Tol-in-Gaurhoth LXVIII: A Full Moon Over Innsmouth - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Roa_Aoife · 10-15-2009, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Both Pitch and Morsul are making me uneasy. I really don't know which is really being truthful. I am tempted to believe Morsul though. I mean think about it, if he was faking it wouldn't he have said that he too had dreamt of SPM?? Just to make it more believable? I don't know it's tough.....

Oh my Hakon. So I was right to vote you yesterDay. You're really going to make me do this aren't you??

I'm the Priest! I've never been the ranger before so I was panicked last Night and protected Pitch, I was too scared to bluff the wolves. I have no idea what I'll do toNight. Oh, and I`ve been using the ring as my symbol on all my posts, to represent the rings that Priests wear when they make their vows.

Therefore Hakon must either be a wolf or the Agent (leaning towards Agent, too bold for a wolf I think). This game has gotten ridiculous.

Sorry to just drop this on you guys, but I really have to get some studying done, just didn`t want Hakon to get away with this.

Ok, had to calm down. Firstly, if Hakon is evil then you just played right into his hands. Secondly, why would you say you protected Pitch last night? You could have bluffed and said you didn't and we could have had the seer one more night.

All these reveals are driving me insane. Gifteds are supposed to be unknown. This is rediculous. I hope the hunter has the common sense to stay quiet.

Morsul the Dark · 10-15-2009, 05:33 PM

Sorry Roa I wanted to stay quiet but I couldn't let Pitch get away with this I mean we'd be crazy to protect him like that.

Roa_Aoife · 10-15-2009, 05:39 PM

Morsul, Pitch would have been killed had he survived much longer than a revealed seer should. If you're really the seer then all you've done is reveal yourself to the wolves.

Pitch also handed us a wolf. You handed us two innocents which are the easiest thing for a trickster to reveal. Because if you're a wolf then you know who's innocent. If you say a gifted is innocent, they'd assume you were just trying to hide their real role as an act of protection. An Agent can't fail, because no way is a wolf declared innocent gonna say that they're not. As for handing over a wolf?

Pitch is either a bumbling Agent, a bold wolf who's plan cannot possibly succeed, or the real dreamer. The odds are with a dreamer, because I have never seen a baddie pretending to be a seer claim that they know a wolf.

Roa_Aoife · 10-15-2009, 05:49 PM

Also, to the village as a whole:

The real ranger and seer will be killed by the wolves. I tried leaving a revealed ranger alive in a game to freak people out, and it bit me in the... well you know what I mean. It's tactic that's overly bold, even for me. So I say we leave Hakon and Wilwa alone. The real ranger can continue in their duties and the fake one can attempt their shenanigans and the real one will be killed. So, Hakon, if you are the ranger, protect Pitch. Wilwa, if you are the ranger, protect Morsul.

As for the seers, well the wolves would be really foolish to leave the real seer alive to continue dreaming. Which means that every day Morsul and Pitch are still alive, the should post their dreams. If either finds a wolf, we lynch the "wolf." If it's a real wolf, hooray, we killed a real wolf. If not we know who the liar is. If it's an innocent, well, when the real seer dies we will have a list of known innocents.

Logically, one of the seers is the Agent and one of the rangers is a wolf.

Everyone else, I highly doubt there is more than one wolf in the mix. Definitely the agent, a wolf, and two gifteds. Which mean that there is still a wolf out there. Let's let this mess sort it out, because it will, and move on to finding the other wolf hiding in all of this chaos.

Edit: Edit crossed and bolding. Wilwa, if you doubt Pitch then you think Morsul is the seer so don't protect yourself. If you're really the ranger and you die, then we can catch Hakon. Don't protect yourself- it only helps you and not the rest of us.

Inziladun · 10-15-2009, 06:11 PM

Where's Sally when you need her? *headdesk*

I think of the two Priest claimants, Hakon would be the more likely fraud, since there was *no* legitimate reason for him to have revealed.

