WWLXXI: Something in the Night

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

So it actually says that the thing that is different from a normal lovers' role is solely the fact that the other part to the relationship can outlive the other - and that is actually nothing unheard of as we've had that kind of games before

Really? I only recall a lover who lived a day for a revenge kill and the mod's amusement... or else lover-like roles who still retained their own side's normal allegiances and conditions of winning. Actually, I remember lovers who *did* die together, but were on opposite sides and won with their respective teams, too.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But that would actually mean also that the winning conditions for lovers will be the same as they always have been, eg. that the lovers only win together as there is no mention about a new ruling where a lover can win without her/his mate. The only difference to the rule is that they can outlive one another (and of course after that freed from the relationship and able to be what they wish.

That doesn't mean any such thing. He didn't say anything about the lovers' winning conditions in the beginning, only that they don't die together; but it makes little sense for lovers who don't die together to win only together. If one dies, the other is alive, but has no role, no motivation. Like I said, I've only seen that once, and that only involved living for a day to make silly random posts.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

So I can see now why no-one has come forwards to betray their mate - if they knew the identity of their lover in the first place

Really? Why? Misguided concern for fairness to wolves? As if I believe that... anyone with a question can always PM the mod. The game is fair... that is, until people (like Wilwa's lover, maybe? Or Wilwa herself?) start working for the other team for meta-game reasons. If it's not part of your role, it's not fair, and if the wolves win because innocents are letting them win, I'm going to be royally ticked off.

EDIT: X'd with Loslote's 2nd post.

[wilwarin538]

What Nog said makes sense, and is honestly exactly what was going through my head until Gwath's clarification.

During Night 1 I was distinctly under the impression that the only thing that made us different from traditional Lovers was that we don't die together, I assumed everything else was the same, therefore assumed that our main goal (as long as our love was alive) was to survive til the end with our lover, no matter what side won. Rikae, this may not be how you understood it, but it's clearly how some others understood it (including at least me and my lover).

Aswell my lover and I were under the impression that we could tell each other our roles. So we did. Because we thought our Lover role was priority over our other role, and therefore believed that knowing each other's role would help us achieve a win as Lovers (since at the time that's what we thought the goal was).

So if we don't restart and we continue as is, any information I gained from my private PMs with my partner will remain between him and I, at least as long as both of us are alive. You may not agree with that, but it doesn't seem fair to me for either of us to use any information we may have gained from each other in private, when that information was collected when we had a different understanding of the dynamics of the game. It's not fair to anyone.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Loslote

In any case, there would be no reason for someone to think thier lover slipped and revealed that they're a wolf. Wolves are smarter than that. More likely they were an ordo trying to get you to slip and reveal that you're a wolf.

Ahh, are we still on about this? If someone had good information on a wolf, I would expect them to reveal it. If that doesn't occur, I have to conclude nothing of the sort is available. There's no way to know if someone is holding out or not, is there? I don't get what you mean by the last part, Lottie. Would the real wolves not be fully aware who their packmates were?

So. Voting-time isn't too far away. What have we?

I'm reluctant to vote for Rikae, despite a general feeling of misgiving. It's pretty standard for me to suspect her, as I said, so I'd like to have something more concrete to go on.

Sally is..Sally. Rather odd and not around too much (the first bit's a compliment) . I don't think it should be her toDay.

Morsul... not a great deal to work with, but probably the brightest ping on the radar. His early response to Lottie's joking suspicion on him seemed strange. Like I said, it admittedly isn't much, but it may be the best shot I see for toDay.

Wilwa...well, lots of talk about the Lover roles, and a vote for Lari. It's the latter that I dislike more, since I generally don't like going for someone who hasn't been around on Day 1, especially when there could have been RL reasons for it. She said she couldn't find anyone else, which is plausible for Day 1, I guess. Still one to watch.

Nog goes after a semi-submarine, which seems fairly in-character for him. But I don't recall him really giving a reason to vote her. Hmm.

Shasta: Who's that? Is he playing?

Alon: don't really recall much from her except IC stuff and references to some decadent soiree in Boston...

I feel like I'm missing someone.

x/d with the last 5 posts or so

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Ahh, are we still on about this? If someone had good information on a wolf, I would expect them to reveal it. If that doesn't occur, I have to conclude nothing of the sort is available. There's no way to know if someone is holding out or not, is there? I don't get what you mean by the last part, Lottie. Would the real wolves not be fully aware who their packmates were?

I feel like I'm missing someone.

Sorry. Never been a wolf. That should have been obvious...

Glirdan, Izzy, me, and Lari.

EDIT: xed with Rikae.

[Morsul the Dark]

wilwa and Lari voted each other nog voted sally I have to read more...

Lottie you're right! right now I am confused

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Lottie you're right! right now I am confused

Um...about what, exactly, was I right about and you are confused about?

[Loslote]

++Wilwa

It seems like she's trying too hard to be nice. She doesn't really add anything new to the disscussion, just continuing the Lover debates without really saying anything. She voted Lari without real reason - has she even been on yet? She seems to try to stay on everyone's good side.

