WWLXII: Dead Men Do Tell Tales

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Guess I didn't make myself clear. Izzy said this:



So why say that if you had nothing specific to base it on?

Ooooh. Erm, whoops?


I think, being dead and all, I'll try to make myself useful to my lovely team and put up a vote count.

[Nogrod]

Oh Rikae, you fool old beggar! You gave the mutineers a double-kill! What a waste...

But I can confirm her status. She was the avenger because I used to be an ordinary innocent just puffing my pipe in the dead of the Night with the worst hangover ever when she came upon me and ghosted me.

Just a careful suggestion then. She was quite definitively picking Gwath as her suspect yesterDay so one could presume he would be her hunt-target as well? So Gwath is an innocent then? It would have been a risky and idiotic move from the mutineers to try Rikae if Gwath was one of them aggressors.

I'll go sleep rest of my headache away (yeah, ghosts can have headaches too I have learned). I'll hope to skim through the last few Days later on and see if there is anything that catches me eye.

[Thinlómien]

I was hoping that if they'd go for her, she'd pick Mac. It would have been nice (and romantic besides ). But clearly she did not suspect him strongly enough and I tell you I know Macalaure knew she'd not have the nerve to pick him just yet. Arrr. I'm really really suspicious of Mac right now, he seems to have only gotten worse since I went to bed late yesterDay.

And toDay is darn weird this far. But I think it looks like Izzy is a cobbler, Boro is innocent, Sally was some kind of a baddie and there's no way of knowing about Nogrod or Shasta. (And I'm still considering Nerwen a known innocent.)

I'm off to reread yesterDay's posts that came after I went to bed, I'm sure there was stuff I wanted to comment on.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Hm, this Boro and Mac thing is looking rather wolf-on-wolfish. They argue and almost make a show of distrust while not really going after each other..

I think it looked more like cobbler-on-cobblerish - you know, just causing a mess... But I still it's most likely that Boro is innocent and Mac is a nasty wolf grrr...

Originally Posted by Mac

Haha! Now that's a compliment. Actually, if I really am bland and lack opinions, it indeed would usually mean I'm a wolf. That's part of my basic strategy. Since having a flu probably doesn't count as explanation, I guess I can only give you the nearly complete lack of information to deduce anything from. I'll be more edgy eventually, promise.

When I first read this I was like "ick! if that's not wolvish, what is?" and when I saw Rikae's reaction:

Originally Posted by Rikae

Wow, that's... just the sort of thing you would say to me as a wolf.

it was the last nail to Mac's coffin for me.

Originally Posted by Boro

Spectating it might look evil, I'll give you that...but I was giving her the tp treatment...that is testing to see whether my impression I got where I felt her one post earlier was innocent, was the 'right' impression. And at the same time, trying to prove to her my own innocence, that's what I call the "tp treatment," because essentially that's really the only way I can ever figure out what that man is up to. I have no idea what Lommy wanted to get from it, if anything at all except joking around, she'll have to explain it, but she passed my test.

Well I don't make any schemes, I was mostly just saying stuff that I was thinking about. But yes, I think it was very useful too because it was also kind of investigating how far Boro would go to play my personal psychologist and how he'd do it and I think (I hope! ) he wouldn't have had the heart to go so far if he was evil and knew I was not.

Rikae threatened to take Mac with her. Did Mac guess she'd not do it, was he thinking the risk is worth taking, or is he innocent after all?

I'm mightily amused by the fact that Boro and Mac voted the same person.

Originally Posted by Shasta

To be honest, I'm not sure I see the case on Sally or Gwath. And I really don't feel comfortable that they're our only real lynch possibilities with half an hour till deadline.

If the three of them were wolves together, this would be an incredibly bold thing to say, and I don't think Shasta'd say it.

Originally Posted by Sally

Then again....bah I'm torn on voting him because I know that it would partially be to save myself. Then again I know that I'm not a wolf, whereas I dont' know what he is, and I'm not willing to take that risk.

I found this comment extremely weird. What did you mean, Sally?

I don't get why Shasta continues advocating re-lynching Greenie after it was explained by several people how silly it'd be.

And that's it... I think I could make a good old list.


edit: xed with Nerwen x2 and Zil

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by me

But yes, I think it was very useful too because it was also kind of investigating how far Boro would go to play my personal psychologist and how he'd do it and I think (I hope! ) he wouldn't have had the heart to go so far if he was evil and knew I was not.

That is of course unless he's a wolf who thinks I'm a cobbler, a cobbler who thinks I'm a cobbler or a cobbler who thinks I'm a wolf.

