WWLXII: Dead Men Do Tell Tales

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I'm pretty confident of her innocence now. But I'm still a bit hesitant to say Nogrod would kill Greenie on Night2 without a specific reason -

Maybe unless he guessed she were gifted, I don't know. I won't vote for him in absentia today. But I may well go for Sally. She sort of fits my offender profile ...

[Mithalwen]

Because if is fairly safe to assume night kills are ordos or conspirators, killing Nerwen would pretty well eliminate any doubts about Greenie's seerhood.

[Mithalwen]

Just that after a whole eveniong of displacement activity I realised I should get a grip before I turned in to a pumpkin....

[Boromir88]

I'm not so much suspicious of Mith's post as I am, the sudden spurt of posts after it...I mean after a pretty slow day, between mostly Lommy, Rikae, Mac, and myself, everyone starts popping out of the woodworks.

Maybe I'm not taking into consideration timezones and people being out for various reasons, it's just interesting how multiple people popped out.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I'm not so much suspicious of Mith's post as I am, the sudden spurt of posts after it...I mean after a pretty slow day, between mostly Lommy, Rikae, Mac, and myself, everyone starts popping out of the woodworks.

Maybe I'm not taking into consideration timezones and people being out for various reasons, it's just interesting how multiple people popped out.

Well, I'm in the same timezone as Mith is (and I usually am here around this time anyway), but I don't know why Shasta suddenly chose to appear...

edit: also, by the way he started his post, it seems like Shasta had just been following the thread, and decided to comment at that point.

[Eönwë]

Anyway, I have to go in the next half-hour, so it's nice that there are more people around.

But everyone suddenly seems quite innocent to me toDay...

[Mithalwen]

++Sally

BTW If someone has time a vote summary might be an idea incase there is the risk of more modfire,...

Goodnight.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I'm not so much suspicious of Mith's post as I am, the sudden spurt of posts after it...I mean after a pretty slow day, between mostly Lommy, Rikae, Mac, and myself, everyone starts popping out of the woodworks.
Maybe I'm not taking into consideration timezones and people being out for various reasons, it's just interesting how multiple people popped out.

Well it does seem scarily like "ok now somebody else posted I may have to jump in too and stop hiding in my corner" but I won't start pointing fingers at people because of that - maybe our loudmouth debate scared off some people who were encouraged by less aggressive and loud others appearing? Not that we were actually being aggressive...

Originally Posted by Boro

It's not about trusting people, you can't really 'trust' people in WW. It's being able to trust yourself, trust not only the 'evidence' but your instincts, feelings...etc. Your answer was 'yes but...," ok I guess I will have to accept that, but trust that instinct until you have reasons not to.

Yes but () Dr Boro, my problem is that I'm going in cycles - game by game I learn to be more and more self-confident and once I finally start trsuting myself I get everything totally wrong and then I have to start building the trust all over again. *sigh* But don't you worry about that and I never said I'm not trusting my gut-feeling of you for now - I am - but I keeping it open for revision (which is just sensible).


edit: xed with Eönwë and Mith

[Thinlómien]

I should vote and go to sleep soon. It's not like I'm tired, but it's soon 2am here and I'd better be sensible. I'm tempted to vote Sally but I don't like toDay feels to be turning into a huge Sallywagon - either her mates are abandoning her for good or we're mistaken and she's innocent, and in both cases there'll be too little to analyse toMorrow. I was leaning towards voting her but now I might vote Mac just to give an option.

[Thinlómien]

Rikae -> Gwath
Nerwen -> Gwath
Mith -> Sally

Gwath 2, Sally 1

[Boromir88]

Ugh this is going to sound terrible, but I really have not considered who I would vote for, other than Nogrod and well I said I'd wait.

Lets see...I'm good with Rikae, Mith, Nerwen and Lommy. I also like what I've recently seen from Shasta, his recent posts remind me of our time in Fea's Republic. I just want to see more.

I am not as sold on Inziladun's innocence as I was yesterday, but don't feel it's worth the pursuit of a vote today.

My suspicions on Mac are more about his reaction to my reasons for voting for Nogrod, so today I won't vote for him.

I'm also more suspicious of Kath, but well she's not feeling well and I would like to wait at least until tomorrow.

Izzy I think is a co-conspirator, her 'sarcastic' responses to Rikae look very suspicious and I will vote for her today.

Gwath showed up late yesterday, we'll see what happens today, but my courtesy is only for a day, and if he doesn't show up and to start showing some good, I will vote for him.

Sally...has completely slipped my mind and I have no idea, which means it's probably not a good idea for a vote. Same with Eonwe, his appearance has me slightly suspicious, yep it's really just a gut-feeling right now, so same with sally.

