Game Thread: Werewolf- this time it's real!

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Kent2010

I wonder if I'm just seeing something that's not there, but I think Form's looks like it doesn't fit.

It reads as a "by the way," which makes it look like it was added into the statement after the fact. I am not saying Form went back and editted what he originally wrote (there is no "edit" for the post), but I am saying I imagine wolves have to be pretty careful about what they say, and think about what they are saying all the time. This almost looks like it's something Form felt would be a good manuever to add the statement in after the fact, to make him look like he "knew better." Because it does read like a "by the way, I don't see why everyone was suspicious of Nienna yesterday."

I am deeply amused that this little interjection of mine is getting so much attention. If it reads like "by the way, I don't see why everyone was suspicious of Nienna yesterday," that's because that is very much what I was saying... but in a slightly different tense. More along the lines of "by the way, I didn't see THEN why everyone was suspicious of Nienna." Granted, I may not be helping myself with this clarification... but you ARE more or less interpreting me right--not going to complain about that.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I need to look at Form a bit more as I'm afraid some of these suspicions may stem from just the fact that we differ on many things in this game and it's easy to read disagreement as suspicious if one is not careful enough.

This is true enough. I cannot think of a general WW principle we agree on. Day 1 is an excellent case in point...

Actually, that's not true... I'm not sure if we agree about my innocence--you seem to have reservations--but, at least for the moment, I agree that you're probably innocent. I may be shooting myself in the foot by trusting you, but it occurs to me that I've disagreed with you in past WW games and had it turn out you were innocent, so for now it just feels like Nogrod is being exactly the Nogrod he ought to be.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I feel like I'm jumping around a lot today, but this -

Originally Posted by Form

I agree that you're probably innocent. I may be shooting myself in the foot by trusting you, but it occurs to me that I've disagreed with you in past WW games and had it turn out you were innocent, so for now it just feels like Nogrod is being exactly the Nogrod he ought to be.

- rings a number of alarm bells for me. It definitely seems like something a baddie would do (I know, I've seen it done before!)

Edit: X'ed with Kent and changed the person quoted from Kuru to Form.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I feel like I'm jumping around a lot today, but this -

Heh. Yes. Yes, you are.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

- rings a number of alarm bells for me. It definitely seems like something a baddie would do (I know, I've seen it done before!)

Not only have I seen it before, I'm fairly certain I've done it before. Of course, you realise that's not a comprehensive list of reasons I could be doing it. I could be a confused cobbler trying to get the wolves to know he's an ally (I'd be no use to them dead). I could be a Seer hinting at a dream (in which case this may be a very foolish post). Or I'm a gifted/ordo who really does have no good reason to trust Nogrod, but is anyway.

The same could apply to you, Shasta, since I remember not trusting you in the slightest when we've played before, but I think we've played fewer games together, and in any case the gut instinct just isn't there. Sorry.

[Nogrod]

Thanks Fea! My plan seems to work already before I had a chance to put it into practise!

Now I just need to think whether to invest my votes on you or Kuru? Or Greenie - that's a longer story but I just feel her being one of the baddies even if I can't point to any definitive case with her. Yes Kent, she looks perfcectly reasonable - and that's the whole point. A good wolf who plays the "under-radar" -style wishes to do just that: post only once or twice aDay and do not suspect too many people so that no-one feels bad with you; then come up with a suspicion you can back with an argument of any sorts, preferably something that follows the general prejudices flying around but still is something of your own (that's easier you could imagine and Greenie has made it two times now), then vanish to the shadows. She is dangerous, mind you.


PS. Izzy (and Firefoot who seems to think / or wants us to believe Izzy has a point there): I still can't see your point: there is no sense in what you say. Are you just missing something about the rules or are you purposefully trying to distract the discussion? If I give Nienna her first vote and Kuru his fifth there is no tie - no "real-tie" or imagined one! One and five votes are not a tie, they are four votes apart. Brinn's was the tying vote, fifth against fifth. It would have been the same whether I placed my votes this way or that. End of story from my part.

[Isabellkya]

o.O such usage of the bonus votes.

Me, I shall go find a dark corner to take a nap. My phone alarm is set, so I should be back a few hours before we've run out of time for our decision. Don't mind the tissues scattered everywhere; I'll clean them up. xD


X'd with Nog

[Isabellkya]

I changed the scenario, so it would be more comprehend-able Nog.
You entering with Nienna/Kuru is blatant messing with my words.
Purposefully trying to make what I say look like something from someone who is completely off their rocker.

I don't believe I'm misinterpreting the items written on the pages over there; nor am I distracting the discussion.

You want to do it your way then, eh?
You gave Nienna her first vote - whom you thought was a wolf.
You gave Kuru his fifth - whom you thought was a Cobbler.

You can, and you have argued that we didn't know whom people were yesterDay.
However even with the lack of knowledge - why would you do such a thing?
You are faced with voting for two people, one you think is a wolf and the other you think is a cobbler.
Why, would you split your votes - in favor of the one whom you thought was a wolf?