Hakon · 10-15-2009, 06:20 PM

I knew I was at a risk of being lynched. If you people lynch me we will have a lot of issues like no more ranger. Wilwa is faking. I never thought something like this would happen. I am protecting Pitch tonight as I have already stated and Wilwa is not protecting anyone since she will be coming after me with her pack mates.

++Wilwa

Roa_Aoife · 10-15-2009, 06:23 PM

Nogrod
Post 1- Remarks that people have nothing to comment on because no one is doing anything. Suggestion of finding some meaning.

Okay. I agree with him, and I don’t see a problem here.

Post 2- Suggests that one of the first posters must be a wolf. Wonders why no one can make a case against them. Makes a case against each of them himself.

I don’t believe these were serious suspicions, but instead a means of stirring the pot and getting people to react. Others have said that he’s suggesting others be controversial while he isn’t, but he just made up suspicions against 8 players before a third of the Day was over. So he’s actually being quite controversial. Of course, his suggestion that we go for the nice people conveniently excludes him as a candidate.

Post 3- Says people shouldn’t be afraid of getting lynched. Wants people to say their thoughts out loud. Believe’s there’s much to be said now. Response to Wilwa, insinuates she a wolf

I don’t see other people’s reasoning here that he’s not following his own advice as he clearly is. What I do see is that he says wilwa is saying what sounds wise but not following through, which is what wolves do. So he essentially implies wilwa is acting like a wolf without directly saying so.

Post 4- Explains the difference between having meta-game reasons for suspecting someone and using those reasons as an argument for a vote, thinks Lari’s comment about Wilwa looks like one wolf trying to protect another. Shares Legate’s suspicions of Nienna

The whole Lari thing- he says that he “thinks” some suspicions had been raised against Wilwa, when he himself started raising them, albeit subtly, and then tries to fit in a comment made by Lari taken out of context and twisted a bit to fit in with this. I find this to be a very subtle attempt to start swaying suspicion towards Wilwa, which would be especially sinister given his previous statements about people saying what they think. He keeps insinuating Wilwa’s guilt without ever following through.

Post 5- Response to SPM, says his and SPM’s suspicions have the same level of solidness, compares his suspicion of Nienna with SPM’s suspicion of Loslote.

He admits his case against Nienna is weak, which is perfectly fine, given Day 1. However, he seems far more convinced about Lari and Wilwa. Also, this looks like “nudgenudgewinkwink, look at us making up cases…” He seems to find nothing suspicious in what SPM was doing to Loslote, nor does he see SPM’s double standard (that he just pointed out) as suspicious. What happened to being controversial?

Post 6- Says he suspects Nienna, Wilwa, and Lari, brushes off the Wilwa suspicion by saying that just because she told people to talk when they have nothing to say is no reason to suspect her. But Lari’s sudden defense of wilwa made him raise his eyebrows, thinks Nienna’s explanation may be genuine but looks overly defensive. Votes Nienna

So, he subtly raised the suspicion of Wilwa and just as subtly distanced himself from it. He makes a bigger point about Lari’s “sudden defense” of Wilwa (which was just a line in a list of people she thought innocent) and her “actual points” about it (which was her explaining herself to Nogrod after he asked about it.) Further more, he's barely mentioned Nienna while he's mentioned Wilwa three times, and seems to be very concerned over this Lari thing, but he votes Nienna anyways.

On the whole, it’s his case against Wilwa and Lari that make him look the most suspicious. Whether Wilwa is an innocent or a wolf, the subtlety in his case after telling people to speak their minds and stir things up is highly suspicious.

Roa_Aoife · 10-15-2009, 06:30 PM

I have to finish a paper that's due in the morning, so I'll be back on later, probably with more analysis and such.

