Tol-in-Gaurhoth Threefold and Six: The Night Guard

[A Little Green]

Thanks Nienna! That cleared things up a bit.

Lynch votes Nog and guards me but mentions that she isn’t throwing away her guard vote completely… this is odd.

The reasoning behind that was as simple as to guard-vote someone who has already received votes. It's no good if the votes spread out too much. You had already been voted and I thought you seemed innocent and sharp and thus ended up voting you.

Thinks that even though we can’t be certain of Nog’s guilt we should still pay attention to him … wolf trying to get another easy lynch??, then she doesn’t like Nerwen and her vote for Zil… it looks like she could be trying to get the heat off of her mate.

Well I still think that though Nog is now proven innocent it was rather alarming how people seemed to forget considering him as an option, since we had, at that time, no evidence whatsoever of his innocence. It would hardly have been pushing for an easy lynch, mentioning the possible wolvery of a player no one suspected. As for Nerwen's vote, my dislike for it was not due to who the vote was directed to but the fact that she voted Zil and pretty much said she hoped others wouldn't follow her in that. Voting someone without wanting others to do so too indicates to not really wanting the death of the person voted which makes me really curious as to why vote that person in the first place. Though Nerwen was innocent and Zil was a wolf I can still relate to that argument.

Originally Posted by Nienna

… this seems off to me… it seems like she is more concerned with their death than their role…

My bad if it seems like that. I'll try to explain. I suspected both Sally and Hakon, Sally a bit more, but I believed either could be a werewolf. If I believe a person to be a werewolf, I want that person to get lynched rather than someone else. Therefore, I was faced with the problem of choosing between my two suspects: one that I thought a tad more likely to be evil, and the other that had already received a vote so was a more likely lynch candidate. My point in re-explaining my thoughts on this matter is this: an innocent, if s/he feels a player to be guilty, wants that person to get lynched, because the lynch is pretty much an ordinary villager's only weapon in this game. Quite frankly I wanted either Sally or Hakon dead because I suspected them. If it seemed like I was more concerned about their death than their role I'm sorry to have seemed so. But, at that moment I had already made some sort of vague conclusions about their roles - so in a way I was, at that point, concentrating on getting one of them killed. Am I making sense?

Moral of the Story: I'm pretty sure she's a wolf.

I'm not a wolf. I can't, however, expect you to believe that. In any case that's quite a heavy conclusion compared to the arguments in your analysis. It's also not an argument, so it can't be answered with one. What you say is a subjective statement I cannot answer in any possible way; what I say is a subjective truth I can't prove to anyone.


EDIT: x-ed since my last

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Boro

Her comment about Pitch reminds me of the same thing, a vague throw away comment about something important she had to say about someone, but then forgot.

Honestly now, I hope that even in games where I've been a wolf I haven't been that dishonest! Wolf or no, my brain has a regular leak in it, and I forget stuff all the time. (Again, an argument I can't expect people to believe.) I really think it would be rather unsporty to pretend to have forgotten an argument in order not to have to invent one in the first place, and I don't like it that people actually think I would do that.

Originally Posted by McCaber

And it seems that Greenie has been chosen. Let's hope she shows fur at nightfall.

Has been chosen?!? One person has voted for me this far. There are eight people in this village. I certainly hope I haven't "been chosen", because, quite frankly, that would mean we've lost the game. I don't even understand why people have nailed me up as a lynch target. I'd understand if I had behaved in a way that would have made me look like a wolf. Yet I haven't seen one single argument against me that actually holds water! This stinks of wolf. An innocent simply doesn't vote without valid arguments on a decisive Day like this. At least I hope so.


EDIT: x-ed with Nilp, McCaber, Nilp and Boro

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

I really think it would be rather unsporty to pretend to have forgotten an argument in order not to have to invent one in the first place, and I don't like it that people actually think I would do that.

Chill, I never said you do it, because you don't feel like making an agrument against someone. I know you are very capable, wolf or not, of making your own arguments.

I'm saying it reminded me of something to did towards Nilp as a wolf, and that first time I fell for it thinking you had gifted information.

[Nienna]

I am not a wolf. Sally voted early because she had to leave. She said so many times and you were (and still are) the most suspicious person in my opinion so her voting early doesn't seem weird.

[Boromir88]

Thanks Brinn.

Now the big issue. If we guard McCaber we are assured of a known innocent tomorrow. However, if we don't get a wolf today, and guard him, then it's over. If we don't get a wolf today, and don't guard him, he can protect someone, but the wolves will most likely kill him...which means it's over anyway.

So, I say we guard McCaber.

[Nienna]

I'd like to wait for a ruling from On High but am willing to guard him if he can't protect himself.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

That did it. I'm pretty sure now.

++Nienna

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Boro

Chill, I never said you do it, because you don't feel like making an agrument against someone. I know you are very capable, wolf or not, of making your own arguments.

I'm saying it reminded me of something to did towards Nilp as a wolf, and that first time I fell for it thinking you had gifted information.

Fair enough. Though I must ask - if you don't think I say I forgot an argument on purpose, then why is saying so a sign of wolvery? Or, do you think a wolf-me would come up with a ploy such as "I'll say I forgot an argument and they'll take me for a gifted"? Quite frankly (and this, again, is an argument I can't in all fairness expect you to take in) it wouldn't cross my mind to think that way! My mind doesn't work in ploys, whether innocent or wolf. I can't spot them in others and certainly can't use them myself.


EDIT: x-ed with Nienna, Pitch and Boro

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Nienna

I am not a wolf. Sally voted early because she had to leave. She said so many times and you were (and still are) the most suspicious person in my opinion so her voting early doesn't seem weird.

I never said her voting early seemed weird. What I find weird is who she voted and on what grounds. She hasn't posted any argument against me except for "she feels creepy" or something like that. I trust you won't hold a grudge if I don't beileve your first sentence. I can't have proof about that, and what logic I have points against you.

Originally Posted by Boro

Now the big issue. If we guard McCaber we are assured of a known innocent tomorrow. However, if we don't get a wolf today, and guard him, then it's over. If we don't get a wolf today, and don't guard him, he can protect someone, but the wolves will most likely kill him...which means it's over anyway.

So, I say we guard McCaber.

That makes sense. If we lynch an innocent toDay the game is over whether we guard him or not. If we lynch a wolf, though, we'll have a known innocent toMorrow. Therefore:

++ McCaber


EDIT: x-ed with Brinn, Eonwe, Nienna, Nilp and Boro x2

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Fair enough. Though I must ask - if you don't think I say I forgot an argument on purpose, then why is saying so a sign of wolvery? Or, do you think a wolf-me would come up with a ploy such as "I'll say I forgot an argument and they'll take me for a gifted"? Quite frankly (and this, again, is an argument I can't in all fairness expect you to take in) it wouldn't cross my mind to think that way! My mind doesn't work in ploys, whether innocent or wolf. I can't spot them in others and certainly can't use them myself.

It was more of when I saw it, I thought Nilp, and how I fell for it, and you wound up to be a wolf. My memory is just as faulty, you could very well say the same exact thing as an innocent, but since that time I went after Nilp, because of your comment, and was proven fooled, it's the incident that sticks out in my memory.