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Macalaure · 06-22-2009, 07:59 PM

One thing to the people who've been complaining about the lack of information in this game setup: Don't forget that the mutineers got lucky and killed the seer right away. On average we'd have a lot more information with this setup. Also, we don't know how well or badly we are actually doing, so I think this criticism is rather early.

Boromir88 · 06-22-2009, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Macalaure

One thing to the people who've been complaining about the lack of information in this game setup: Don't forget that the mutineers got lucky and killed the seer right away. On average we'd have a lot more information with this setup. Also, we don't know how well or badly we are actually doing, so I think this criticism is rather early.

True, we don't know...and my complaining isn't an attack against Brinn. (I hope you, Brinn, haven't taken it as such). I'm here, I may kick and scream about it, but I'm here and I'm participating because I want to be. And that is the testament to Brinn's creativity and ingenuity. I whine, but that doesn't mean Brinn's made any kind of mistake or done an awful job.

I just gripe, because the truth is it sucks to not know anything. It sucks to not be able to do what I normally would do, and when I actually do feel like I made a good choice, it sucks to get bombarded with more griping from mates about what a stupid decision you made. Even after defending it, and arguing for it, it's still "how could you even make that mistake...oh and Boro led it!" I'll admit a mistake, but in my opinion, I didn't make one with Mira...maybe I have somewhere else, only time will tell.

Boromir88 · 06-22-2009, 08:36 PM

I want to trust Lommy on this one, about Mac...that was certainly a spirited back and forth.

But I don't know, there's something that doesn't sit right with those keeping out of things, and showing in with comments, or nothing at all. It gets a feeling of mutineers sitting back to watch the people trying to figure out something tear eachother apart.

I can be fairly sure, barring the unexpected, Mac will be involved tomorrow. If I can deal with the agony of not knowing about Nogrod until the end, maybe Lommy...you can handle the pain of Mac not being lynched?

++Kath

Mac will be involved, which means if he's a wolf, we'll get him Lommy. Maybe not today, but we'll get him. Mac, if you can prove you're an innocent as you say you are, than do it. (How you can prove it to me, I'll get back to you, I only read Lommy's first post against you and your response).

I chose Kath, because I don't like her vote for Gwath. It's very hypocritical of me, but I admit to being a hypocrit. It just looks like she's taking a chance to latch on to Mira's lynching. It looks like she isn't "truly" suspicious of Gwath, and just decides to cast to make a safe vote, for someone who could be mod-fired, and she can avoid the "heat."

Edit: wish I hadnt cross-posted with Izzy...

Nogrod · 06-22-2009, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Boromir88

Edit: wish I hadnt cross-posted with Izzy...

Why? Please enlighten us... Because Izzy is A) a co-conspie, B) a mutineer C) you feel your vote got obsolete, D) other?

Macalaure · 06-22-2009, 08:49 PM

Alright, I expected to have to use my vote to save myself today, and now it suddenly seems like I actually have a chance to survive anyway and vote for someone whom I suspect. Now I need to make my mind up, which I couldn't really all day.

Vote count first, I need to know where we stand.

Nerwen -> Gwath
Mith -> Izzy
Lommy -> Mac
Kath -> Gwath (2)
(Eonwe -> Inzy)
Izzy -> Nerwen
Boro -> Kath

Gwath is in the lead?? Yikes!

Shastanis Althreduin · 06-22-2009, 08:55 PM

I don't understand Izzy's vote. True, there is no hard evidence to believe Greenie's Seer claim, but then again there is no hard evidence to disbelieve it.

In fact, all evidence in this game is circumstantial. And I hazard the opinion that there is more circumstantial evidence in favor of Greenie's claim than against it.

Rikae · 06-22-2009, 08:59 PM

Shasta, she claimed earlier today that "almost every person" who called her lists "fabricated" (which I did yesterday) had evil intent, even though I had already been proven to be the hunter. Sure, she said almost - but still, the only point in saying it was to imply a known innocent was evil. She's obviously evil - don't waste your time.

Nogrod · 06-22-2009, 09:01 PM

I don't want to sound as repeating myself but just take a look at yesterDay. Rikae went pretty strongly against Gwath (as much as I have read yesterDay). So if the mutineers believed Rikae was the hunter (why wouldn't they as she was the hunter) they would not have attacked her if Gwath was one of them. Or then they are very confident indeed and could sacrifice Gwath - who hasn't posted a lot lately anyway.

EDIT: Bah... I posted for the previous page only... needs to see more...

Shastanis Althreduin · 06-22-2009, 09:03 PM

Given that Gwath seems to be heading for modfire anyway, I move that we move the discussion onward.

Macalaure · 06-22-2009, 09:11 PM

A quick list:

Lommy - still leaning innocent with her, though I could see her as a very skilled cobbler, too.
Inzy - hasn't done anything to make suspect him of cobblery less than yesterday.
Boro - leaning more innocent with him today than yesterday.
Shasta - has slipped a bit from my attention lately.
Kath - Her Gwath-vote is a bad one, but I have the feeling that she hasn't entirely caught up yet. She also forgot that Eomer was killed. I'd like to give her a pass for today.
Izzy - probably not a mutineer, but could be a cobbler.
Mith - another one I paid too little attention to. Doesn't seem evil, though.
Eonwe - needs a closer look, too.

