Time to come clean - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Folwren · 05-23-2009, 12:37 PM

At first I thought this was quite humorous. And then I read some people's responses wherein the writer had apparently been stung. Then for a bit I thought it was even more humorous. But then it occurred to me, "Well, what would you feel like if someone like Elempi suddenly turned out to be your own age and not older, wiser, and more experienced?" Somewhat a disturbing thought.

However, as Dury said above, on the internet you have to be careful anyway and not give out too much personal info. I hope the close friends you have made over the 5 years don't feel too burned by this sudden change of age. (Your incorrect age was the main thing that surprised me.)

I think you should stick around. I enjoy your role-playing, when you're around to do it, and I would think it downright sad if you left the Downs after 5 years.

I have absolutely nothing to hold against you, and therefore have nothing to forgive or to excuse.

-- Foley

Legate of Amon Lanc · 05-23-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

Never... but oh, dear.... Ulumuri, I find myself looking at you hard and wondering who you are really... (Legate? Aganzir?)

No seriously, welcome to the Downs, Ulumuri.

*sigh* I fear that newbies are going to be scrutinised very heavily from now on...

(Come on, admit it, you're really Durelin, aren't you?

)

Nerwen, I know you already well enough so that I can see through you. It is pretty clear who is Ulumuri. Okay, sorry if I ruined your fun...

Nah, but really - I think you are right about the newbies. I just hope the main wave of scrutinising newbies will drop again soon. Of course the place is a bit shaken now.

Anyway, just a small, not very important note - there was one more thing I actually thought of - I see that when playing in the last WW with Kent, killing him was truly about something different than it actually seemed... now I feel about it somewhat different than I did in the game. Relatedly... I think some things might actually sort of come to our mind in realisation only gradually - but of course, the shock itself was only initial, now the rest are just minor things like this.

Boromir88 · 05-23-2009, 03:16 PM

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Anyway Boro, I have a suggestion- you could change your avatar.~Agan

I can go back to my very 1st and original avatar, this I might have had before you joined. Like?

Aganzir · 05-23-2009, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Boromir88

I can go back to my very 1st and original avatar, this I might have had before you joined. Like?

Well you had it before I joined, but not before I started stalking, so I recognize it.

I have nothing against it though, given that back then I was still under the impression that the 88 stood for your year of birth.

Boromir88 · 05-23-2009, 03:23 PM

Hey if you think I need to get another one say it, it's cool.

But that will be take a bit of time, and well I just love Wile E.

Thinlómien · 05-23-2009, 03:28 PM

Ooh cute old avvie.

Nogrod · 05-23-2009, 03:34 PM

Interesting indeed...

To state the obvious: those with whom you may have gotten a bit closer here in the 'Downs are the people you should talk about things BoroKent. We others who only know you as a resourceful, intelligent, civilised and friendly poster - and an excellent werewolf-player - you probably need not worry about.

My feelings can be read from many posts in this thread. Please stay around and continue posting as Boro, that is what we are used to and with whom we have enjoyd posting & playing so long. Someone said something like: it's easier to adjust oneself into thinking about a Boro "with a twist" than with the thought of Kent as someone "who-once-used-to-be-Boro". That's exactly my feelings now.

I quite liked this Kent-person though. I must admit. Although my experiences with him are limited to just two werewolf-games (he was just too good to be true?). After the dust settles we would probably settle with Kent as well even if it now feels odd.

But thinking about what could be a problem, how come you didn't decide to reveal your identity first to those who were nearer and dearer to you and only then go fully public? Or is that something only a 39-year old Boro would do?

Anyway that is something you have to settle down with those people (and wasn't it just that pressure that forced you to come clean with the issue in the first place?).

I don't think you will have a problem with the rest of us, especially after your frank revealment, apologies & reasons given why you did it back then which only speak good about you. Well, if not only then mainly at least.

Nogrod · 05-23-2009, 03:36 PM

Haha! *The Avvie*

I haven't seen that for a long time...

