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skip spence · 03-08-2009, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuor in Gondolin

Grima Wormtongue-5 Morgoth-4

I will have to question that result. Or is this not a democratic board where each member's vote carries the same weight?

Nerwen, Morthoron, Durelin, Ibrin and yours truly voted for Morgoth. See, there's five of us! Has Grima payed off the judges or what?

Ibrîniðilpathânezel · 03-08-2009, 11:21 AM

Oh, dear. Canine/lupine breath or dragon breath (or Worm breath, in Grima's case). Don't care for either, so I'm bowing out of the voting. Have fun, all.

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-08-2009, 01:19 PM

Skip Spence is quite correct. I missed his
vote because it was at the end of his post
(not seperate before or after the body of the post).
That means that my posted results were incorrect,
since Morgoth wins on a tiebreaker.

Results shoul;d have been
Morgoth-5 Grima Wormtongue-5 .

So corrected final four are:
Carcharoth vs. Smaug
Glaurung vs. Morgoth

Sorry, everyone. especially Grima fans
like Legate for the error.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 03-08-2009, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuor in Gondolin

Sorry, everyone. especially Grima fans
like Legate for the error.

Gosh. In that case, Morgoth is already dead.

skip spence · 03-08-2009, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Gosh. In that case, Morgoth is already dead.

Bwahaha *evil laugh*

This is just the kind of victory old Morgy will relish.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 03-08-2009, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skip spence

Bwahaha *evil laugh*

This is just the kind of victory old Morgy will relish.

But Gríma almost won in such an admirably traitor-ish way.

Nogrod · 03-08-2009, 03:52 PM

Grima earned his victory just looking at the way it did almost happen... it's his character that won! Now this is ME Bad Popularity Cup! Do you really think something as fair as "rules" should apply here? I'm very disappointed with the final decision and hope the evil powers will twist the ending for real (like the Downs getting down just as a less known baddie is in the lead and then we can protest if someonwe wants the obvious and foreseen winner to have more time to be voted for or something).

So Morgoth seems to win... how lame indeed.

I thought people would have had some sense of sportsmanship here.

Okay. I need to wait to see which one could beat Morgoth in the final! Speak up people! Let's form a conspiracy against Morgoth and gather our banners behind the one we would be happier to see meeting Morgoth; forgetting our differences between the great werewolf and the keeper of the lonely mountain! Our enenmies just love to see us split in our ranks.

I'd go for Carcaroth but I'll be ready to vote for Smaug if it would get the better hand in the final...

And for sure I will vote for Glaurung in the next semifinal...

Legate of Amon Lanc · 03-08-2009, 04:22 PM

Very well done, Nogrod! I suggest we forge several Rings and make all the voters wear it, while we are going to secretly forge one more to rule them all. (And I will of course forge another for myself to rule that one.)

I think Smaug, if anybody, deserves victory over Morgoth and he is far likely to gather support than the wolf, I'd presume. To vote Glaurung is without question, even though I might like Melkor more in some ways, but he just does not deserve to win. That'd be truly too dull outcome of all this voting.

Nogrod · 03-08-2009, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I might like Melkor more in some ways, but he just does not deserve to win. That'd be truly too dull outcome of all this voting.

Exactly!

It's time for meta-reasoning up here! So take your time.

I'm ready to vote for Smaug if it's the one you would think that would be able to challenge Melkor. And let's join forces to beat Morgoth on the next round already. That would be our safest option...

And Legate & the subject of the rings... you just try your magic but don't be too confident with it... there may be forces stronger than that - and we need to count that in as well! Jut look what happened to Sauron with his obsession with Rings...

Rikae · 03-08-2009, 04:45 PM

It's a shame Sharky isn't here...

++Carky

Because I don't want the final to be between two dragons - boring.

Ibrîniðilpathânezel · 03-08-2009, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

So Morgoth seems to win... how lame indeed.

Welcome to the world of politics.

Actually, my "favorite" baddie wasn't even in the running to begin with. Where was Gollum?

Nogrod · 03-08-2009, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rikae

Because I don't want the final to be between two dragons - boring.

That's a case in point! But still I think getting rid of Morgoth is our task number one right now... and I'm not so sure Glaurung will beat Melkor even if we try to rally people to see the reason behind the badness here.

