, then I imagine the wolves will have no problem in going along with it. I imagine they probably won't have much problem with it, even if it is a wolf - so they could try and blend in with the crowd.

Lynching a wolf is priority. If we can't get one, an ordo is better than a gifted.

I got halfway through a list, and it was mostly "no reads."
So I started over with just a placement on a scale from innocent -> woof woof. Then I started a list again, because I had comments too.

Nog - I'd put him in the middle. I can't get a good read on him, probably due to his busy schedule.

Inziluadun - He seems like a lurker to me. He hasn't gone after me, so I can't help but think he isn't a wolf. Since the last time I think I played with him, he was a wolf - and went after me.

Shasta - Search party? Where's Waldo, but with a turquoise hat and shirt.

Rikae - Same as Nog pretty much. The middle.

alonariel - She flip-flopped earlier in terms of the Sally being cleared and the narration. I don't buy her explanation for it. But as I'm not in her head, nor know her circumstances, I can't push her towards the lupinity group because of it.

Sally - She is Sally... and I can't help but be disappointed that her reveal seemed to be less dramatic than usual. Most reveals are met with a dramatic pause.. or something.

Loslote - I keep wanting to type Lostlote, and I get her, Wilwarin, and alonariel mixed up. She is kind of chafing me, but I think that is just her approach to finding wolves?

Wilwarin - I'm still confused on the whole Shasta deal.

Lariren - She is playing.


So If I had to vote right now. I'd probably vote for Wilwa, Loslote or maybe alonariel. I think my thoughts are muddled on the three, since I keep getting them mixed up.

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Wilwarin - I'm still confused on the whole Shasta deal.

Hmm???

Interesting. Still not admitting that she is, thus leaving the possibility for doubt open.

This statement doesn't make sense to me. Are you saying Sally hasn't admitted that she is the Seer, cause I think she has quite clearly? I must be misunderstanding you somehow...

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

This statement doesn't make sense to me. Are you saying Sally hasn't admitted that she is the Seer, cause I think she has quite clearly? I must be misunderstanding you somehow...

Actually, I was saying that Zil still wasn't admitting it. Later he does, though, so never mind about that one.

[Isabellkya]

Wilwa..
in #160 you said

"Shasta: makes me a bit uneasy, it seems like a Sally kill could have been an obvious attempt to set him up, and so I see it as possible that he was trying to set himself up to look good (I know that's a big stretch, I won't base a vote purely on that). And him not liking Alona revealing thier Loverness is kinda odd, since it isn't really that big a deal at this point. "

I believe you have made reference to it in other posts.

[Loslote]

Is dl in 22 minutes? I don't want another "oops, wrong dl" confusion...

EDIT: xed with Zil

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Actually, I was saying that Zil still wasn't admitting it. Later he does, though, so never mind about that one.

Misrepresenting me again?
I think it's very likely Sally is the actual Seer, but it's hardly proven, is it?
You have a point that I have suspected you before as an innocent, but the alarm bells sound louder to me this go-around.

[wilwarin538]

Lottie: k, makes way more sense then whatever was going through my mind

Izzy: ok, well I admitted it was flimsy, and didn't really have anything stronger at the time

When is DL?? I haven't stayed up late enough for it yet so I don't really know when it is...