[Thinlómien]

The Living:

-Gangrenous Inziladun Jones ~ Pilot
I'm feeling pretty good about him at the moment. Still rather unsure.

-Pirate Boromir the Malformed ~ Gunner
Still thinking he's innocent. All there was before + the fact he thought the wolves killed Nogrod - I don't think he'd be unsporty enough to bluff like that especially as he's not under much suspicion. Of course, he could be a cobbler, so I'm still keeping my "yes, but" approach to him.

-Shark Tooth Shasta ~ First mate
Confuses me more than anyone else as he keeps flip-flopping between good and evil. I'm not too worried yet.

-Snifflin’ Mac Sparrow ~ Cooper
LYNCH HIM!

-Almost-Blind Nerwen ~ Navigator/Sea Artist
A known innocent for the time being.

-Poop Deck Kath ~ Musician (Pipe)
I'm keeping both eyes on her and ready to attack once she arrives. Yes, that's true and it's rather silly. I have just got the idea she must be evil and I'm waiting for her to appear and prove it. Well, in order to try to be more neutral: I'm wary of her.

-Cowerin' Gwath Slasher ~ Powder Monkey
Leaning more innocent now because of the discussion around him yesterDay.

-Ham-Hands Izzy ~ Striker
Not bothering to hide her cobblerism anymore.

-Short Ruth Mithril ~ Cook
I'm pretty safe with assuming she's innocent and that's why I'd like to see her more - she's one of the few I feel I may be able to trust.

-Stinkin' Eön Bloodbeard ~ Powder Monkey
Not ringing any alarm bells.


The Ghosted:

-Slippery McCabbie Dagger ~ Boatswain ~ danced the hempen jig
No way of knowing, but I remain pessimistic and assume he was innocent.

-Lil' Green the Staggering Drunk ~ Powder Monkey ~ drank up all the rum
I trust her word that she was the seer. Alas!

-Dancin' Mira Blythe ~ Striker ~ danced her way off the deck
I don't remember where I got the idea that she was actually a mutineer and now I'm kind of stuck with it... weird. But my official opinion is that we have no way of knowing.

-Whinin’ Eomer Bonny ~ Musician (Pur-loined Violin) ~ his pur-loined violin pur-loined him
An innocent as he was killed by the mutineers... just hoping he wasn't the ranger.

-High-Pitched Annu ~ Surgeon ~ halved by her own saw
Absolutely no idea.

-Stutterin’ Wilwa Scab ~ Cook ~ gave her heart to Davy Jones
Could've been anything.

-Legless Sally Dawkins ~ Carpenter ~ was shark bait for a day
Given her rather obscure and fishy comments all along the game, I'm inclined to think she was some sort of baddie.

-Puffy Shirt Rikae ~ Cabin Boy ~ was never fond of pointy objects
Our hunter whom I'm waiting to see around as a ghost very much.

-Pirate Nogrod the Fashionably Late ~ Gunner ~ had an unfriendly encounter with cold steel
I don't know. Could be anything. Is he truly an innocent who helps us giving a known innocent Rikae, or is he a cobbler/wolf who's trying to gain trust and cover his tracks?


If we're to lynch a ghost, my preferences would be 1) Sally, 2) Nogrod & 3) Mira or Annu.

If we're to lynch a living person, my preference is Mac. And my preference is that we lynch him and no ghost because he's a mutineer.


edit: xed with all the three posts

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Now, assuming Rikae was indeed the Hunter, then it looks as if either the wolves felt they could afford to take a risk (i.e. we're doing badly), or they were fairly confident none of them would be picked last Night.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Just a careful suggestion then. She was quite definitively picking Gwath as her suspect yesterDay so one could presume he would be her hunt-target as well? So Gwath is an innocent then? It would have been a risky and idiotic move from the mutineers to try Rikae if Gwath was one of them aggressors.

The signs appear to point to a Mutineer Mac and a Conspirator Gwath.
With Rikae's vote for Gwath, it was a reasonable assumption for the mutineers that he would indeed be her pick for the Night as well. She'd been voicing some serious questions about Mac at the end of Day 4, and what better time to take her out than while her attention was focused on a (relative) innocent?