So where are your affinities Rikae on the next round? Are you trying to lure people into not-voting dragons to pave way for voting Melkor? Or will you stand by Carcaroth to the end?

Nogrod · 03-08-2009, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibrîniðilpathânezel

Welcome to the world of politics.

Exactly...

But happily this doesn't affect our daily income, prospects or general possibilities as politics do.

Rikae · 03-08-2009, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

That's a case in point! But still I think getting rid of Morgoth is our task number one right now... and I'm not so sure Glaurung will beat Melkor even if we try to rally people to see the reason behind the badness here.

So where are your affinities Rikae on the next round? Are you trying to lure people into not-voting dragons to pave way for voting Melkor? Or will you stand by Carcaroth to the end?

Trying to convince people not to vote for a known wolf? Cobbler!

I'm not sure which way I would go in the case of a Carcaroth vs. Glaurung final, but I share your commitment to knocking Morgoth out of the running.

I mean, sure, he's kinda cool, but if you think about it, his original claim to evilness amounts to singing off-key. I can't help but think of him as a teenage boy who annoys his father with his death metal garage band.

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-08-2009, 07:23 PM

The vote so far (I Hope)
Smaug-3 Carcharoth-2

Hey, my first year in college I failed a math course.

I then switched majors to History.

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-09-2009, 08:10 AM

+ + Smaug

Because he's no Morgoth acolyte
and could take him out on sarcasm alone.

Vote so far
Smaug-4 Carcharoth-2

Thinlómien · 03-09-2009, 08:13 AM

++Smaug

for being considerably more interesting and a more likely candidate to beat Morgoth.

skip spence · 03-09-2009, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I can lend a hand.

Oh dear. I do hope we can find a better use for your pretty little hands.

++Smaug

And yeah, hail Morgoth, Giver of Freedom and Lord of All!

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-09-2009, 11:46 AM

Vote to date
Smaug-6 Carcharoth-2

Legate of Amon Lanc · 03-09-2009, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Exactly!

It's time for meta-reasoning up here! So take your time.

I'm ready to vote for Smaug if it's the one you would think that would be able to challenge Melkor. And let's join forces to beat Morgoth on the next round already. That would be our safest option...

Obviously. However, you see, it could not have resorted to this had people not voted so carelessly the "cliché" guys like Morgoth or Sauron in the earlier rounds already... it's the same as in the previous popularity cup, where you end up with Gandalf and Frodo, or what was it... come on...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rikae

Because I don't want the final to be between two dragons - boring.

Yes, I thought about that as well - but you (all people) should have thought about that in the earlier rounds!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibrîniðilpathânezel

Actually, my "favorite" baddie wasn't even in the running to begin with. Where was Gollum?

Well, for example I don't consider Gollum a baddie... certainly not of the same sort as the Dragons, the Nazgul, Sauron... you name it. (Although there were some even in this contest, true... like the Master of Lake-Town... but with him, still, he is somewhat "plain negative" in some aspects, he is more of a baddie than Gollum, who is just too... complex to be classified as mere baddie.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by skip spence

And yeah, hail Morgoth, Giver of Freedom and Lord of All!

I say we bury him also with you, since you are so good friends...

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-09-2009, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibrîniðilpathânezel
Actually, my "favorite" baddie wasn't even in the running to begin with. Where was Gollum?

I did consider Smeagol, but especially book Gollum
is really more tragic then irredemably evil. One of the
ways PJ messed up was (and he and Andy Serkis actually
bragged about this) making Smeagol's almost turning away from
thralldom to the Ring be always idisingenuous in their version of
ROTK. Still, Gollum with the Precious would have
been a formidable candidate.

Rikae · 03-09-2009, 12:51 PM

This might seem petty but I have to note
This Tuor fellow's lines are oddly short
at first I thought there might be something more;
but scanning them revealed uneven feet.
While posting in blank verse can be quite fun
such arbitrary breaks can disconcert
and interrupt the flow and reading ease.

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-09-2009, 03:26 PM

Smaug-6 Carcharoth-2

Next: Glaurung vs. Morgoth

Morthoron · 03-09-2009, 07:01 PM

++Morgoth

I have to go for the creator over the created.

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-09-2009, 08:18 PM

+ + Glaurung

Ibrîniðilpathânezel · 03-09-2009, 08:25 PM

++ Morgoth

Still gotta go for the guy, since Gollum wasn't considered bad enough to compete.

