T-I-G LXVII: The Rangers of the North - The Fell Winter

[Gwathagor]

Ha, here's an idea - Legate, I'd be interested to hear you summarize what Roa's arguments against you are. It would be informative to hear your perspective on it. Plus I'm lazy and don't feel like trying to find the original posts.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Ha, here's an idea - Legate, I'd be interested to hear you summarize what Roa's arguments against you are. It would be informative to hear your perspective on it. Plus I'm lazy and don't feel like trying to find the original posts.

(EDITEDIT - sorry, misread - what I am replying to here is MY points against Roa)

Okay, you have one point right above - well, will it be enough if I linked you to one post of mine where I say it all? Or at least I think most has been said in one particular post... I will find it...

EDIT: okay, it's basically my post #450. That sums up the most things, as that is where I brought my points into the open. But the post above is equally important.

EDITEDIT: Oh sorry. I misread. You meant what is MY perspective about ROA's points against ME? Okay. Wait a while!

[Gwathagor]

Regarding post #486, Legate - ok, interesting, but isn't that a little complicated??

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Regarding post #486, Legate - ok, interesting, but isn't that a little complicated??

Well, you mean the possible "plan"? Well, not really. It might be just a random shot - from the Wolves' part. It's really not any complicated, it's rather plain logic. If somebody got the "plop" idea, adding two and two from the rules, it's quite easy to use it the way I said, I think.

At least anyway it's what I thought of. Roa is clever player, so I have no problem with imagining that it could be something she might think of.

[Nienna]

Here is the voting for Day One and Day Two

Known innocents are in italics, known wolves are underlined.

BORO
Guard: Inzil
Captain: Rune
Lynch: Lommy

SALLY
Guard: Valier; Kath
Captain: Legate; Nienna
Lynch: Rune; Lottie

GREENIE
Guard: No-one; Kath
Captain: Legate; Nienna
Lynch: Hakon; Valier

INZIL (ORDO)
Guard: Boro
Captain: Rune
Lynch: Hakon

ROA
Guard: Brinn; Gwath
Captain: Legate; Lommy
Lynch: Rune; Legate

NERWEN
Guard: Kath; Sally
Captain: Roa; Nienna
Lynch: Boro; Lottie

LOSLOTE
Guard: Boro
Captain: Rune
Lynch: Nienna

RUNE (WEREWOLF)
Guard: Valier
Captain: Himself!
Lynch: Legate

VALIER (COBBLER)
Guard: Roa; Lommy
Captain: Rune; Legate
Lynch: Loslote; Lottie

FEA
Guard: Nienna; Lommy
Captain: Roa; Roa
Lynch: Hakon; didn’t vote

NIENNA
Guard: Roa; Nerwen
Captain: Legate; Legate
Lynch: Rune; Valier

LOMMY
Guard: Valier; Nerwen
Captain: Roa; Roa
Lynch: Kath; Vailier

HAKON (MASTER HUNTER)
Guard: Brinn
Captain: Legate
Lynch: Rune

MAC (BERSERK HUNTER)
Guard: Kath (switched from earlier vote for Brinn)
Captain: Roa (switched from earlier vote for Kath)
Lynch: Hakon

LEGATE
Guard: Nienna; Nerwen
Captain: No-one; Nienna
Lynch: Lommy; didn’t vote

KATH
Didn't vote. Either day.

GWATHAGOR
Guard: Didn’t vote; Lommy
Captain: Didn’t vote; Didn't vote
Lynch: Didn’t vote; Boro Late

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, so you are asking, what is my perspective on Roa's points against me?

I have more or less been replying to it in the particular cases, so I really cannot sum it up. But more or less what was recurring was that she said I was "keeping repeating that Rune is innocent" (which I didn't, I said that "he could be innocent Rune" or something like that maybe once or twice, but mainly I just kept saying that I'm uncomfortable with lynching him, which is not the same, and the reasons for why I said that see below), "pushing myself for being a Captain" (not true, never said that), "having no real opinion" (or something of that sort, which I don't really understand) and that's probably it.

