WWLXII: Dead Men Do Tell Tales

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Shasta, that be treacherous talk. Arr, I see no point in double lynchin' anybody until doin' so is likely to give us some really useful information. We double lynch Greenie, and we're either rid o' a cobbler (who can't do much harm now anyway) but don't know anythin', or we have proved Nerwen's innocence, but later in th' game, a double lynch o' th' right person will probably benefit us a lot more.

+ if we learnt Nerwen is an innocent she would be dead the next Night - or probably the next.

I thought ye were bein' framed by th' aggressors, but now I be havin' second thoughts. Arrr.

I said already in the morning that Shasta's joke looked fishy. And this will not help our First Mate look good.

Oh, I see some interesting things posted... Just a minute.

[Isabellkya]

When I saw Greenie`s Spy claim, I instantly thought bluff. Lynchin` th` lass` again would solve th` mystery, but I dasn`t think `t such a wise decision.

I be here an` wadin` through th` Seafarin` hearty speak

[Nogrod]

Now me gunner-matey has finally freaked out! Now some alcohol, from anywhere, he's getting conspirational unless he gets boozed-up...

I mean you really can't pick up a pair of people out from thin air (Shasta and MCCaber in this instance) and say that because x voted for the one s/he was trying to help the other as her/his mate in crime - or that anyone who did not vote for your candidate is a mutineer. Please.

On a second note I must say that I think Lommy's explanation of her vote looked more innocent and believble than Inziladun's, but that probably is a matter of taste.

Of the others I'm at the moment very much inclined to lynch Shasta - if I'd have to vote right now he would be my choice. And if Mac continues with that mal-driven crusade of his I see no sense in, I might differ from my principle which states that I should not try to lynch anyone whom I consider really a valuable aid to our cause when the ranks grow thinner and the stakes get higher - unless there really is a case I can believe in. But Mac has been just impossible this far (and what was that play with the votes there in the end Mac?). I hope he gets to his senses sooner rather than later.

On a third note.

Originally Posted by Boro-guns

It may be easier for mutinees to sa'e eachother, if ye see what I mean. I'm jus' spit-ballin here, but if Shasta be a wolf, th' 'ery set up o' th' game (with ghosts an' what not)...the mutineers may feel safe by sa'ing their own...when under 'normal' circumstances (we find out the role after a lynchin'), it is more beneficial to throw a mate under the ship.

You're absolytely right that the mutineers can easily stick together and even help each other out because no-one's role will be known after they die. But that also means that they don't need to even maintain an image they would have suspected a fellow at some point of the game (to look better later when that one turns out a wolf).

It also means that the wolves can go for a full-frontal attack in the bright daylight against anyone they wish to remove as their treachery will never be found out. They just happened to be a few blokes voting for a certain person that Day.

Not knowing the roles of the dead makes this game so different and totally insane... And it looks like it renders every single Day a kind of Day1.

[wilwarin538]

k, I'm here and reading, have to read all of yesterDay too so this might take a while...

[Nogrod]

Oh you muddy misbehavin' gangstas, down-lying hidin' cowards and rapscallions! Isn't there pirate enough in you to speak! Oh you landlubbers and tenderfeet!

I'll speak no more until someone but us gunners shows guts to play this.

EDIT: X'd with wilwa... but that was not much I daresay...

[Kath]

I just want to make it clear that this post is in NO way related to Nog's little threat there. In fact I was rather inclined to not post on purpose just to annoy him. But no, here I am so I shall post.

Anyway, going to have a look at the votes for McCaber yesterDay because there was a bandwagon that seemed to come from nowhere! Then have a look at what's been going on toDay. Back in a bit.

[Kath]

McCaber:
Our first poster. Said Shasta must be evil because he is first mate.

Mentions of McCaber:
Shasta argues back.
Lommy says McCaber was too quick to cast stones.
Mac says he is wrong so maybe Shasta and McCaber should be lynched.
Lommy says he is slippery - no reason.
Mac puts McCaber in his guilty list - no reason.
Nog has McCaber down as especially suspicious for barely posting. Says he is easy to pick to lynch, maybe too easy.
Boro says it's when McCaber is more active that there is any point to lynching him.
sally too calls McCaber slippery but not sure that he's evil.
Mac says McCaber is an easy pick.

Votes for McCaber:
Lommy - because he has posted but only posted banter. Because she didn't want to vote Mira, sally or Shasta who had done the same thing. This really is a pretty throwaway vote.

Inzil - votes McCaber for having only one post. A thin case indeed.

Rikae - retracts her vote for Inzil to vote McCaber. Says it's to weed the silent ones out and means the wolves have fewer possible trailless kills.

Nog - votes McCaber as a choice between him and Shasta for being a bad sport. Given his earlier, better reasoning against others I'm assuming he actually went for McCaber out of a desire to save his own skin.