It's been a while since I played a game with McCaber, but he wouldn't pull a Fea on us, would he?

wilwarin538 · 10-15-2009, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

Ok, had to calm down. Firstly, if Hakon is evil then you just played right into his hands. Secondly, why would you say you protected Pitch last night? You could have bluffed and said you didn't and we could have had the seer one more night.

I know I know

. I posted that then got off the computer to study for a bit, and I realised afterwards I should have never said who I protected, so I came back on. Besides, I'm not even positive Pitch is the dreamer, it could be Morsul. But it's so obvious to me that Hakon is evil, I just wanted it to be out there so we can definitely get a baddie today. I could always protect myself toNight and then get another protection (that only I know about) the following Night, or something. Like I said, I've never played this role before, so I'm not used to it.

10-15-2009, 05:33 PM	#2
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	Sorry Roa I wanted to stay quiet but I couldn't let Pitch get away with this I mean we'd be crazy to protect him like that. __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

10-15-2009, 05:39 PM	#3
Roa_Aoife Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it. Posts: 1,696	Morsul, Pitch would have been killed had he survived much longer than a revealed seer should. If you're really the seer then all you've done is reveal yourself to the wolves. Pitch also handed us a wolf. You handed us two innocents which are the easiest thing for a trickster to reveal. Because if you're a wolf then you know who's innocent. If you say a gifted is innocent, they'd assume you were just trying to hide their real role as an act of protection. An Agent can't fail, because no way is a wolf declared innocent gonna say that they're not. As for handing over a wolf? Pitch is either a bumbling Agent, a bold wolf who's plan cannot possibly succeed, or the real dreamer. The odds are with a dreamer, because I have never seen a baddie pretending to be a seer claim that they know a wolf. __________________ We can't all be Roas* when it comes to analysing...* -Lommy I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating. -Nerwen

10-15-2009, 05:49 PM	#4
Roa_Aoife Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it. Posts: 1,696	Also, to the village as a whole: The real ranger and seer will be killed by the wolves. I tried leaving a revealed ranger alive in a game to freak people out, and it bit me in the... well you know what I mean. It's tactic that's overly bold, even for me. So I say we leave Hakon and Wilwa alone. The real ranger can continue in their duties and the fake one can attempt their shenanigans and the real one will be killed. So, Hakon, if you are the ranger, protect Pitch. Wilwa, if you are the ranger, protect Morsul. As for the seers, well the wolves would be really foolish to leave the real seer alive to continue dreaming. Which means that every day Morsul and Pitch are still alive, the should post their dreams. If either finds a wolf, we lynch the "wolf." If it's a real wolf, hooray, we killed a real wolf. If not we know who the liar is. If it's an innocent, well, when the real seer dies we will have a list of known innocents. Logically, one of the seers is the Agent and one of the rangers is a wolf. Everyone else, I highly doubt there is more than one wolf in the mix. Definitely the agent, a wolf, and two gifteds. Which mean that there is still a wolf out there. Let's let this mess sort it out, because it will, and move on to finding the other wolf hiding in all of this chaos. Edit: Edit crossed and bolding. Wilwa, if you doubt Pitch then you think Morsul is the seer so don't protect yourself. If you're really the ranger and you die, then we can catch Hakon. Don't protect yourself- it only helps you and not the rest of us. __________________ We can't all be Roas* when it comes to analysing...* -Lommy I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating. -Nerwen Last edited by Roa_Aoife; 10-15-2009 at 05:53 PM.