If I only knew how many mutineers are actually hiding within those 8. It has to be at least 2. Would Lommy really launch an attack like that if she was a mutineer? Is Inzy more evil than I thought? Am I wrong about Boro? Or Izzy? Or is lynching Kath the best option after all? I need a better picture of Shasta, Mith, and Eonwe...

Nogrod · 06-22-2009, 09:11 PM

I'm always afraid of Kath when innocent - and this time is no exception...

But my God if this is one more mutineer bandwaggon!

The problem is whether they (the mutineers) feel really confident or not... The missed kill would talk for them having problems - and it would fit Kath being one as she wouldn't be there on the deadline to make sure the kill gets through...

Who would be the clumsy American(s) then missing a shot during the Night? That would be something to think for toMorrow...

Rikae · 06-22-2009, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

Who would be the clumsy American(s) then missing a shot during the Night? That would be something to think for toMorrow...

That's a thought that makes Mac look more innocent after all - he's here in the US and would have been unlikely to miss the kill.

06-22-2009, 08:36 PM	#3
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	I want to trust Lommy on this one, about Mac...that was certainly a spirited back and forth. But I don't know, there's something that doesn't sit right with those keeping out of things, and showing in with comments, or nothing at all. It gets a feeling of mutineers sitting back to watch the people trying to figure out something tear eachother apart. I can be fairly sure, barring the unexpected, Mac will be involved tomorrow. If I can deal with the agony of not knowing about Nogrod until the end, maybe Lommy...you can handle the pain of Mac not being lynched? ++Kath Mac will be involved, which means if he's a wolf, we'll get him Lommy. Maybe not today, but we'll get him. Mac, if you can prove you're an innocent as you say you are, than do it. (How you can prove it to me, I'll get back to you, I only read Lommy's first post against you and your response). I chose Kath, because I don't like her vote for Gwath. It's very hypocritical of me, but I admit to being a hypocrit. It just looks like she's taking a chance to latch on to Mira's lynching. It looks like she isn't "truly" suspicious of Gwath, and just decides to cast to make a safe vote, for someone who could be mod-fired, and she can avoid the "heat." Edit: wish I hadnt cross-posted with Izzy... __________________ Fenris Penguin Last edited by Boromir88; 06-22-2009 at 08:40 PM.

06-22-2009, 08:55 PM	#6
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	I don't understand Izzy's vote. True, there is no hard evidence to believe Greenie's Seer claim, but then again there is no hard evidence to disbelieve it. In fact, all evidence in this game is circumstantial. And I hazard the opinion that there is more circumstantial evidence in favor of Greenie's claim than against it. __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

06-22-2009, 09:01 PM	#8
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	I don't want to sound as repeating myself but just take a look at yesterDay. Rikae went pretty strongly against Gwath (as much as I have read yesterDay). So if the mutineers believed Rikae was the hunter (why wouldn't they as she was the hunter) they would not have attacked her if Gwath was one of them. Or then they are very confident indeed and could sacrifice Gwath - who hasn't posted a lot lately anyway. EDIT: Bah... I posted for the previous page only... needs to see more... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

06-22-2009, 09:03 PM	#9
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	Given that Gwath seems to be heading for modfire anyway, I move that we move the discussion onward. __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

06-22-2009, 09:11 PM	#11
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	I'm always afraid of Kath when innocent - and this time is no exception... But my God if this is one more mutineer bandwaggon! The problem is whether they (the mutineers) feel really confident or not... The missed kill would talk for them having problems - and it would fit Kath being one as she wouldn't be there on the deadline to make sure the kill gets through... Who would be the clumsy American(s) then missing a shot during the Night? That would be something to think for toMorrow... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

06-22-2009, 07:59 PM	#1
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	One thing to the people who've been complaining about the lack of information in this game setup: Don't forget that the mutineers got lucky and killed the seer right away. On average we'd have a lot more information with this setup. Also, we don't know how well or badly we are actually doing, so I think this criticism is rather early.

06-22-2009, 08:49 PM	#5
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	Alright, I expected to have to use my vote to save myself today, and now it suddenly seems like I actually have a chance to survive anyway and vote for someone whom I suspect. Now I need to make my mind up, which I couldn't really all day. Vote count first, I need to know where we stand. Nerwen -> Gwath Mith -> Izzy Lommy -> Mac Kath -> Gwath (2) (Eonwe -> Inzy) Izzy -> Nerwen Boro -> Kath Gwath is in the lead?? Yikes!

06-22-2009, 08:59 PM	#7
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Shasta, she claimed earlier today that "almost every person" who called her lists "fabricated" (which I did yesterday) had evil intent, even though I had already been proven to be the hunter. Sure, she said almost - but still, the only point in saying it was to imply a known innocent was evil. She's obviously evil - don't waste your time.

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