Tol-in-Gaurhoth LXVIII: A Full Moon Over Innsmouth

[Loslote]

Well, so far Day 1 is not off to a very good start. Where is everyone?

Deadline is pretty awful for me, too. It's about 8 in the morning...and I've got school. So I won't be on anywhere near deadline first and probably second Days, but third Day should be good...though I'll likely be dead by then...

[Lariren Shadow]

Just popping in for a bit, taking a break from reading for class.

Interesting SPM to say that toDay we should all play our parts. At the moment I'm going to assume you mean as a village to try to get the wolves, which we all want to do.

While I'm all for analization and finding suspicion Day 1s tend to not be a good place to look for them, until Day 2.

I do agree with Wilwa about possibly being optimistic and that maybe we can get a wolf on Day 1! And I would also like to not lynch the Seer, I've seen that happen in far to many games recently.

I'll be around later, not sure when I'm going to vote as deadline is 9 AM my time.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Lariren Shadow

I'm all for analization

That is an interesting concept for the new cosmology... we may need to study that further...

Originally Posted by Legate

Let's see what happens in a few hours. This far, I don't have any particular feelings on anybody...

Well, of course you don't as no one has done anything.

So think of a detective.... How does one get to start making conclusions? Well, when there is data to build the deductions on. And are there any right now? No.

It's so sad a student of parallel universes has to tell you this universe is dull and void...

And without meaning.

Unless we find some. Let me see...

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

That is an interesting concept for the new cosmology... we may need to study that further...

I missed that one.

[wilwarin538]

Hmm, a bit more talking, I like this.

Why can't someone just say something blatanly suspicious so that the rest of us have something to talk about??

Does anyone else adore the fact that McCaber used the word "macabre" in his narration? I think that's amazing....It's like me using the words "ill warrant" or "will war" or something.... [/crazy randomness]


So the thing about Day 1s is that while we're in it they are really mostly useless, there's no one to really suspect and not really much info to go on, we basically just all pick someone random to vote for and try our hardest to find some logical reason for it (I know, no one likes to say their vote is random, but honestly most of the time it is, cause really, there's barely anything on anyone). But Day 1s are sooo useful on Day 2s, therefore we should all help ourselves out and post anyway, even if we have nothing to say or add. Just so that toMorrow we'll have something on everyone!

See, I just posted something that didn't really contain anything overly new/useful, but now tomorrow someone will have something to analyse regarding me.

Now no one should have an excuse for not posting.....

(I had a lovely day, so if I sound a bit weirder then usual it's cause I'm a tad happier then usual)

x'posted with Nog, list!!!!

[Morsul the Dark]

This is my first time so maybe my reasoning skills are still being tuned but:

I say we lynch Nienna for a few reasons, firstly she acts far too innocent to be also notice Mccab put quotes around innocent Hmm a slip on our mods part?

although Pitwife and kitanna find the note first is a bit odd as well... but I caan't say that Means anything yet

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Why can't someone just say something blatanly suspicious so that the rest of us have something to talk about??

Why wouldn't you do it Wilwa?

And I actually mean it whatever your role is. If you get lynched early because of what you say but thus help us others to spot a wolf you'll be a hero. So be brave and open your mind! Why can't you?

And anyway, why will not everyone say things aloud?

Okay the first posters are a thing in themselves as there is nothing to build any opinios on but already now I think there is a lot to be said (which I have kind of tried to exemplify in my last post).

So there are no more excuses to say just "hello", "have a good Day" or "let's get those bastards"...

That's like over and done with.

Originally Posted by wilwa

So the thing about Day 1s is that while we're in it they are really mostly useless, there's no one to really suspect and not really much info to go on, we basically just all pick someone random to vote for and try our hardest to find some logical reason for it (I know, no one likes to say their vote is random, but honestly most of the time it is, cause really, there's barely anything on anyone). But Day 1s are sooo useful on Day 2s, therefore we should all help ourselves out and post anyway

It would be much better if you actually said something yourself and not just called for others to say something - as reasonable as that call is in itself.

The wolves love to take that kind of a posture: say what is wise but not expose their own necks to actually do that which they think the others should do...

Okay. Sleep for me as well now but I'll be back later in the Day...

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Why wouldn't you do it Wilwa?

And I actually mean it whatever your role is. If you get lynched early because of what you say but thus help us others to spot a wolf you'll be a hero. So be brave and open your mind! Why can't you?