And she feels like a wolf.

EDIT: xed with Morsul and Sally

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Loslote

++Wilwa

It seems like she's trying too hard to be nice. She doesn't really add anything new to the disscussion, just continuing the Lover debates without really saying anything. She voted Lari without real reason - has she even been on yet? She seems to try to stay on everyone's good side.

And she feels like a wolf.

EDIT: xed with Morsul and Sally

To her credit I believe she did support Nog's idea of lynching a submarine, which Lari would currently qualify as. I certainly don't agree with her decision however.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Ok.... so Lottie seems to be leaving me alone...it's odd for her.

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++Wilwa

The vote makes me a bit more worried. Day One bandwaggons are rarely a good thing. Still, I do want to lynch her more than anyone else...*sigh* I guess I boils down to I don't trust Morsul, which brings me to my second point: This is just Day One. ToMorrow I'll be after you like a ... um ... something that chases you!

EDIT: xed with Sally and Morsul again

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Um...about what, exactly, was I right about and you are confused about?

I'm confused about everythng... and after a Loooooong time of searching:

it's a quote from an old game... I'm too tired to search anymore

I remember it specifically however, "Morsul is generally confused and confusing"

[Glirdan]

Wilwa Post Analysis

Recaps will be regular, my comments will be italicized. Also, this is more for my benefit (I like writing things down to keep my mind and thoughts in order) but you can all use it as well obviously

Post # 14

Her first post of the game with not much to say but comments on how interesting and confusing the game will be due to the fact that their are now not only two teams, but many different minor teams.

Not much to comment on and nothing out of the ordinary.

Post # 19

Takes an even deeper look into the whole Lovers scenario due to the fact that Nogrod went into her post with a little more depth. She brings up a few interesting notions, one of which being that each individual Lovers pair will be more interested in surviving till the end of the game rather then want their "side" to win. Moves on to say that once one Lover starts dying, the role of the surviving Lover will change and they will be more concentrated on making it to the end.

Even the first time I read this I had to re-read it. A few things jumped out at me. One, the fact that she believes each pair is really in this for themselves, which is not entirely true if you stop to think about it. We only have ONE traditional Lover pair that really wants to make it to the end. Two, how everyone's "role" once their partner has died will be transferred to helping their respective "side". I don't know about the rest of you, but finding the Wolves is on the top of my priority list, that way both I AND my Lover could live happily ever after. It's called balancing between having a lover and having to find the Wolves, find your middle ground. Three, the fact that she's delving further into something that need not be discussed. Really, if there are any questions and concerns about how this is going to play out, they should be brought to the Mod.

Post # 20

Basic apology post (I guess after having read the Admin thread) and has come to an understanding of what the Lover roles are.

Eases my suspicions slightly but not taken off the radar just yet.

Post # 33

Rebuttles Rikae's question of whether or not Lovers who suspect their partner is a Wolf should come out and say anything. Believes that it gives us an unfair advantage in the game (wait, we're palying a game!? ).

I'm going to stop analyzing right here because for me this post is the ticket to Wilwa getting my vote. The fact that she said that we SHOULDN'T reveal any suspicions about our partner is rather worrisome in itself. If someone knows ANYTHING about there partner being a Wolf, they should step up immediately! The whole point of this is for us to catch the Wolves, right? Why do something that could hinder that UNLESS you're the Lover of the Wolf!

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So that's that.

++Wilwa

For the points I made above.

I'll be around for awhile longer too if anybody has any other questions

X'ed with Sally, Alona and WolfyWilwa

[Lariren Shadow]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

wilwa and Lari voted each other nog voted sally I have to read more...

Lottie you're right! right now I am confused

Uh, this is my first post. I have no idea what you're reading but I haven't voted.

I honestly have no idea, but I need to eat and am probably not going to get back in time. So I'll do a horribly quick read through and see who to possibly vote for.

[satansaloser2005]

To Sir Nog (though he's long gone): I was just voicing my thoughts that caution when communicating with your lover is key, as some might tend to trust their lover and tell them things (suspicions, etc., and that's just for an ordo!) without considering that they'd be a wolf. Forgive me, but if I know I'm apt to make a slip I consider it my duty not only to remind myself not to do it but to caution others against it as well.



And on that note, a vote count.

Nog-->Sally
Wilwa-->Lari
Rikae-->Wilwa
Morsul-->Wilwa

Which means that anything can happen. Here's a brief list based on how I'm feeling at the moment, and then, internet permitting, I'll read through the thread and offer a bit of commentary.


Leaning toward trusting: Nogrod, Dun, Shasta, Glirdan
Hesitant toward: Lottie, Rikae, Wilwa
Can't decide on: Everyone else (Lari, Morsul, Alona, Izzy)
Pure evil: Nerwen, Gwath

EDIT: x'd since Morsul and edited my vote count accordingly. Seems a bit hasty, to be honest. Perhaps he'll move to my second category.