WW LXI: Grimm Tales

[Isabellkya]

Oh yes.
Gwath are you having a split personality crisis of some sort? You keep quoting yourself and responding as if it is a different person.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

*Ahem* I will vote for whomsoever adds an 'e' to 'whisky'.

And yes, I am talking letters and words instead of those dangerous parties.

Er, not that I've been to any. I just dig graves, don't you know?

Ok, if Nogrod were playing he'd be absolutely furious. Unfortunately, there are retractable votes so one is never sure if a voter is just testing the water, so to speak.

However, had we irretractable votes, those who vote for their friends based on nothing other than jocularity would be first on my list. The trick is to decide which voters are coming back and which ones will stay in bed as the killing begins.

[Thinlómien]

I'm back here... I'll write one post now, see if someone posts meanwhile and reply them if I feel like it, then vote and go. If I manage to get (most of) my today's studyings done before the DL, I will be back to discuss and to change my vote if necessary.

[Thinlómien]

I don't really like the votes so far. They seem terribly flimsily reasoned even for Day1 votes. And what's all this "I'll vote x 'cos she won't get angry"?!

The first vote was Mira for Sally for apparently no reason even though there were already two pages of posting. I don't understand how come she wasn't able to find anything even slightly suspicious in that all.

The second one was Mith for phantom. Looks like she was just having a bad day and although that isn't a reasonable reason to vote someone, I'll let it pass. Or maybe she was just joking. *sigh*

Then, there was Kath for me. Guess what? I probably like this vote the best of those given so far. She voted less than ten minutes after Mira but unlike her, she was able to make a reasonable vote based on a (minor) suspicious thing. Exactly the thing I expect people to do on Day1. Who cares if the reason to suspect is a small one? It's still better than making a total shot in the dark!

I don't get Boro's behaviour but I think people are too quick to jump on it. It could have been just a joke. *shrugs* But actually the announcement that he's getting serious and we should ignore everything he said in the first half of the Day is what puzzles and worries me the most...

Quite frankly I don't like tp trying to hint being this and that. It could be a scheme to protect the village but it also could be a scheme to help the baddies or just him having fun, both of which do not sound very good to me.

Okay, back to discuss votes. Sally voted Agan based on a weird feeling and also used the infamous "she won't get mad at me" argument. I think this vote is ok, there's nothing bad in gut-feeling votes (except that they don't really reveal much of the voter).

Fea voted Boro next. I get a very bad feeling from this vote. It looks like a carefully planned bandwagon-starter against a dangerous player or maybe even a suspected gifted.

Gwathagor followed suit, but like he reminded, he mentioned the reason to vote Boro first and his vote looks rather ok, a lot less sinister than Fea's.

Nienna voted Fea just because "it's always a good idea to lynch Fea". If she's not going to come back and retract I'm going to seriously consider voting her. There were more then three pages of posting when she voted and she couldn't think of any more reasonable vote than voting her friend jokingly!

I don't like Shasta's vote either. Although it's (at least partly) a joke/grudge vote, I don't like it at all that he joins the predominant bandwagon so carelessly. Wolves are the only ones who can afford carelessness like that.


edit: xed with Aganzir

[Thinlómien]

Haha I see Eomer and I agree for once.

[Thinlómien]

Good
Aganzir - is helpful and smart in the innocent way, I should think. But then again, she can very well pull it off like that as a wolf, so I should probably put her to the middle category for now.
McCaber - I like his style in this game and I do hope it's a sign of innocence.
Izzy - just feels very innocent this far.
Kath - reasonable and making good points.
Inziladun - doesn't just seem very evil. Yet.
Mith - making good points and being rather relaxed ooc-ly, which could mean she's innocent.

Ok
Nerwen - she's funny and laid-back and all that but she does give me a slightly troubling feeling... I want to hear more of her.
Eomer - something in his manner always rings my alarm bells and I didn't exactly like his first post but he seems surprisingly okay this time.
Sally - could be really either way.
Gaurcrist - has not posted.
Gwath - cannot judge him yet. Not ringing any alarm bells so far.
Boro - confuses me and I don't like the bandwagon against him. I'm looking very much forward to seeing the promised reasonable posts and also hearing his defense.
Lari - I guess Kath is right and whatever she could have done would have been suspicious to me. But I still don't like the vote.
Greenie - hasn't said much besides joking. Looking forward to seeing more.

Bad
Mira - like I just said, I don't like her vote.
Shasta - careless like a wolf (see my post discussing votes).
Fea - evil schemer-mastermind.
Nienna - trying to get away with a chit-chatty no trail vote? Or am I just overinterpreting it merely because I don't like it?
the phantom - I don't like the way he throws around various hints and is having ah so much fun with his role.


edit: xed with Eomer... contemplating trolls? werewolves, more like...

[Thinlómien]

++Shasta

I don't want to vote Mira because it would look like Boro's the cobbler and I'm a wolf taking his hint. Yeah, I thought that way. Silly, I know. (But now that I admitted it, I don't have any reason not to vote her? Umh... well I do actually think Shasta's worse anyway.)

I don't want to vote Fea or phantom because I hesitate before adding more votes for those who have received joking votes.