So not the most fantastic of reasons there! I understand the desire to weed out the quiet ones, it does get quiet when there are only quiet ones left, and sometimes if they're evil it does help them wander through the game. But I think in times when someone has actually got a fairer case or better suspicions about someone ignoring those just to kill off a quiet person isn't the greatest plan ever. Anyway, from the votes I'd say Nog is ok. I think he realised voting McCaber was the only way to save himself. Doesn't mean he isn't a wolf trying to save himself but this early in the game I'm pretty sure an innocent Nog would think himself more worth saving. Rikae I think was trying to make her vote count a bit more, as no one else seemed inclined to go for Inzil. Lommy could be suspicious. An early throwaway vote that ended up getting leapt on later, something she probably didn't expect.

Off to look at toDay now.

Oh yeah, and I just had to mention because it made me laugh so much:

It don't matter much whether he be sound or rotten, he surely wears his Captain Obvious hat and sails in his Captain Obvious ship.

From Shasta about Eonwe ... sorry Eonwe, but it was funny.

[Kath]

ToDay:

McCaber - says he is innocent and that he thinks Greenie is likely to be.

Shasta - says he killed Greenie. Could be a joke, could be a Fea-like reveal! I would be more inclined to think it a joke. Not sure Shasta plays that boldly. Asks about the pros and cons of lynching Greenie. Defends himself.

Nerwen - says Greenie's death could have been to try and set up Shasta or that he might be a wolf and it's a double bluff. The latter seems less likely given Shasta's 'confession'. Also pokes Rikae for an explanation. Says would be interesting to know whether the wolves would have known that Greenie couldn't dream Night 1, turns out it was in the rules so they would have known, which again to me makes him look more innocent. Says she thinks Mac is on the wrong track with Nog. Says to Mith that Nog hasn't actually mentioned her since yesterDay - if this is true it is a little odd but then Mith is playing catch up. Defends Greenie a bit, agrees that Eonwe and Inzil look suspicious. Votes Inzil for being a bit shifty.

Greenie - informs us that she is the spy. I must say I'm inclined to believe her. There would seem no point in lying. Unless she's the Cobbler and wants to trip up the real spy very early on ... but even then one lynch later in the game if someone else reveals tells us the truth, we simply lynch Greenie at that point. Says she spied Nerwen but isn't sure of her role.

Eonwe - I'm slightly confused. Seems to say that if Greenie is not the spy then the real one won't reveal so we should take what Greenie says with a pinch of salt ... but then says the wolves were either very lucky or good. Just sort of seems to go against his own point.

Nog - thinks the wolves just got lucky since the spy not having a Night 1 dream was in the rules but wonders about just how lucky they got. Says he smells a rat ... about how the wolves got the spy or whether they actually got the spy I'm not sure. Says Shasta seemed to be taking defensive measures very early on. Interesting, but I think that was more roleplay than pre-defense. Says it doesn't matter what Greenie is yet, which I agree with and said earlier I think. Suspicion of Shasta. Says he'll vote Shasta for earlier reasons or Mac for being 'impossible'.

Inzil - thinks Greenie is definitely not evil, but that if she were the spy she should have held on to the info for later use. Defends himself against Rikae.

Mac - thinks its worth believing Greenie. Says he'll have a look at Nog. Fair enough.

Mith - wonders why Nog is suspecting her and says he's on the wrong track. Says no to double lynching Greenie. Votes Nog ... I assume because he never answered her about why he thought her suspicious.

Boro - says McCaber is likely innocent and that Greenie is likely good, thus Nerwen is likely good. Again I agree. Says Nog, Shasta and Gwath are suspicious and that he'll say why later. Says there's no point in finding out Greenie's role yet, I agree. Says he has some suspicion of Gwath because his vote for wilwa was a throwaway one so late in the Day. Asks to be voted for ... in joke? Says he's tempted to vote Izzy as if she's a no show she's dead anyway. Has a look at McCaber votes, notices similar things to me ... interesting thoughts about wolf plans.

Gwath - says Greenie's role doesn't matter right now. But agrees with Rikae that people have accepted her reveal too readily. Explains rubbish reasons for voting wilwa.

Rikae - is suspicious of Greenie. Thinks Eonwe and Inzil are suspicious for their reactions to Greenie's reveal (I think) and also for how Eonwe reacted to her hunter mention. I must admit I didn't really notice his reaction, what happened there? Says Nerwen looks a bit suspicious for 'stirring the pot' over Mac's confession. Interesting idea. Says Shasta thinking about a double lynch is treacherous. I don't know, I think it's a good idea to talk things through, and he didn't advocate it, he asked for pros and cons.

Annu - says Nerwen and sally look good to her (is Annu a her?). Agrees with Rikae about Shasta, but I think has got the wrong end of the stick there. He didn't actually advocate lynching Greenie, he just asked for opinions about it. Votes Shasta - bad reasoning in my view.

Mira - says Greenie was a safe kill so it's unlikely that sally, Izzy, wilwa, Gwath and Shasta are evil as Greenie mentioned them.