10-15-2009, 06:11 PM	#5
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,040	Where's Sally when you need her? headdesk I think of the two Priest claimants, Hakon would be the more likely fraud, since there was no legitimate reason for him to have revealed. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

10-15-2009, 06:20 PM	#6
Hakon Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Twilight Zone Posts: 736	I knew I was at a risk of being lynched. If you people lynch me we will have a lot of issues like no more ranger. Wilwa is faking. I never thought something like this would happen. I am protecting Pitch tonight as I have already stated and Wilwa is not protecting anyone since she will be coming after me with her pack mates. ++Wilwa __________________ Medicine for the soul. ~Inscription over the door of the Library at Thebes

10-15-2009, 06:23 PM	#7
Roa_Aoife Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it. Posts: 1,696	Nogrod Post 1- Remarks that people have nothing to comment on because no one is doing anything. Suggestion of finding some meaning. Okay. I agree with him, and I don’t see a problem here. Post 2- Suggests that one of the first posters must be a wolf. Wonders why no one can make a case against them. Makes a case against each of them himself. I don’t believe these were serious suspicions, but instead a means of stirring the pot and getting people to react. Others have said that he’s suggesting others be controversial while he isn’t, but he just made up suspicions against 8 players before a third of the Day was over. So he’s actually being quite controversial. Of course, his suggestion that we go for the nice people conveniently excludes him as a candidate. Post 3- Says people shouldn’t be afraid of getting lynched. Wants people to say their thoughts out loud. Believe’s there’s much to be said now. Response to Wilwa, insinuates she a wolf I don’t see other people’s reasoning here that he’s not following his own advice as he clearly is. What I do see is that he says wilwa is saying what sounds wise but not following through, which is what wolves do. So he essentially implies wilwa is acting like a wolf without directly saying so. Post 4- Explains the difference between having meta-game reasons for suspecting someone and using those reasons as an argument for a vote, thinks Lari’s comment about Wilwa looks like one wolf trying to protect another. Shares Legate’s suspicions of Nienna The whole Lari thing- he says that he “thinks” some suspicions had been raised against Wilwa, when he himself started raising them, albeit subtly, and then tries to fit in a comment made by Lari taken out of context and twisted a bit to fit in with this. I find this to be a very subtle attempt to start swaying suspicion towards Wilwa, which would be especially sinister given his previous statements about people saying what they think. He keeps insinuating Wilwa’s guilt without ever following through. Post 5- Response to SPM, says his and SPM’s suspicions have the same level of solidness, compares his suspicion of Nienna with SPM’s suspicion of Loslote. He admits his case against Nienna is weak, which is perfectly fine, given Day 1. However, he seems far more convinced about Lari and Wilwa. Also, this looks like “nudgenudgewinkwink, look at us making up cases…” He seems to find nothing suspicious in what SPM was doing to Loslote, nor does he see SPM’s double standard (that he just pointed out) as suspicious. What happened to being controversial? Post 6- Says he suspects Nienna, Wilwa, and Lari, brushes off the Wilwa suspicion by saying that just because she told people to talk when they have nothing to say is no reason to suspect her. But Lari’s sudden defense of wilwa made him raise his eyebrows, thinks Nienna’s explanation may be genuine but looks overly defensive. Votes Nienna So, he subtly raised the suspicion of Wilwa and just as subtly distanced himself from it. He makes a bigger point about Lari’s “sudden defense” of Wilwa (which was just a line in a list of people she thought innocent) and her “actual points” about it (which was her explaining herself to Nogrod after he asked about it.) Further more, he's barely mentioned Nienna while he's mentioned Wilwa three times, and seems to be very concerned over this Lari thing, but he votes Nienna anyways. On the whole, it’s his case against Wilwa and Lari that make him look the most suspicious. Whether Wilwa is an innocent or a wolf, the subtlety in his case after telling people to speak their minds and stir things up is highly suspicious. __________________ We can't all be Roas* when it comes to analysing...* -Lommy I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating. -Nerwen

10-15-2009, 06:30 PM	#8
Roa_Aoife Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Someday, I'll rule all of it. Posts: 1,696	I have to finish a paper that's due in the morning, so I'll be back on later, probably with more analysis and such. It's been a while since I played a game with McCaber, but he wouldn't pull a Fea on us, would he? __________________ We can't all be Roas* when it comes to analysing...* -Lommy I didn't say you're evil, Roa, I said you're exasperating. -Nerwen

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