All in all, everything she brought against me can be described in one word: shallow. And I mean, really. It is no real case at all, and unless she voted me, I would not have even considered it anything "serious". I mean - if I was completely different player and been watching her saying this about another player, it would have seemed to me that she is just randomly babbling on the person's address. Neither of that is what I would call "a serious case". Like, I think she didn't even try to make any association of me with any Nightly kills, or try to provide my connection to some bandwagons or whatever. The thing which is closest to "proper" suspicion in her case would be my "support" for Rune (as she says it, whereas I have been discouraging people from voting Rune for Captain). Otherwise, like I said, I consider it rather "unserious" way of suspecting.

What I dislike of her accusations is her "dodging" - she never comments on my explanations (like that I was worried that Rune might be a Hunter and since he voted me, I was worried that he might target me and that is why I didn't dare to vote him) and seems to completely disregard them, pass them, let them be forgotten, and then she brings again the same case or makes a different one.

Well, hope that's enough for you.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Okay, so you are asking, what is my perspective on Roa's points against me?

I have more or less been replying to it in the particular cases, so I really cannot sum it up. But more or less what was recurring was that she said I was "keeping repeating that Rune is innocent" (which I didn't, I said that "he could be innocent Rune" or something like that maybe once or twice, but mainly I just kept saying that I'm uncomfortable with lynching him, which is not the same, and the reasons for why I said that see below), "pushing myself for being a Captain" (not true, never said that), "having no real opinion" (or something of that sort, which I don't really understand) and that's probably it.

All in all, everything she brought against me can be described in one word: shallow. And I mean, really. It is no real case at all, and unless she voted me, I would not have even considered it anything "serious". I mean - if I was completely different player and been watching her saying this about another player, it would have seemed to me that she is just randomly babbling on the person's address. Neither of that is what I would call "a serious case". Like, I think she didn't even try to make any association of me with any Nightly kills, or try to provide my connection to some bandwagons or whatever. The thing which is closest to "proper" suspicion in her case would be my "support" for Rune (as she says it, whereas I have been discouraging people from voting Rune for Captain). Otherwise, like I said, I consider it rather "unserious" way of suspecting.

What I dislike of her accusations is her "dodging" - she never comments on my explanations (like that I was worried that Rune might be a Hunter and since he voted me, I was worried that he might target me and that is why I didn't dare to vote him) and seems to completely disregard them, pass them, let them be forgotten, and then she brings again the same case or makes a different one.

Well, hope that's enough for you.

It is. I read one of her major posts against you, and, to be honest, if she's representing what you said accurately, then I think that she's right in saying you're largely inconcrete, that many of your posts are long without saying much, and that you seem to inconsistently come down on both sides of an issue. However, I disagree with her in that I don't think it makes you look suspicious. If it was someone else, maybe, but I think that in your case it's just your playing style. You play WW like a philosopher: lots of words, lots of apparent contradictions, lots of questions - but not so many answers. As far as I'm concerned, you're ok for now.

[Gwathagor]

And I think Roa is nitpicking. She's fixated on Legate being guilty.

[Gwathagor]

++Lommy for Captain

One of the few players who I feel pretty sure about.

++Loslote for Night-Guard

Here, quiet player, here's a chance to do some more. (I'm one to talk, right?)

[Nienna]

Sally wanted me to inform everyone that she had car trouble and it doesn't look like she will make it back for deadline.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

You play WW like a philosopher: lots of words, lots of apparent contradictions, lots of questions - but not so many answers.

Okay, I am taking this as a compliment, as actually I kind of see myself in that answer People usually don't get, or don't like me for that. Unrelated to the in-game-view, you pleased me with that

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

And I think Roa is nitpicking. She's fixated on Legate being guilty.

Well, that's actually well phrased. My concern, again when I think of that, is just again how could it be that innocent Roa would do that - I mean, she's a clever player, so if she was innocent, why to be so determined.