Ahaha, you'd just love that so much wouldn't you Noggy??? But no, I'm not gonna get to play again for a long time so I'm gonna hold on for as long as possible and get the most out of this game. No way am I gonna make it obvious that I'm a wolf just to make you're life easier.....oops .

Originally Posted by Nogrod

It would be much better if you actually said something yourself and not just called for others to say something - as reasonable as that call is in itself.

I was simply making a point that no one can make the excuse "I didn't post cause I had nothing new to add". I posted and had nothing new to add, therefore everyone can. Something useless is still better then nothing at all.

Obviously I wasn't going to leave it at that and then vanish. That'd be silly. I will be coming on a few more time throughout the Day.

But for now I need badly to do some homework, so I'm going to go for a bit and then come back in about half an hour, ish. Hopefully have something useful to add by then.

x'posted with a few

[Craydon1]

So I'm getting that Day 1s are a little slow. Fair enough. Most of my post will be between 5-10 cst which means I won't have much last min input since the deadline is when I'm at work. Hmmmm....oh before I forget Roa is currently on a plane home, so if she doesn't get a post in today that's why. As for giving people something to analyze, what if we figured out a question (or a few) that people could answer that would show something about themselves. Now these questions don't have to be blunt (ex If you happened to be a werewolf, who would you kill?), but something that opens you up for examination. I'll give an example and answer it: What, based on the role you have (publicly) in the town, would you have been doing last night that would make it impossible for you to be a werewolf? Now my answer: I would have been playing my guitar outside a tavern well into the night to try to get enough change for a room or a meal. Just a suggestion to give people something to work with.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Craydon1

As for giving people something to analyze, what if we figured out a question (or a few) that people could answer that would show something about themselves. Now these questions don't have to be blunt (ex If you happened to be a werewolf, who would you kill?), but something that opens you up for examination. I'll give an example and answer it: What, based on the role you have (publicly) in the town, would you have been doing last night that would make it impossible for you to be a werewolf? Now my answer: I would have been playing my guitar outside a tavern well into the night to try to get enough change for a room or a meal. Just a suggestion to give people something to work with.

Actually, not a bad idea. This gives people a 'reason' to post (answering one problem) and gives other players a chance to see your writing style.

I'd be finishing the hemming and embroidery on the skirt of a dress. The intricate stitching kept me up for a long time, and when I was finished, I was too tired to do anything but sleep.

[Pitchwife]

Speaking of being distracted by other duties - much as I regret it, I'll have to withdraw from this investigation for a while, as I've got to prepare the music for our next Black Mass*. Received a score from Paris the other day which I hope to transcript for the organ - fascinating material, penned by none other than the great Erich Zann shortly before his mysterious death; that should make a worthy offering to our Father Dagon and Mother Hydra, don't you agree? But I'll be back some hours before the Day ends. Till then, may He Who Dwelleth In The Deep bless your efforts!

(*read: get some sleep before work)

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

So think of a detective.... How does one get to start making conclusions? Well, when there is data to build the deductions on. And are there any right now? No.

Not a lot to go on, my dear cosmologist, no. Thus far, everyone seems a bit cagey as if afraid to put a foot (or a fin ... or even a paw perhaps) wrong. But there are a few things that have caught my attention.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Surely you must be aware, Mr Sauce, that in this town scales and webbed fingers are a mark of respectable descent, and fishy is actually a synonym for 'trustworthy'? Or do you prefer fur and claws?

I am also aware that scales and webbed hands may hide fur and claws. A perfect disguise, surely, in a village such as this. And yet you seem rather eager to defend Inzil and accuse me, Pitchwife. Did I perhaps hit a raw nerve in my random burblings?

Originally Posted by Larien Shadow

Interesting SPM to say that toDay we should all play our parts. At the moment I'm going to assume you mean as a village to try to get the wolves, which we all want to do.

What else would I mean? And what a strange comment. I am not quite sure what to make of it, but I will be keeping an eye on you.

Originally Posted by Little Green

As for what comes to taking or not taking kindly to people who are quiet, well, we're back to the traditional loud-quiet debate, and I stand where I always do: different people play with different styles, and I know of no one who would have the authority to define what is enough contribution and what isn't.

Just to be clear. I was not suggesting that we should lynch people for their playing style. I was (and am) saying that I will have no patience for those who look like they are trying to lay low to avoid attention.

