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**The Saucepan Man** · 12-22-2009, 05:58 PM

Rumil may well have it. But, if not, his answer prompted a thought in my head, so if my arrow meets its mark, I have him to thank.

The Teeth of Scatha, the Dragon?

Daggers wrenched from owner's hold - Sharp as daggers, they were prised by Fram from the dead Dragon's mouth.
Dearer bought than jewels or gold - Purchased by the slaying of a Dragon.
Seed of hatred, gift of scorn - Scatha's hoard was the source of dispute between Fram's people and the Dwarves of the Grey Mountains and Fram's scornful gift to them of the Teeth prompted war.
Still we sting, a wreath of thorn Hmm, not sure about this one. Possibly, it refers to Fram's death at the Dwarves' hands.

Rumil · 12-23-2009, 06:10 AM

Hi Saucie,

great to see you back!! I think you must have the right of it, sounds a much better answer to me, waiting or PW to confirm.

I haven't read this bit about Scatha the Worm in an age, is it in UT or elsewhere?

All the best

R

Pitchwife · 12-23-2009, 03:23 PM

Oops - wrong mythology.
Anyway, Saucepan Man has it, it's Scatha's teeth (from LotR Appendix A II, Rumil) - and very nicely explained, too! As for the stinging bit, my thought was that Fram's gift stung the Dwarves' pride, metaphorically speaking, but Fram's death is another valid connotation; and wreath of thorn was meant as a metaphor for the necklace made of the teeth.
Well done, SpM - the thread is yours!

Urwen · 02-17-2010, 02:41 PM

I want to join.

Urwen · 02-17-2010, 03:14 PM

Can I write a new riddle?

Pitchwife · 02-17-2010, 03:26 PM

Hi Urwen, welcome to the Downs, and I'll hope you'll enjoy yourself being dead!
The usual procedure 'round here is that whoever solved the last riddle gets to post the next, but as SpM has been silent for nearly two months, I'd say the thread is up for grabs, so if you want to, take it. I suggest you just repost your riddle here instead of creating an extra thread for it - or post another one, as you like it.

Urwen · 02-17-2010, 03:32 PM

Here's my riddle:

Three were we
reduced to none
the first one
was slain alone
the second one
was slain for thing that shone
the third one
forever was gone.

The Might · 03-02-2010, 05:16 AM

Nice riddle, couldn't come up with anything smart so far, but I'll keep looking.

12-22-2009, 05:58 PM	#1
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Rumil may well have it. But, if not, his answer prompted a thought in my head, so if my arrow meets its mark, I have him to thank. The Teeth of Scatha, the Dragon? Daggers wrenched from owner's hold - Sharp as daggers, they were prised by Fram from the dead Dragon's mouth. Dearer bought than jewels or gold - Purchased by the slaying of a Dragon. Seed of hatred, gift of scorn - Scatha's hoard was the source of dispute between Fram's people and the Dwarves of the Grey Mountains and Fram's scornful gift to them of the Teeth prompted war. Still we sting, a wreath of thorn Hmm, not sure about this one. Possibly, it refers to Fram's death at the Dwarves' hands. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

12-23-2009, 06:10 AM	#2
Rumil Sage & Onions Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Britain Posts: 894	Hi Saucie, great to see you back!! I think you must have the right of it, sounds a much better answer to me, waiting or PW to confirm. I haven't read this bit about Scatha the Worm in an age, is it in UT or elsewhere? All the best R __________________ Rumil of Coedhirion

12-23-2009, 03:23 PM	#3
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Sokath, his eyes uncovered! Oops - wrong mythology. Anyway, Saucepan Man has it, it's Scatha's teeth (from LotR Appendix A II, Rumil) - and very nicely explained, too! As for the stinging bit, my thought was that Fram's gift stung the Dwarves' pride, metaphorically speaking, but Fram's death is another valid connotation; and wreath of thorn was meant as a metaphor for the necklace made of the teeth. Well done, SpM - the thread is yours! __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

02-17-2010, 03:26 PM	#6
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Hi Urwen, welcome to the Downs, and I'll hope you'll enjoy yourself being dead! The usual procedure 'round here is that whoever solved the last riddle gets to post the next, but as SpM has been silent for nearly two months, I'd say the thread is up for grabs, so if you want to, take it. I suggest you just repost your riddle here instead of creating an extra thread for it - or post another one, as you like it. __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI

02-17-2010, 03:32 PM	#7
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Here's my riddle: Three were we reduced to none the first one was slain alone the second one was slain for thing that shone the third one forever was gone. Last edited by Urwen; 02-17-2010 at 03:41 PM.

02-17-2010, 02:41 PM	#4
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	I want to join.

02-17-2010, 03:14 PM	#5
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Can I write a new riddle?

03-02-2010, 05:16 AM	#8
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Nice riddle, couldn't come up with anything smart so far, but I'll keep looking. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

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