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Old 04-15-2009, 09:34 AM   #11
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Don't worry, I got ya, I think it was just the wording and my own paranoia. Is it natural to think everyone is after you and around every corner your killer awaits?
Natural? Is there anything "natural" about this game? I don't know if it's natural, but it's certainly normal. Well, unless you're the phantom, maybe...

Now, let's set a few things right about the record here...

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I'm not sure why you, or Form, or Fea, or anyone assume that by Kuru putting a hint about his role in his title would be "clumsy." Clumsy would suggest he made a slip up or some foolish error. But from my understanding Kuru is a long-time player, and if he did leave some coded message in a title or post, that's purposeful not clumsiness. It looks like a clever move actually, if someone believes they can get away with it.
It's too overt, basically. Now, a cobbler CAN be deliberate--no doubt about that. It just doesn't make sense on Day 1, when you've got the whole village smelling of fish to stick yourself out an extra foot. Classic Cobbler strategy, and I've never seen anyone play a convincing game in another way, is to survive. You either survive so that the Wolves have that crucial extra vote in the later rounds of the game, or else you survive so that you can take the heat off them in the later rounds of the game.

On Day 1, there is no way that Kuru could know who the Wolves were, so I most certainly do not think he would have put himself on the line to save someone under attack (which would be who? Agan?). And if he wanted to do a pile of damage at the beginning of the game rather than the end, he could have used a stack of his bonus votes to skew things in all sorts of weird directions--either deciding the vote or making everyone else start wasting their bonus votes.

What's more, the Gríma role has an actual effective power that could be used again Lúthien at a later date--another reason for a potential cobbler to stay under the radar and live longer.

All that would be why I don't see someone as experienced as Kuru being so overt on Day 1.

Now, on to a factual error...

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And Form voted for Kuru, but he sounded like his mind could be changed about Kuru.
I most certainly did not. You need to go back and revisit my post. I am 99.9999999% certain I voted for one Nilpaurion Felagund. I did not vote for Kuru because I did not think he was the cobbler. If I had, I would have had no Nog-like qualms about killing him. A cobbler is a fine catch to make on a Day 1--but I didn't think we'd caught one.

Speaking of Nilp, I feel like I should keep more of an eye on him this game. He has a tendency to slip under my radar because of his long-standing auto-vote, self-destruct, and-guess-what?-he's-an-ordo role, and long-standing prejudices are hard to shake... and Nilp has a long standing "good guy" prejudice in my mind. Not saying he's guilty (no evidence in the slightest to do so yet), but reminding myself to do so.

More anon...
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