Izzy - ah she is here. Thought Greenie's spy claim was suspicious but thinks double lynching her a bad idea.

wilwa - believes Greenie and thus Nerwen innocent. Thinks double lynching could be good, could be bad.

And that's all folks. So let's see:

Innocent:
Boro - I actually agree with a lot of what he's said.
Inzil - last game I was convinced he was evil and I was right, this game I haven't become that sure.
Nog - he's on his anti-quiet crusade again. It makes him abrasive but no more likely to be guilty.
Shasta - almost more because of the way people have attacked him without great reason than for what he himself has said.
Nerwen - as I'm believing Greenie right now.

No idea:
wilwa - just not enough from her to have any idea.
Izzy - same as above.
Mira - and again.
Mith - not enough.
Mac - in here til he explains his Nog stuff.

Not so innocent:
Annu - I think the way that she jumped on to the suspicion of Shasta was odd. If you actually read his post he doesn't say 'let's lynch Greenie' which is what she says he said. It just seems like she grabbed on to Rikae's suspicion and ran with it.
Rikae - for seemingly twisting Shasta's words there.
Gwath - for really bad voting reasons yesterDay, a throwaway vote when he could have had a deciding one.
Eonwe - weird explanation earlier.

I'm going to vote:

++ANNU

For reasons above.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Kath

Oh yeah, and I just had to mention because it made me laugh so much:

[captain obvious remark]

From Shasta about Eonwe ... sorry Eonwe, but it was funny.

Be ye sure that was from yer mate Shasta?

[Macalaure]

Arr! Me been thinking to have more time during day. Now the deadline be approachin' slowly and many pages to be read.

Just skimmed th' thredd for mentions of me and will now respond to those. Then I'll go try find out which of ye scurvy dogs be scurvier than th' rest.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

But ye be on th' wrong tack wi' Gunner Nogrod, I reckon.

Arrrr, ye be close to a known innocent at this point, so, if ye say so, I will let him be for now, although he literally begs for me vote.

Originally Posted by Shasta

An' he keeps 'em pearly white, Mac.

An' ye be keepin' it out of sight, I reckon?


Some of ye have been wonderin' 'bout me vote yesterDay. I first voted him 'cause he was my best suspect and hoped to bring a wagg'n goin', then retracted 'cause so did Boro, and thus the chance turning Nog into fodder for the fish seemed slim. Arr, but I crossed with Annu's vote for Nogrod. Then I had a quick look at ev'ryone again, but simply didn't find a better cand'ate and revoted him out o' frrustrration.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Yawn. I'm not going to bother piratifying this post; if you three (Rikae, Annun, Nogrod) want to lynch me for asking a question and making a joke than for any real reason, feel free. You'll notice I didn't advocate lynching Greenie, I asked for what people thought were the pros and cons. Don't twist my words.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Yawn. I'm not going to bother piratifying this post; if you three (Rikae, Annun, Nogrod) want to lynch me for asking a question and making a joke than for any real reason, feel free. You'll notice I didn't advocate lynching Greenie, I asked for what people thought were the pros and cons. Don't twist my words.

I'll take ye up on that, matey.

++Shasta

This "don't twist my words" just seals th' deal. After all, askin' fer th' "pros and cons" when the crew were already agreed not t' lynch her now looks even worse than advocatin' lynchin' her straightforward-like would: puts th' idea out there w'out gettin' yer hands dirty, ye scalliwag.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Rikae

I'll take ye up on that, matey.

++Shasta

This "don't twist my words" just seals th' deal. After all, askin' fer th' "pros and cons" when the crew were already agreed not t' lynch her now looks even worse than advocatin' lynchin' her straightforward-like would: puts th' idea out there w'out gettin' yer hands dirty, ye scalliwag.

Really? Point out to me, would you, where "the crew agreed not to lynch her". Someone forged my name, or something, because last I checked, I'm a part of the crew and I agreed to no such thing.

[wilwarin538]

Ok, so firstly I have to say that this pirate talk is totally confusing me, I don't know why I'm having such a hard time but I can barely understand anything anyone is saying, it's why I pretty much gave up trying to read everything yesterDay (plus I was practically already asleep) and just voted random. So yeah, if I misunderstand what's happening or just totally miss something completely, that is why.

So I am inclined to believe Greenie, and therefore trust Nerwen (though she could still be a cobbler right?). But it could help us to kill her a second time cause then we'd either see she is the spy and have a known innocent in Nerwen, or see that she is a cobbler and get rid of a baddie who's oppinion can't sway us negatively any longer. But it may also be a good idea to keep that as an option for when we're more desperate for information. I'd be good with either option, I'd go with whatever the majority decides, which by looks of it is choice B for now.

So I'll be around randomly for the next few hours or so, my vote will be approximately 4 hours before deadline, since DL for me is midnight. It will be more thought out I hope toDay.


x'posted with Kath and Shasta