Boromir88 · 05-23-2009, 03:53 PM

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(and wasn't it just that pressure that forced you to come clean with the issue in the first place?).~Nogrod

Yes, which is why with all due respect I really don't like being called brave. I would have gone through with the plan had I not been pegged, even after a while ago receiving a message from someone who said he was doing virtually what I had been doing for all these years. I felt terrible, but that still wasn't enough to admit to anyone what I was doing. It took being caught, but I wasn't going to just runaway or leave, as this was never about "haa look at all these people I am fooling!"

Nogrod · 05-23-2009, 04:27 PM

A few comments to add before going to sleep. (Hah, sounds like a WW-game -post...)

It's clear the problem is born when people load emotions into your person, which person is not what you let us believe it is. So when you said you had a tough time at work and it was insecure whether you had your work in the future (I don't remember the details now - which just shows I was not that fully tied into your person as Boro), I remember feeling bad about it and sympathising with you, really hoping for the best and thinking about it a few times feeling sad about your possible ill fate.

But with those you had made much more closer friends, it would be really bad. Just think how they would have actually felt sad and had worried about you - for no actual reason. Well, you surely have done that already and I guess you have already received a few PM's of that sort. And if you deserve any "punishment" let those PM's be that.

And I do hope you are able to settle things with those people as I still like you a lot and would love to see you keeping up posting here in the 'Downs.

But you really did well posing as a person a lot older you are (take it as a compliment if you wish). There were situations I was a bit insecure about the way your mind worked though - assuming as I was that you were about the same age as I am. Now I can see why it was so. Or at least think I might see it.

The question of trust and the internet being the "wild-wild-west" where you shouldn't trust anyone... That's a topic for a gazillion of pages. And even if I'm one of the first to remind people that anything you encounter in the web can be virtually (in both senses of the word) anything, then again I have met a handful of 'Downers in RL and they have all been more or less what they have appeared to be around here - basically just more charming and more lovable (even the "grumpy Rune"

is the most hilarious person you could imagine to meet anywhere).

But the basic trust has been built over years of discussions around here. Now your case Boro, even if there wasn't anything malvolent behind it (which I do believe there wasn't), kind of readjusts the table a bit as you were able to keep up the appearance for so long.

Although I must say that's only a bit, to me at least. Those people you can call "predators" or something like that lurking around the internet looking for a pray rarely have the patience to wait for five years, and rarely hang around this kind of sites (I hope and pray that is correct)... So I wouldn't either suggest that you should not meet a fellow 'Downer the next time you have a chance to.

We should not give up good things from life just because of fear of something possibly being not safe (which doesn't mean one should be a fool of a Took).

Okay... Too much babbling already.

I hope we can discuss all that pains anyone, either publicly here or via PM's. And I also do hope we have Boro or Kent around in the future - but not both.

And when I finally manage to travel to the US one year or another I'm looking forwards to meeting you John(?). It may take years, a decade... whatever. But you are one of the persons I'd love to meet if I travel there.

Morthoron · 05-23-2009, 04:36 PM

If it makes you feel any better, I could care less.

Ulumuri · 05-23-2009, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Morthoron

If it makes you feel any better, I could care less.

Which, of course, means you care at least somewhat.

05-23-2009, 12:37 PM	#1
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	At first I thought this was quite humorous. And then I read some people's responses wherein the writer had apparently been stung. Then for a bit I thought it was even more humorous. But then it occurred to me, "Well, what would you feel like if someone like Elempi suddenly turned out to be your own age and not older, wiser, and more experienced?" Somewhat a disturbing thought. However, as Dury said above, on the internet you have to be careful anyway and not give out too much personal info. I hope the close friends you have made over the 5 years don't feel too burned by this sudden change of age. (Your incorrect age was the main thing that surprised me.) I think you should stick around. I enjoy your role-playing, when you're around to do it, and I would think it downright sad if you left the Downs after 5 years. I have absolutely nothing to hold against you, and therefore have nothing to forgive or to excuse. -- Foley __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

05-23-2009, 03:23 PM	#5
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	Hey if you think I need to get another one say it, it's cool. But that will be take a bit of time, and well I just love Wile E. __________________ Fenris Penguin

05-23-2009, 03:28 PM	#6
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Ooh cute old avvie. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

