Tol-in-Gaurhoth LXIX: Were-Librarians

[Boromir88]

I can tell you how I'm going to choose roles for my upcoming game But that won't be relevant, so you'll just have to wait, and I doubt Lari would like someone advertising during her game.

So onward with suspected book wolvery, I think this topic has had enough air time(as long as I get the last word)

[Lariren Shadow]

No I wouldn't...but at some point I would like to know

And, for reference because there is discussion, the roles were random. A hat was used to pick them.

[Macalaure]

I can't believe that nobody has thrown in a bit of basic werewolf lore yet: If you have a hunch about the gifteds, unless you're evil yourself, for crying out loud - shut up! With very few exceptions, you're only helping the wolves!

Originally Posted by Boro

Hunches are good though, because hunches are starting points, now you have to have reasons for your hunches, care to explain Hakon?

Boro, did you just seriously ask Hakon to elaborate on why he thinks I'm the ranger?? Hakon might get a pass for that for being new, you know better.

Boro=evil.

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

I can't believe that nobody has thrown in a bit of basic werewolf lore yet: If you have a hunch about the gifteds, unless you're evil yourself, for crying out loud - shut up! With very few exceptions, you're only helping the wolves!

Boro, did you just seriously ask Hakon to elaborate on why he thinks I'm the ranger?? Hakon might get a pass for that for being new, you know better.

Boro=evil.

I was in the middle of making a post that consisted of something like "Why would Boro want to further expose Mac as the ranger if he was a good guy?" Now, I'm not convinced Mac is the ranger - in fact, I have a feeling (much like Hakon's hunch) that he may not even be on the side of good in this game - but Boro's blatant fishing has me worried now. Evil? Maybe.

[Boromir88]

Boro, did you just seriously ask Hakon to elaborate on why he thinks I'm the ranger?? Hakon might get a pass for that for being new, you know better.

Boro=evil.~Mac

It's already been thrown out there and not be me, so stop making it look like this is some big secret we should shupt up about. I don't know why that makes me evil. And in this case the Ranger is much better protected because he/she can defend himself or anyone twice in a row...I figure the role is almost like the hunter where sometimes the hunter is more dangerous known than unknown.

This isn't the normal Ranger and I don't know why you jumped on me asking about Hakon's hunch. For all you know I could be the ranger and curious to Hakon's reasoning and trying to protect myself. (I'll say now before I get bombarded against by more people I'm not the Ranger...but whatever)

It's more evil that 2 people immediately jump out on me asking Hakon to explain himself.

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

It's more evil that 2 people immediately jump out on me asking Hakon to explain himself.

I wasn't trying to tag team you about questioning Hakon; I even asked a question of him. There's no need to get defensive (unless it's a guilty conscience speaking); as it is, you explained why you wanted to know about Hakon's hunch and it can be left at that. For now.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

OMGUS much, Boro? (Wow, I used a Mafia term.)

Here and reading. Foremost in my mind today is Fea vs. Nerwen, and of the two I think Nerwen the more likely to be innocent... but this could just be the general innocent vs. innocent that seems to happen every game.

[Formendacil]

Well, said Form, I'm back...

Which is to say that I've read over the thread, with greater detail here, less detail there. Unfortunately, as usual, I'm not having wolves leap out of the shadows and declare themselves--which is a crying shame, since that means I can look forward to the tedious task of trying to sort things out the old-fashioned way.

On the very recent (relative to the rest of the day) note that Mac could be a Gifted/Wolf and Boro would be stupendously foolish to point out the former if that's the case... I haven't got any good reasons for thinking it at the moment, but as far as all that goes, my gut is on the side of Boromir and says that Mac could be a WW. The point was raised earlier that I might be a late-coming wolf voting Hakon in the hopes of saving Sally--I'm not, but I'm not so young at this as to think you'll take my word for it. The point has also already been made, I think, that Mac could have been doing the same thing with his Nienna vote. Oddly, perhaps, that line of reasoning doesn't especially bother me--if, indeed, it's true (as we cannot tell till the post-game) what Mac says about not knowing Nienna's Day 1 Death-Penchant. Perhaps this is just me and the skewed perspective of having visited said Downer.

However... even if Mac didn't seem guilty on the start-a-different-bandwaggon note, he does seem extra jumpy about Boro at the moment, and as I don't really know what to make of that, I'm inclined to ascribe it to Wolvery.

More anon...

[Nessa Telrunya]

Well, I fear being the first to vote, but RL restricts me from posting right up to the 1am deadline in my timezone. Now, going off of earlier musings of my own rather than the frenzied topics of Fea and Nienna is how I'm going to vote.