Originally Posted by Inzil

There is a difference between adhering to a particular style, and being a non-entity that slips quietly through the cracks.

Quite so. And its the latter types that I will have no truck with.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Let me show you an example at this time of the Day...

Yes, good work and all that, Noggie old chap. And yet, you have simply given a reason for suspecting everyone who has posted thus far. Which might in itself be considered Wolfish behaviour, as you are seen to be making accusations (not 'nice' behaviour, to use your phrase) while remaining entirely non-committal (as between those you have discussed) at the same time.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

So let's do the town a favour and not lynch the controversial people but a nice one.

The wolwes need to be nice, we don't. The wolves don't need to find the culprits, we have to do that.

But this I agree with. It is in a Wolf's interests to appear reasonable and helpful, to align itself with the majority, and to avoid drawing to much attention to itself.

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

I say we lynch Nienna for a few reasons, firstly she acts far too innocent to be also notice Mccab put quotes around innocent Hmm a slip on our mods part?

Heh heh. I think that we ought perhaps to credit the poor departed mod with a little more sense. Not that I would discount Nienna from consideration of course. Her one contribution thus far was very 'nice', as Noggie puts it.

[Hakon]

I am going to have to vote in the next hour or two. I don't have time to get on tomorrow morning and deadline is while I am at school. My vote will most likely be whoever comes off as most suspicious in my opinion.

[Morsul the Dark]

While I have already casted my vote Prematurely it seems(I claim Rookie) Given more thought

Pitchwife and Kitana "discovered" the note

Nerwen was the one by the blood and bones

Nienna again maybe she is an innocent ashamed by her other half?

Legate seems learned in Werewolf lore an anatomy..

Hmm... I should have thought about this more before voting...

by the by I noticed people posting their votes in Red how do I do that?

[Pitchwife]

Present and reading. The village seems to have woken up, and I'll need a while to catch up with everything, but while I'm at it -

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

And yet you seem rather eager to defend Inzil and accuse me, Pitchwife.

No, merely commenting on your words regardless of who they referred to. If I'd seriously defend Zil, odds are he'd turn out a wolf - it's a fact of experience.
As for Cray's question, I was soundly asleep, dreaming of the glories that await us in many-columned Y'ha-nthlei after the final transformation...

[Nogrod]

Let's take the infamous rule that one of the first posters is a wolf as they have a desire to be active...So SPaM, Pitchie, Inzil, Loslote...?

I would be surpriesed indeed if one of them was not a wolf but then again being among the first ones to post should not be a reason to lynch anyone on any Day as such.

Anyway, shouldn't you guys be able to make even one case against someone so that we could get actually started?


Let me show you an example at this time of the Day... (sad it is but it's something compared to what you have done this far)

SPM is just so nice (and a perfect cover making that funny list and all) - but as he has not been around for years I would not like to suggest lynching him toDay on that... Be there real reasons it'd be different.

I get a bit disturbing feeling from Pitchie's first post. It feels like he tries to look like a critical and autonomous person but still rubbing Spm the right way... Also the way he praises Greenie for great points looks more like trying to make friends than actually giving a verdict on something to the benefit of the townsfolk. So slightly worrying.

Inzil manages to post thrice to say nothing in particular. Suspicious.

Loslote looks either lost (with time?) or just pure evil. Nienna looks no better...

But Wilwa then? All the showed optimism and the explanations of not being around all the time... Just what a wolf would write... keeping up appearances, you know?

Lari I'm a bit baffled about as she says basically the same the others before her but I'm not as suspicious of her. Maybe that means she actually is a baddie?

I always suspect Greenie - and she is always a bad girl! Now this much praised talk of the general terms is just what an intelligent wolf would do. Stay on the abstract level and speak of things people would like to hear and agree on. The most basic wolf-tactics...

Legate seems a bit disinterested as well. Nothing to go for without some toil, sure but maybe he's being too easy?

The thing fitting for every wolf: the more we just keep on saying "hi there, nice to meet you" or "let's kill the bastards"; or taking the meta-level in the beginning like "the quiet ones can be productive / should be lynched immediately"; or just plain refusing to "open the game" with any suspicions...

So let's do the town a favour and not lynch the controversial people but a nice one.

The wolwes need to be nice, we don't. The wolves don't need to find the culprits, we have to do that.

They can rub you the right way anyrime, we can't afford that with anyone.