[Eönwë]

Day 1:

Rikae ++Inzil
Eomer ++Mira
Boro ++Noggie
Kath ++Eonwe
Shasta ++Boro
Eonwe ++Rikae
Greenie ++Shasta
Lommy ++Cabby
Wilwa ++Greenie
Mac ++Noggie (2)
Inzil ++Cabbie (2)
Boro --Noggie(1)
Annu ++Noggie (2)
Boro ++Shasta (2)
Rikae --Inzil (0)
Rikae ++Cabby (3)
Mac --Noggie(0)
Noggie ++Cabbie (4)
Sally ++Shasta (3)
Mac ++Noggie (1) <2>
Gwath ++Wilwa
Didn't vote: Nerwen, Izzy, Mith, Cabbie, Mira

Lynch: Cabbie


Night 2
Kill: Greenie


Day 2:
Nerwen ++Inzil
Mith ++Noggie
Annu ++Shasta
Rikae ++Shasta (2)
Kath ++Annu
Eomer ++Mira <2>
Shasta ++Rikae
Wilwa ++Eonwe
Rikae --Shasta (1)
Rikae ++Mira (2)
Noggie ++Eomer
Mac ++Eomer (2)
Boro ++Mira (3)
Inzil ++Annu (2)
Gwath ++Mira (4)
Izzy ++Mac
Didn't vote: Sally, Lommy, Eonwe

Lynch: Mira

Night 3:
Kill: Eomer

Day 3:
Sally ++Shasta <2>
Noggie ++Annu
Boro ++Noggie <2>
Rikae ++Sally
Mith ++Noggie (2)
Shasta ++Annu (2)
Wilwa ++Gwath
Eonwe ++Gwath (2)
Nerwen ++Rikae
Kath ++Annu (3) <2>
Lommy ++Gwath (3)
Inzil ++Rikae (2)
Mac ++Gwath (4)
Nerwen --Rikae (1)
Izzy +Noggie (2)
Nerwen ++Annu (4)
Gwath ++Annu (5)
Didn't vote: Annu

Night 4
Modfired: Wilwa

(x)=number of votes each person recieved
<x>=number of votes given by one person to another (repeat voting)
Italic=retraction
Bold=alive now

All votes in order

edit: x-ed since Mith's post

[Eönwë]

I have no idea who to vote and I should have gone to sleep around half an hour ago.

[Eönwë]

Ok, well I'm going to vote:

++Sally

Because she is in deep hibernation under Rudolph, and in voting she only seems to want to vote because she is is forced to, as if she doesn't really want to be answerable for her actions.


edit: triple post. 'Tis a quiet time again now.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Lommy

another is that they know that she's not gifted and are thus not wasting a kill on her

How would they know that? If Greenie is a cobbler, she's just guessing - and they don't, I assume, know that she isn't. Unless that was a slip of some sort...

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Rikae

How would they know that? If Greenie is a cobbler, she's just guessing - and they don't, I assume, know that she isn't. Unless that was a slip of some sort...

Okay, you're right, they don't, I was hasty when phrasing it. There's a smaller chance of her being gifted than others being gifted because if Greenie is the seer - which is probable from our point of view and from theirs as well if Nerwen's not one of them like this scenario assumes - she is not gifted and if Greenie is a cobbler it's still unlikely she had named a gifted (but of course not any more unlikely than anyone else being gifted in this village and some people are even though they have the just as small percentual probability to be as others). Am I making any sense?

edit: xed with Boro

[Thinlómien]

Boro, what's the point in lynching Izzy if she's a mere co-conspirator? It's one vote away from the baddies, but it may be a misguided vote and it won't affect the numbers. I think it doesn't make sense to vote possible cobblers anytime else than in the direst need (ie when having absolutely no idea about the wolves' identity).

[Boromir88]

Yes but () Dr Boro, my problem is that I'm going in cycles - game by game I learn to be more and more self-confident and once I finally start trsuting myself I get everything totally wrong and then I have to start building the trust all over again. *sigh* But don't you worry about that and I never said I'm not trusting my gut-feeling of you for now - I am - but I keeping it open for revision (which is just sensible).~Lommy

If you're evil you should be ashamed to manipulating me (and the crew) like this, playing the "I'm not confident defense." But if you're innocent than this should prove you have plenty of self-confidence, just don't let the inevitable "hiccups" mess you up.

[Boromir88]

I don't know...maybe because a cobbler is better than an innocent? Although, you make a good point and lynching a cobbler would be even really less pointless in this set up, considering he/she would still be a ghost and could post.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

If you're evil you should be ashamed to manipulating me (and the crew) like this, playing the "I'm not confident defense." But if you're innocent than this should prove you have plenty of self-confidence, just don't let the inevitable "hiccups" mess you up.

If you're evil you should be ashamed of manipulating me by playing my personal psychologist, but if you're innocent this game should prove you'd make a great tutor. We're even, right?

edit: xed with Boro again

[Thinlómien]

I'm going to go to sleep now.

++Sally

It's the best suspicion I have and it seems it would be easier for me to concentrate if I didn't have to keep reminding myself of her existence and suspiciousness and wondering about her in future.

I hope I can go after Mac or Nogrod or Kath toMorrow, if needs be.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

If you're evil you should be ashamed of manipulating me by playing my personal psychologist, but if you're innocent this game should prove you'd make a great tutor. We're even, right?

We're even now

I am going out to enjoy a late dinner, and will be no where near Salmon, so there is no worry in me falling asleep before the DL...I guess I should avoid turkey though, shouldn't I, that always puts me to sleep?

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I guess I should avoid turkey though, shouldn't I, that always puts me to sleep?

Yes you should.

One last thing before I go:


Rikae -> Gwath
Nerwen -> Gwath
Mith -> Sally
Lommy -> Sally

Gwath 2, Sally 2


Good night!

[Isabellkya]

What a bunch of quick flip-floppers you are.
Mind pointing out where I even hinted or suggested a claim to Huntership Rikae?

This is so freaking irritating and obvious it isn't even funny anymore.

++Izzy.