Originally Posted by Rikae

Inzil - I'm still wondering what to make of his "if Lommy isn't an aggressor, they might as well just kill Rikae" of yesterday. My first thought was that it was a cobbler pointing out to the baddies that I was probably bluffing about my pick, since it wouldn't serve my interests to be honest, in he guise of an ordo wondering why the hunter would announce a pick at all... now I'm wondering if it was an ordo's attempt to help me bluff, in spite of the earlier distrust... nah, now I'm spinning far-fetched theories Nogrod-style. Anyway, I'm inclined to think he's either a conspirator or an ordo.

I don't recall saying what she quotes me on at the first part of that, but I'll say now that her second theory about the drama between her and me is correct.
I was initially taken off guard by her reveal, and the first two or three of my questions to her were genuine. After that, though, it was really just a deliberately overblown act to see if anyone would come out of the woodwork and hop on the train. Gwath certainly rose to the challenge.

[satansaloser2005]

Um....Nog, darling....

Originally Posted by th' Cap'n, in th' rules

No double lynches. In the case of a tie, the first to reach the most votes will be lynched.

So no double lynch.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

-Poop Deck Kath ~ Musician (Pipe)
I'm keeping both eyes on her and ready to attack once she arrives. Yes, that's true and it's rather silly. I have just got the idea she must be evil and I'm waiting for her to appear and prove it. Well, in order to try to be more neutral: I'm wary of her.

Jog my memory, please (it's late here in the Antipodes): what has Kath done? You suspect her, Rikae suspects her... and I can't remember a single thing she's said this game.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

In case anyone wants to lynch a ghost toDay, here's a list:

Known non-wolves (Night-killed)
A Little Green (claimed Protector)
Eomer
Rikae (Avenger) – only ghost whose role is definitely known

Unknown (Lynched/mod-fired/hunted)
McCaber
Mira
Annu
Wilwa
Sally
Nogrod

EDIT: X'd with Zil.

Greenie claimed Seer. Not Protector.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I don't get why Shasta continues advocating re-lynching Greenie after it was explained by several people how silly it'd be.

Oh? Really, Lommy? Is that what happened?

(Beg pardon, I'm in an extremely vile mood today.)

[Mithalwen]

Sorry this is bewildering me but with the strong possibility of modfire... I don't normally aim for cobblers but given how uncertain things are..it seems that Issy is not on the side of the angels the rest of you are too confusing. With things so tight losing a conspirator will at least prevent a pro-agressor vote

++Isabellkya

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But I can confirm her status. She was the avenger

Well, thanks. At least we know one thing for certain.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

a careful suggestion then. She was quite definitively picking Gwath as her suspect yesterDay so one could presume he would be her hunt-target as well? So Gwath is an innocent then? It would have been a risky and idiotic move from the mutineers to try Rikae if Gwath was one of them aggressors.

Ahem. I think you'll find I beat you to that deduction:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Now, assuming Rikae was indeed the Hunter, then it looks as if either the wolves felt they could afford to take a risk (i.e. we're doing badly), or they were fairly confident none of them would be picked last Night.

I wonder if that rules out everyone Rikae strongly suspected... or is that too dangerous an assumption?

EDIT: X'd with Lommy.

[Inziladun]

For what it's worth, Rikae's last vote was for Izzy, though she seemed to be leaning toward a stronger suspicion of Mac.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

For what it's worth, Rikae's last vote was for Izzy, though she seemed to be leaning toward a stronger suspicion of Mac.

Can you show me where Rikae voted Izzy? I was under the impression that she never switched from her original vote for Gwath.

[Nerwen]

In case anyone wants to lynch a ghost toDay, here's a list:

Known non-wolves (Night-killed)
A Little Green (claimed Protector)
Eomer
Rikae (Avenger) – only ghost whose role is definitely known

Unknown (Lynched/mod-fired/hunted)
McCaber
Mira
Annu
Wilwa
Sally
Nogrod

EDIT: X'd with Zil.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Known non-wolves (Night-killed)

That's a little bit presumptuous. You never know- they may have killed one of their own to mislead us on purpose. Tell me- can a dead mutineer/aggressor still communicate with their team after they're dead?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

So Gwath is an innocent then? It would have been a risky and idiotic move from the mutineers to try Rikae if Gwath was one of them aggressors.

I'm pretty well convinced Gwath is not a mutineer. If he was, I don't believe he would have missed the vote yesterDay. That doesn't seem like something the baddies can afford at this stage. Co-conspirator makes more sense to me.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Can you show me where Rikae voted Izzy? I was under the impression that she never switched from her original vote for Gwath.

Ah. You're right. That forehead slapping is contagious toDay.
I was quickly scrolling through looking for her posts and I keyed on the one where she quoted Izzy voting herself.
A cup of coffee is in order now.