Think about that unless you had more important things to think about...

[A Little Green]

Hello friends! I am here, obviously I have not much to say except that SPM looks disturbing and Inziladun looks fishy, and that's about the worst joke ever and not even new. I find it sort of funny that the posts this far have been pretty much people repeating and repeating that we have to be active and contributing. Of course there is the basic Day 1 problem of where to start the discussion in the first place.

As for what comes to taking or not taking kindly to people who are quiet, well, we're back to the traditional loud-quiet debate, and I stand where I always do: different people play with different styles, and I know of no one who would have the authority to define what is enough contribution and what isn't. Still, I don't of course cherish the kind of "pop in, vote, disappear" -tactic unless you're really really busy, and I think everyone should contribute as much as they can. Some people just have less to say (like me), a briefer way of phrasing their thoughts, or less time on their hands. Those, I think, should not be reasons for not taking kindly to people. Making no effort, on the other hand, should.


EDIT: x-ed with Lari!!! I x-ed with someone! Wonderful!

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Lari

I do agree with Wilwa about possibly being optimistic and that maybe we can get a wolf on Day 1! And I would also like to not lynch the Seer, I've seen that happen in far to many games recently.

Exactly. I think we often forget that it's actually possible to lynch a wolf on Day 1. We easily fall into thinking that Day 1 is a hopeless case and that we're bound to lynch an innocent (or the Seer). That, of course, is a most unhelpful attitude. We definitely have a chance of catching a wolf toDay and we should not forget that.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Hello, I am not going to call you friends, but that's not what we expect from the others in this city anyway, do we.

Originally Posted by Nienna

I also agree that everyone should participate to their fullest. I'm not the biggest fan of Day Ones but we have to make of it what we will. The village hasn't been doing its best on Day Ones recently and we have to change that streak.

That's a good thing to point out, though of course it needs more than words to change it. Anyway, I guess let's see till more people post. The time has not probably yet come for most to post, and the darkness that creeps threateningly upon the shores of New England and strange omens above America's cities will rouse more of their inhabitants.

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

I personally think that aslong as whoever we lynch is not the seer, we'll already be better off then the villagers in some recent games. Besides, statistically it's pretty unlikely that another seer will be lynched Day 1, so I'm already starting off very optimistic. We'll get a wolfy we will!!!

Statistically or not, let us note that it did happen in the several last games, statistic or not. Though I guess it is more of a matter of group mentality. And bad luck. Basically, it is too random to determine. Of course it is the matter for everybody to try to prevent that from happening.

Originally Posted by A Little Green

I find it sort of funny that the posts this far have been pretty much people repeating and repeating that we have to be active and contributing. Of course there is the basic Day 1 problem of where to start the discussion in the first place.

That's probably the most substantial point this far, but on the other hand, well, what can we do on first Day. Let's see what happens in a few hours. This far, I don't have any particular feelings on anybody... it could be more interesting once people start to post more (cf. above).

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Exactly. I think we often forget that it's actually possible to lynch a wolf on Day 1. We easily fall into thinking that Day 1 is a hopeless case and that we're bound to lynch an innocent (or the Seer). That, of course, is a most unhelpful attitude. We definitely have a chance of catching a wolf toDay and we should not forget that.

Yea, let's show some hope, my foul despair-bound comrades...

Now I will just crawl back into my dark gloomy cottage on the black hill whereupon the stars loom hauntingly in the night and the red Aldebaran leers over the horizon like some blasphemous eye chanting a forbidden song, and let the terrible Nogrod take the horrifying square-shaped machine which is flickering with is hideous lights into the darkness of this haunted room so that he can post something, if he will.

[Pitchwife]

Hear, hear! Our ex-soldier may be blind, but thank Cthulhu she's not dumb, and she speaks sooth. In fact, I'd say this was the most substantial contribution up to now.
As for the loud/quiet-debate - of course everyone should make an effort to participate to the fullest, but exactly how much everybody's fullest amounts to may and does vary from person to person. It's difficult to distinguish between a naturally quiet citizen, somebody distracted by menial duties, and a lurking wolf; in case of doubt, content should be considered as much as word count.
(By the way, it just occurs to me that the hallowed First Commandment According To Nogrod, "Thou shalt not suffer a submarine to live!", is somewhat problematic to apply in a setting where all of us - except for the wolves - aspire to becoming submarines in the end...)

(x-ed with Legate)