WWLXII: Dead Men Do Tell Tales

[Thinlómien]

*flip-flop-flip-flop*

Can you hear that? It is the sound of a Lommy flip-flop coming. I think Eönwë is an ordo. And yes, for no other reason but that he finds me innocent. If he was acobbler, he would have gone by exactly the same logic he presents and not posted that but started attacking me and trying to get Mac with him.

Okay I feel that due to Inzil's proven innocence and some other stuff (like this comment of Eönwë's, although knowing him, he will probably make soon another post that incriminates him in my eyes - hey wait he could be a mutineer after all, it could make sense but it must wait until I think more about it), it's time for me to make a new list of how I believe the roles were given out.


edit: xed with our remaining mutineers

[Nogrod]

The number of cobblers around is breath-taking...

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

The number of cobblers around is breath-taking...

And what is your bidding for toDay, oh king of the co-conspies?



Seriously, though, I'm really confused by this whole Lommie and Mac business. I don't know who to believe. It's driving me a bit bonkers.



And no one's figured out my icon yet.


EDIT: x'd with Steve. Like you, ya mean?

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

EDIT: x'd with Steve. Like you, ya mean?

OK, but that would be a little too suspicious, don't you think?

Also, I was thinking more those that talk reasonably a lot but haven't really got into/commented on on the Lommy/Mac/Boro thing, like Nerwen and Mith. If that's the case then nice little innocent conversation about echidnas, wouldn't you say? Also Shasta and Gwath. However, I think don't find Mith and Shasta suspicious, though maybe that's just their masterful tactics- I don't know. Gwath isn't here.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

And no one's figured out my icon yet.

I know where it comes from, but I had to do some searching to learn it.

[Mithalwen]

I do read I just find it impossible to draw conclusions when I have no certainty about anything much. I guess my cluelessness is one of hte reasons I havent been killed since I havent been suspected much - also I did say I might not be here today ...

[Mithalwen]

Mac has fooled me before but I don't know if a Macwolf would fail to send in a kill. Hmm

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Mac has fooled me before but I don't know if a Macwolf would fail to send in a kill. Hmm

Well you have two different ways you can take it:
1) it looks unlikely, henceforth he is probably innocent
2) it looks unlikely but it would be foolish to exonerate him based on that.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Mac

Lommy, the thing is, apart from the points I made against him, Eonwe didn't really give us any post of substance. I think my conclusion is very valid. Btw, in what position are you to make a handful of flimsy points and call it a fact?

I KNEW that was coming from you. I agree Eönwë hasn't helped us too much - except with his handy tables and a point or two - but it doesn't surely mean he's a mutineer. I can imagine him being just intimidated by the setting and not pushing his way to make points against other people, like you and me have done, but that doesn't give any clue to his role.

Originally Posted by Mac

Lommy's boldness today gives me a bad feeling about our numbers. This is the way wolves start to behave when they're one wrong lynch away from sweeping a village.

Nay, Mac, I've made that mistake once and I wouldn't do it again. I've lost one game because of being so certain and desperate on the last Day, so if I was a wolf now, I'd be really much more careful and subtle and not attack you like a rabid dog. (Haha what a well chosen comparison.) My boldness, if you want to call it that, has been simply out of confidence in your guilt and desperation not to lose this game. ToDay it's looking probable we lynch you and I'm becoming happy because it looks like we have postponed our death a little and we may still solve this mystery in time.

It's far from certain anyway. Just relax Mac. Unfortunately you're not dead yet.

And Shasta - that is exactly what I'd do in your place, you can't win this without turning on Mac but you're not too happy with me alive so if I was you I'd do exactly the same... but I hope it's not enough to save you.


edit: triple-xed

[Thinlómien]

Shasta, I admit process of elimination is rather faulty in a setting like this but I can't believe we're as lucky as to have lynched all the mutineers except for Mac.


edit: xed with Eönwë

[Eönwë]

Ah! Now I'm flip-flopping on Shasta. On the one hand, he seems quite innocent, on the other hand, where have all his posts gone? (By which I mean- what has he done with that many posts!?)

[Thinlómien]

Nogrod, are you criticising the cobblerishness/ bad quality of people's posts/ arguments or the volume of the accusations of cobblerism flying around?

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Nogrod, are you criticising the cobblerishness/ bad quality of people's posts/ arguments or the volume of the accusations of cobblerism flying around?

Probably both

[Thinlómien]

Okay.

Greenie was the seer. Rikae was the hunter.

I'm innocent. Inziladun was innocent. McCaber and Kath were innocent. Boro and Gwath are innocent.

Sally was a wolf. Mac and Shasta are wolves.

This is what I feel rather safe assuming. That leaves me the group:
Nerwen
Izzy
Eönwë
Mith
Mira
Eomer
Annu
Wilwa
Nogrod
with 1 wolf, 2 cobblers and 6 innocents in it.

Let's see. Eomer and Nerwen are not wolves, so the list of possible wolves goes down to:
Izzy
Eönwë
Mith
Mira
Annu
Wilwa
Nogrod

I think Eönwë is not a wolf (given how Mac treats him). If I have to bet, I will actually remove Izzy and Mith too, because they are more like ordos/cobblers than wolves.

So by my logic, the last wolf was someone who's already dead. Huzzah!

Then off to cobblers. The list of possible cobblers is:
Nerwen
Izzy
Eönwë
Mith
Mira
Eomer
Annu
Wilwa
Nogrod

I will take Mira and Wilwa off since they never gave me cobblerish vibes. Nerwen's Mac-vote exonerates her quite nicely yet not conclusively. Nah, if I have to guess the cobblers are/were among this three: Nogrod, Izzy and Eomer.

DISCLAIMER: () this post is based on assumptions all of you don't want to make. It's not supposed to be a conclusive all in all answer to this mystery, it is just my take on it.

It seems like I've reached the conclusion that we only have two mutineers left. Unfortunately, I believe more in my chances of making a mistake than our chances to have done so well this far so I'm not getting hopeful yet.

And Shasta, if we lynch Mac and this game ends then, I will consider you innocent. ( = all people who seem more wolvish than Shasta or at least as wolvish as him are dead already.)