05-23-2009, 03:34 PM	#7
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Interesting indeed... To state the obvious: those with whom you may have gotten a bit closer here in the 'Downs are the people you should talk about things BoroKent. We others who only know you as a resourceful, intelligent, civilised and friendly poster - and an excellent werewolf-player - you probably need not worry about. My feelings can be read from many posts in this thread. Please stay around and continue posting as Boro, that is what we are used to and with whom we have enjoyd posting & playing so long. Someone said something like: it's easier to adjust oneself into thinking about a Boro "with a twist" than with the thought of Kent as someone "who-once-used-to-be-Boro". That's exactly my feelings now. I quite liked this Kent-person though. I must admit. Although my experiences with him are limited to just two werewolf-games (he was just too good to be true?). After the dust settles we would probably settle with Kent as well even if it now feels odd. But thinking about what could be a problem, how come you didn't decide to reveal your identity first to those who were nearer and dearer to you and only then go fully public? Or is that something only a 39-year old Boro would do? Anyway that is something you have to settle down with those people (and wasn't it just that pressure that forced you to come clean with the issue in the first place?). I don't think you will have a problem with the rest of us, especially after your frank revealment, apologies & reasons given why you did it back then which only speak good about you. Well, if not only then mainly at least. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

05-23-2009, 03:36 PM	#8
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Haha! The Avvie I haven't seen that for a long time... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

05-23-2009, 04:27 PM	#10
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	A few comments to add before going to sleep. (Hah, sounds like a WW-game -post...) It's clear the problem is born when people load emotions into your person, which person is not what you let us believe it is. So when you said you had a tough time at work and it was insecure whether you had your work in the future (I don't remember the details now - which just shows I was not that fully tied into your person as Boro), I remember feeling bad about it and sympathising with you, really hoping for the best and thinking about it a few times feeling sad about your possible ill fate. But with those you had made much more closer friends, it would be really bad. Just think how they would have actually felt sad and had worried about you - for no actual reason. Well, you surely have done that already and I guess you have already received a few PM's of that sort. And if you deserve any "punishment" let those PM's be that. And I do hope you are able to settle things with those people as I still like you a lot and would love to see you keeping up posting here in the 'Downs. But you really did well posing as a person a lot older you are (take it as a compliment if you wish). There were situations I was a bit insecure about the way your mind worked though - assuming as I was that you were about the same age as I am. Now I can see why it was so. Or at least think I might see it. The question of trust and the internet being the "wild-wild-west" where you shouldn't trust anyone... That's a topic for a gazillion of pages. And even if I'm one of the first to remind people that anything you encounter in the web can be virtually (in both senses of the word) anything, then again I have met a handful of 'Downers in RL and they have all been more or less what they have appeared to be around here - basically just more charming and more lovable (even the "grumpy Rune" is the most hilarious person you could imagine to meet anywhere). But the basic trust has been built over years of discussions around here. Now your case Boro, even if there wasn't anything malvolent behind it (which I do believe there wasn't), kind of readjusts the table a bit as you were able to keep up the appearance for so long. Although I must say that's only a bit, to me at least. Those people you can call "predators" or something like that lurking around the internet looking for a pray rarely have the patience to wait for five years, and rarely hang around this kind of sites (I hope and pray that is correct)... So I wouldn't either suggest that you should not meet a fellow 'Downer the next time you have a chance to. We should not give up good things from life just because of fear of something possibly being not safe (which doesn't mean one should be a fool of a Took). Okay... Too much babbling already. I hope we can discuss all that pains anyone, either publicly here or via PM's. And I also do hope we have Boro or Kent around in the future - but not both. And when I finally manage to travel to the US one year or another I'm looking forwards to meeting you John(?). It may take years, a decade... whatever. But you are one of the persons I'd love to meet if I travel there. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

05-23-2009, 04:36 PM	#11
Morthoron Curmudgeonly Wordwraith Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ensconced in curmudgeonly pursuits Posts: 2,515	If it makes you feel any better, I could care less. __________________ And your little sister's immaculate virginity wings away on the bony shoulders of a young horse named George who stole surreptitiously into her geography revision.

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