Orcs and dragons were bred to be bad. For me, it's worse when someone has a choice to do otherwise, but still chooses bad.

Nerwen · 03-10-2009, 12:56 AM

This time I'll vote

++Glaurung

I still want to see a dragon vs dragon battle in the final!

Andsigil · 03-10-2009, 04:38 AM

++Glaurung

I have more respect for him because his default tactic wasn't to cower and hide.

skip spence · 03-10-2009, 10:02 AM

Although I've championed Morgoth I still got to vote for

++Glaurung

who's the baddest dragon ever.

Macalaure · 03-10-2009, 10:26 AM

Ok, Morgoth destroyed the lamps and chased the Valar to Valinor, which is pretty cool, but after the Valar came back and gave him a proper beating, he either uses stealth or doesn't come out of his hole voluntarily at all.

Glaurung fought in several major battles of Beleriand and did all the dirty work that Morgoth should have done himself.

As a matter of fact, Glaurung also didn't get shot off the sky the one and only time he goes into action within the story.

++Glaurung

Groin Redbeard · 03-10-2009, 11:01 AM

++Morgoth

Who needs Glaurung when you have Smaug?

Nogrod · 03-10-2009, 11:11 AM

++ Glaurung

A self-evident choice.

Lalwendë · 03-10-2009, 11:28 AM

There's something about Glaurung which is just much more bad to the bone than there is in Morgoth, probably because he nixes Turin and his lady friends.

But then Morgoth's deeds are darker and more sinister - hints of nastier things than we are used to in Tolkien...and of course it's Morgoth who creates (or at least enlists and thus empowers) all these weird and wonderful dark creatures like Dragons.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 03-10-2009, 11:43 AM

++ Glaurung

Voice of Saruman, Eyes of Glaurung... pretty close.

Rikae · 03-10-2009, 02:37 PM

I was going to vote for Glaurung, but:

++ Morgoth

Because discordant music is actually pretty cool, and because he seems to be the underdog all of a sudden.

Eönwë · 03-10-2009, 05:18 PM

++Glaurung

Tuor in Gondolin · 03-10-2009, 09:27 PM

Morgoth-4 Glaurung-8

Grima's Revenge! ?

Time for the all-dragon final

Smaug the Magnificent vs. Glaurung the Deceiver

At least two days to vote. Which should be time aplenty for
Gandalf the "good" popularity person winner to
scuttle back to Aman in terror from either worm.

Andsigil · 03-10-2009, 11:53 PM

++Smaug

Something about Glaurung's personality just seems... Oh, I don't know... slimy? Seriously- setting up a Greek tragedy with Turin and his sister? What else does he do for sport- pick the wings off of flies?

Not to mention the fact that Glaurung, for all of his supposed cleverness, isn't very bright. He crafts this rather Bond-esque plan which leaves Turin alive so he can, umm, delight in Turin's suffering(?). Leaving Turin alive in turn leads, ultimately, to Glaurung's own death. If you think about it, Glaurung's plan belongs on failblog.org: "Epic Evil Plan Fail", or something.

Smaug would have just incinerated Turin and moved on to the next opponent.

Lalwendë · 03-11-2009, 06:10 AM

Drat, missed the vote...not that it would have made a jot of difference (a bit like a real UK election then

).

Is Smaug really more clever than Glaurung? After all, he manages to let slip to a teensy Hobbit where his vulnerable part is. Would Glaurung have done that?

I really, really do not like the idea of a wyrm on wyrm fight though. You cannot have enough dragons...

Morthoron · 03-11-2009, 06:28 AM

Hmmm....I withhold judgement at the present time in order to consider the choices further.