++Brinn


Now, before anyone demands the 'why', you can find my reasons already stated in post #119

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

It's already been thrown out there and not be me, so stop making it look like this is some big secret we should shupt up about.

It's been thrown out as a hunch without anything to back it. Unlikely the librarians would seriously consider it as it stood. You were asking him to solidify it and, which would also cause the village to discuss gifteds instead of librarians.

Originally Posted by Boro

I don't know why that makes me evil.

See above.

Originally Posted by Boro

And in this case the Ranger is much better protected because he/she can defend himself or anyone twice in a row...I figure the role is almost like the hunter where sometimes the hunter is more dangerous known than unknown.

*takes a deep breath*

That is utter nonsense. Yes, the ranger is better protected and is able to take two night kills away from the librarians if revealed. But if he has to protect himself he cannot protect the seer twice and thus give us two additional dreams out of a revealed seer. Two dreams at the end of the game can be deciding! You know that well. Almost like the hunter? What threat is attacking the ranger to the librarians? None, except for losing kills.

Originally Posted by Boro

This isn't the normal Ranger and I don't know why you jumped on me asking about Hakon's hunch.

See above.

Originally Posted by Boro

For all you know I could be the ranger and curious to Hakon's reasoning and trying to protect myself. (I'll say now before I get bombarded against by more people I'm not the Ranger...but whatever)

No. If that was the case you would be gathering questionable information at the cost of risking the life of someone you do not know is not gifted.

Originally Posted by Boro

It's more evil that 2 people immediately jump out on me asking Hakon to explain himself.

True. It should have been more.


Alonariel - you voted for me yesterday without reason and you still think I'm suspicious... mind to share why?


Form, I'm jumpy about Boro because he did something an innocent Boro would not have done. Would a wolf-Boro do it? Not sure, maybe not, because it would be too risky. Would a cobbler-Boro do it? Yes. (Note that I said Boro=evil, not Boro=wolf.)
Anyway, with the Snitch's power the way it is, I would not consider lynching him a waste in the least.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Form, I'm jumpy about Boro because he did something an innocent Boro would not have done. Would a wolf-Boro do it? Not sure, maybe not, because it would be too risky. Would a cobbler-Boro do it? Yes. (Note that I said Boro=evil, not Boro=wolf.)
Anyway, with the Snitch's power the way it is, I would not consider lynching him a waste in the least.

Although my gut's still on Boro's side here, you do bring up an interesting point--I'd completely forgotten about the Cobbler. That would, certainly, put a whole different dimension on yesterday's events. The thought occurred to me, reading over yesterday's posts, that the whole Boro and Sally smooch-fest might have been one or the other's attempt to play at the Lovers--I did not think it likely that both would have done that, but in the same way a genuine Boro-Innocent would impersonate a seer to protect the seer, I could see a Boro-Cobbler impersonating a Lover to confuse the seer--and I could see Sally having played along with with it either way.

But I'm still not sold on it. Boromir's reasoning makes sense to me, and, anyway, I'm not sure why he would have picked Sally. If, as a Cobbler, he thought her innocent, then he's giving shelter to an Innocent--which makes no sense. If he thought her a wolf, it certainly would certainly give her protection, if the seer bought it--but would the seer buy it? And what reason would Boro-Cobbler have for thinking Sally a wolf at that stage in the game?

Yeah... not sold on it...

And Brinn has earned a vote. That's... actually not a bad case, prima facie, but I don't know if I like it yet. Nessa seems to be one of those players that stays comfortably below the surface--or, in other words, I can't read her.

[alonariel]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Alonariel - you voted for me yesterday without reason and you still think I'm suspicious... mind to share why?

I'm sad to say at this point it's still just a hunch. I know it may be very newbie-ish of me to expose that hunch because, if I'm wrong, it gives my future speculations very little weight and, if I'm right, I could be killed in the night. Though one situation is preferable above the other, I'm not truly fond of either.

I was originally going to vote for Sally, but thought that she was playing the part of a wolf far too obvious to actually be a wolf. As it was, I was wrong. I had had you in the back of my mind throughout Day 1 mostly because of your suspicion of Nienna when I felt there was no basis for it. Whether that was wrong or not as well...we'll soon find out, I suspect.

Originally Posted by Formendacil

Well, the usual Day 1 conditions held, and I went for someone who wasn't objectively all that suspicious, but had just touched my instincts the wrong way, so felt more appropriate than a jump-on bandwaggon vote.

^ My feelings stated in a much clearer way, thank you Form.

I hope this explains some of my vote, even if it may be a little muddled. My voting for Day 1 had come after a very long day working with children, whose funny way of viewing the world does not always leave me with a very clear head afterwards.