[Kent2010]

Now I just need to think whether to invest my votes on you or Kuru? Or Greenie - that's a longer story but I just feel her being one of the baddies even if I can't point to any definitive case with her. Yes Kent, she looks perfcectly reasonable - and that's the whole point.
-Nogrod

I will not vote for Greenie today, if you want to that's your choice. If you want to push your bonus votes on her, I will make a necessary move to see she is not lynched.

I would just like to point out however about Nogrod's split vote. What I questioned was why? considering he said early in the day we harped about how we "really" have to lynch someone. But I do recall in the Day -1, or somewhere in the records, Nogrod saying it would be interesting to divide your votes and seemed fascinated to try it. That doesn't mean he can't be a wolf and still do it, but I'm not sure we should lynch him based on the grounds that he was the only one to split his vote.

I'm more concerned still about Kuru and Fea's 4 bonus votes - all I can say about it right now is she is fishing for a reaction maybe?

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Kent2010

I'm more concerned still about Kuru and Fea's 4 bonus votes - all I can say about it right now is she is fishing for a reaction maybe?

Yes. What's up with those votes, Fea dear? I was going to say something when I cross-posted, but I had to be moving quickly... and I'd hoped you'd explicate with a string of one-liner posts. Or something. But this is right out of the blue! The Kuru-suspicion not so much... but the bonus votes? Typically impulsive, maybe... or cobblery-deviant? I don't know...

Nogrod, if you're looking for preferences regarding your bonus-vote splurge, between Fea, Kuru, and Greenie, I'm going to have to go contra-Kentian and say I'd most prefer you went Greenie. It's no more than slight feeling, but she's the only one of the three that even strikes me as queasy. Kuru is flat out neutral. Perhaps he'd be easier to peg if I hadn't defended him against Cobblerism, but as it is I can't push myself off the fence either way on him just yet.

As for Fea, well... I was thinking she was innocent to me (insofar as Fea ever is), but that's admittedly on rather less posting than one normally manages to get a feel off of, and that bonus vote thing is throwing a wrench into things. I'm really not sure where to put her... so as far as that goes, I would be inclined to leave her be for the day.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Kent2010

I will not vote for Greenie today, if you want to that's your choice. If you want to push your bonus votes on her, I will make a necessary move to see she is not lynched.

If you are her packmate I understand. If not, then remember that I warned you about her.

But as I'm not able to overvote you I'll leave her be toDay.

Oh my, you make this hard.

Justr straightening off this one as well as it seems to come up every now and then

Originally Posted by Kent

considering he said early in the day we harped about how we "really" have to lynch someone.

Many early posts are written "in character" as you know... but that happily soon wanes away - unless it's an in-character game where it is prerogative to write IC.

I'm more concerned still about Kuru and Fea's 4 bonus votes - all I can say about it right now is she is fishing for a reaction maybe?

My problems as well. And just as I felt I was ready to decide I see that I wawer.

EDIT: X'd with Form... and reconsidering...

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Kent2010

I would just like to point out however about Nogrod's split vote. What I questioned was why? considering he said early in the day we harped about how we "really" have to lynch someone. But I do recall in the Day -1, or somewhere in the records, Nogrod saying it would be interesting to divide your votes and seemed fascinated to try it. That doesn't mean he can't be a wolf and still do it, but I'm not sure we should lynch him based on the grounds that he was the only one to split his vote.

It is possible that Nogrod simply wanted to split his vote for novelty's sake. Otherwise it doesn't make much sense.

[Nogrod]

OMG, how many times do we have to go through this?

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

You can, and you have argued that we didn't know whom people were yesterDay.
However even with the lack of knowledge - why would you do such a thing?
You are faced with voting for two people, one you think is a wolf and the other you think is a cobbler.
Why, would you split your votes - in favor of the one whom you thought was a wolf?

Originally Posted by me in post #286, quoting this the second time

Well, one doesn't exactly know who is what on Day1, right? So voting for two people you suspect the most furthers the chances that one of them gets lynched in comparison to other candidates. It shouldn't be that hard to figure out.

I was not there on the deadline. I couldn't watch who gets lynched in the end to choose from the two only one. So then one tries to bring up those one thinks are the most suspicious to him - and in this game we have a chance to vote for two.

And it's not in favour of either of them. Both votes are valid and carry as much weight!

Okay, my last chance of trying to understand you: there was indeed a 1/17 chance I might be Pippin to be sure. Is that what you're after? Funnily you haven't mentioned that possibility yourself... it would have been much easier if you had mentioned it right away - and it would have been quite natural for you to say it out plainly if that was what you meant. It would have saved us from a lot of time spent on this unnecessary argument.

Are you possibly getting hints or orders from somewhere all the time and just don't get what they say, like "press on with his vote-case, it's a good one" - and you didn't realise it was the speculation of myself not knowing whether I'm Pippin or not which could be pressed about?

But to be honest, I didn't think about that back then. A chance of 1/17 is as good as nothing in a situation I was not too sure about either of my candidates. They were the ones I suspected, not the ones I knew were this or that. I was just wishing to have one of them lynched as I thought that would be good.

Or maybe we just have a total communication breakdown here? That might be a reasonable solution to this.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

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