03-08-2009, 11:21 AM	#362
Ibrîniðilpathânezel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the Helcaraxe Posts: 733	Oh, dear. Canine/lupine breath or dragon breath (or Worm breath, in Grima's case). Don't care for either, so I'm bowing out of the voting. Have fun, all. __________________ Call me Ibrin (or Ibri) :) Originality is the one thing that unoriginal minds cannot feel the use of. — John Stewart Mill

03-08-2009, 01:19 PM	#363
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Skip Spence is quite correct. I missed his vote because it was at the end of his post (not seperate before or after the body of the post). That means that my posted results were incorrect, since Morgoth wins on a tiebreaker. Results shoul;d have been Morgoth-5 Grima Wormtongue-5 . So corrected final four are: Carcharoth vs. Smaug Glaurung vs. Morgoth Sorry, everyone. especially Grima fans like Legate for the error. __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

03-08-2009, 03:52 PM	#367
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Grima earned his victory just looking at the way it did almost happen... it's his character that won! Now this is ME Bad Popularity Cup! Do you really think something as fair as "rules" should apply here? I'm very disappointed with the final decision and hope the evil powers will twist the ending for real (like the Downs getting down just as a less known baddie is in the lead and then we can protest if someonwe wants the obvious and foreseen winner to have more time to be voted for or something). So Morgoth seems to win... how lame indeed. I thought people would have had some sense of sportsmanship here. Okay. I need to wait to see which one could beat Morgoth in the final! Speak up people! Let's form a conspiracy against Morgoth and gather our banners behind the one we would be happier to see meeting Morgoth; forgetting our differences between the great werewolf and the keeper of the lonely mountain! Our enenmies just love to see us split in our ranks. I'd go for Carcaroth but I'll be ready to vote for Smaug if it would get the better hand in the final... And for sure I will vote for Glaurung in the next semifinal... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

03-08-2009, 04:22 PM	#368
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Very well done, Nogrod! I suggest we forge several Rings and make all the voters wear it, while we are going to secretly forge one more to rule them all. (And I will of course forge another for myself to rule that one.) I think Smaug, if anybody, deserves victory over Morgoth and he is far likely to gather support than the wolf, I'd presume. To vote Glaurung is without question, even though I might like Melkor more in some ways, but he just does not deserve to win. That'd be truly too dull outcome of all this voting. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

03-08-2009, 07:23 PM	#375
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	The vote so far (I Hope) Smaug-3 Carcharoth-2 Hey, my first year in college I failed a math course. I then switched majors to History. __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

03-08-2009, 04:45 PM	#370
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	It's a shame Sharky isn't here... ++Carky Because I don't want the final to be between two dragons - boring.

03-09-2009, 08:10 AM	#376
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	+ + Smaug Because he's no Morgoth acolyte and could take him out on sarcasm alone. Vote so far Smaug-4 Carcharoth-2 __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

03-09-2009, 08:13 AM	#377
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	++Smaug for being considerably more interesting and a more likely candidate to beat Morgoth. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

03-09-2009, 11:46 AM	#379
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Vote to date Smaug-6 Carcharoth-2 __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

03-09-2009, 12:51 PM	#382
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	A short off-topic rant, if you don't mind This might seem petty but I have to note This Tuor fellow's lines are oddly short at first I thought there might be something more; but scanning them revealed uneven feet. While posting in blank verse can be quite fun such arbitrary breaks can disconcert and interrupt the flow and reading ease.

03-09-2009, 03:26 PM	#383
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Smaug-6 Carcharoth-2 Next: Glaurung vs. Morgoth __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

03-09-2009, 07:01 PM	#384
Morthoron Curmudgeonly Wordwraith Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ensconced in curmudgeonly pursuits Posts: 2,515	++Morgoth I have to go for the creator over the created. __________________ And your little sister's immaculate virginity wings away on the bony shoulders of a young horse named George who stole surreptitiously into her geography revision.

03-09-2009, 08:18 PM	#385
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	+ + Glaurung __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

03-09-2009, 08:25 PM	#386
Ibrîniðilpathânezel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the Helcaraxe Posts: 733	++ Morgoth Still gotta go for the guy, since Gollum wasn't considered bad enough to compete. Orcs and dragons were bred to be bad. For me, it's worse when someone has a choice to do otherwise, but still chooses bad. __________________ Call me Ibrin (or Ibri) :) Originality is the one thing that unoriginal minds cannot feel the use of. — John Stewart Mill

03-10-2009, 12:56 AM	#387
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	This time I'll vote ++Glaurung I still want to see a dragon vs dragon battle in the final! __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

03-10-2009, 04:38 AM	#388
Andsigil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Deepest Forges of Ered Luin Posts: 733	++Glaurung I have more respect for him because his default tactic wasn't to cower and hide. __________________ Even as fog continues to lie in the valleys, so does ancient sin cling to the low places, the depression in the world consciousness.