I don't want to vote Nienna because I might just be disagreeing with her playing style radically.

So, Shasta seems like the most reasonable choice for me.

I'll be back if I manage.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Trolls are more interesting and, funnily enough, similar to Wargs insofar as they have been victims of malicious propoganda for untold centuries.

++NIENNA

I may retract, depending on how the day progresses. However, her vote smacks of surviving Day One without leaving any trail. Also, if I go ahead and vote now it might lead to more discussion, which is always useful.

Now, having finished wilwa's grave, I must start on the grave for tonight. Can there be a finer way to spend a morn than working happily outdoors? "Oh what a beautiful morning, oh what a beautiful day!"

Grave-digging: a perfect profession in every way.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

The second one was Mith for phantom. Looks like she was just having a bad day and although that isn't a reasonable reason to vote someone, I'll let it pass. Or maybe she was just joking. *sigh*

Yes a bad day.... really fed up with being used as an Aunt Sally by people I thought were friends .... heigh ho

Anyway I have slept on it and will probably retract. We do need to bear in ming the Hansel and Gretel factor with this vote - I need a second opinion on this but it seems to me that someone is going to have to be 3 votes clear before it is certain they will be the lynchee?

Also I want to look at Shasta again. His reveal was so spectacularly unhelpful as an opening gambit I wonder if it is genuine. If he is not a wolf then BBW may well take a punt.... since they have nothing to lose. From the baddies perspective he is either a plain ordo with a 20% chance of being LRC or he is a gifted bluffing.

From the goodies (goody goody gum gum) perspective he has made himself vulnerable and a liability. Not quite sure that it deserves a preemptive lynch - though it is tempting. And he could be that gifted bluffing...

[A Little Green]

I'll be off for a while, I vote now just in case I don't make it back before DL. So:

++Shasta

because he seems the worst at this point. For further reasons, see my list post.


EDIT: x-ed with Inziladun

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Yes a bad day.... really fed up with being used as an Aunt Sally by people I thought were friends .... heigh ho

I hope you know I would never be that mean. I still do not understand the opposite sex (note an old sig comparing you all to cell phones...that was a disaster ). If I did, I wouldn't be struggling to hold a significant relationship that lasts longer than 18 months.

[Boromir88]

Thinking about Hansel and Gretel, since Mith has brought it up. It might be wise to hold your powers today. Use them, when we get more information and are more confident.

[Thinlómien]

Okay, I managed to get done with reading about analysis of prose style and imperialism&WW2 so I'm back here.

I must say I like Boro a lot more now that he has started taking the game seriously. He gives me the solid good innocent-Boro vibes but I'm far from sure so I'm still watching the situation. Well it may be simply that he stopped scheming...

Originally Posted by Greenie

Second thing - although only concentrating on those two is surely dangerous, I can't ignore two players completely, either. That seems very unwise.

I didn't suggest ignoring them. I suggested ignoring Boro's vote for tp. (He even retracted it like I said he would. )

Originally Posted by Greenie

Shasta - I'm alarmed by him. His "I'm ordo"-comment seemed to me a rather wolvish thing to say.

Oh, thanks for reminding me of that comment. I may even have to retract my vote for him now because I think the comment really seemed very genuine. (Of course, he could just be a baddie ensuring his future chances if he has to insist on being an ordo again, it's the easiest role to claim in this village and there aren't too many of them.) Hmm... difficult.

Eeks Agan is giving me slightly bad vibes, probably because she's suspecting me... I think our problem is that we expect each other to smart and to agree on stuff and when our expectations are failed by us disagreeing or one of us doing something the other one thinks silly we start suspecting each other...

Originally Posted by Agan

I'm not overly fond of Greenie, somehow she seems to be aggressive and grasping at straws at the same time.

Well she seems rather jumpy and cranky to me too, but I believe it might be just the Boro+tp combination that is vexing her, so I'm going to let it pass for toDay at least...

Originally Posted by Mith

Yes a bad day.... really fed up with being used as an Aunt Sally by people I thought were friends .... heigh ho

Aww sorry. *hugs*

I'm not quite sure if I like Mith's discussion of Shasta. It's somehow rather unsettling... like, I don't know, maybe it sounds a bit as if it was written by a baddie instead of a goodie?


edit: xed with Boro

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Larien for phantom: she apparently won't be back.

Boro for phantom: I'm sure he'll be back.

Mirandir for Sally: Ah, here we go. Friendly vote - will retract "if necessary".

Mith for phantom: she'll be back.

Kath for Lommy: bit of sense.


Sally for Agan: similar to Mirandir's vote, though at least she mentions she has a "weird feeling" about Agan.

Fea for Boro: maybe for being deliberately confusing or troublesome?

Gwath for Boro: similar thinking as Fea.

Nienna for Fea: same bad vote as Mirandir.

Shasta for Boro: Had apparently decided to vote for Boro before game started.


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Conclusions? Mirandir's and Nienna's votes look worst to me. Doing nothing but aiming to get through Day One leaving no trail whatsoever. "Oh, you're not suspicious - you're actually my friend, and I like you. Here's a nothing vote."

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Crossed with Lommy, who seems to think very similarly to me.

This probably means she also spends hours every day contemplating trolls.