03-10-2009, 10:02 AM	#389
skip spence shadow of a doubt Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the streets Posts: 1,125	Although I've championed Morgoth I still got to vote for ++Glaurung who's the baddest dragon ever. __________________ "You can always come back, but you can't come back all the way" ~ Bob Dylan

03-10-2009, 10:26 AM	#390
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	Ok, Morgoth destroyed the lamps and chased the Valar to Valinor, which is pretty cool, but after the Valar came back and gave him a proper beating, he either uses stealth or doesn't come out of his hole voluntarily at all. Glaurung fought in several major battles of Beleriand and did all the dirty work that Morgoth should have done himself. As a matter of fact, Glaurung also didn't get shot off the sky the one and only time he goes into action within the story. ++Glaurung

03-10-2009, 11:01 AM	#391
Groin Redbeard Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Facing the world's troubles with Christ's hope! Posts: 1,635	++Morgoth Who needs Glaurung when you have Smaug? __________________ I heard the bells on Christmas Day. Their old, familiar carols play. And wild and sweet the words repeatof peace on earth, good-will to men! ~Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

03-10-2009, 11:11 AM	#392
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	++ Glaurung A self-evident choice. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

03-10-2009, 11:28 AM	#393
Lalwendë A Mere Boggart Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: under the bed Posts: 4,737	There's something about Glaurung which is just much more bad to the bone than there is in Morgoth, probably because he nixes Turin and his lady friends. But then Morgoth's deeds are darker and more sinister - hints of nastier things than we are used to in Tolkien...and of course it's Morgoth who creates (or at least enlists and thus empowers) all these weird and wonderful dark creatures like Dragons. __________________ Gordon's alive!

03-10-2009, 11:43 AM	#394
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	++ Glaurung Voice of Saruman, Eyes of Glaurung... pretty close. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

03-10-2009, 02:37 PM	#395
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	I was going to vote for Glaurung, but: ++ Morgoth Because discordant music is actually pretty cool, and because he seems to be the underdog all of a sudden.

03-10-2009, 05:18 PM	#396
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	There's no way I'm not going to vote for... ++Glaurung __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place

03-10-2009, 09:27 PM	#397
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Morgoth-4 Glaurung-8 Grima's Revenge! ? Time for the all-dragon final Smaug the Magnificent vs. Glaurung the Deceiver At least two days to vote. Which should be time aplenty for Gandalf the "good" popularity person winner to scuttle back to Aman in terror from either worm. __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

03-10-2009, 11:53 PM	#398
Andsigil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Deepest Forges of Ered Luin Posts: 733	++Smaug Something about Glaurung's personality just seems... Oh, I don't know... slimy? Seriously- setting up a Greek tragedy with Turin and his sister? What else does he do for sport- pick the wings off of flies? Not to mention the fact that Glaurung, for all of his supposed cleverness, isn't very bright. He crafts this rather Bond-esque plan which leaves Turin alive so he can, umm, delight in Turin's suffering(?). Leaving Turin alive in turn leads, ultimately, to Glaurung's own death. If you think about it, Glaurung's plan belongs on failblog.org: "Epic Evil Plan Fail", or something. Smaug would have just incinerated Turin and moved on to the next opponent. __________________ Even as fog continues to lie in the valleys, so does ancient sin cling to the low places, the depression in the world consciousness. Last edited by Andsigil; 03-11-2009 at 12:03 AM.

03-11-2009, 06:10 AM	#399
Lalwendë A Mere Boggart Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: under the bed Posts: 4,737	Drat, missed the vote...not that it would have made a jot of difference (a bit like a real UK election then ). Is Smaug really more clever than Glaurung? After all, he manages to let slip to a teensy Hobbit where his vulnerable part is. Would Glaurung have done that? I really, really do not like the idea of a wyrm on wyrm fight though. You cannot have enough dragons... __________________ Gordon's alive!

03-11-2009, 06:28 AM	#400
Morthoron Curmudgeonly Wordwraith Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ensconced in curmudgeonly pursuits Posts: 2,515	Hmmm....I withhold judgement at the present time in order to consider the choices further. __________________ And your little sister's immaculate virginity wings away on the bony shoulders of a young horse named George who stole surreptitiously into her geography revision.

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