Tol-in-Gaurhoth LVII - Chess Game for Middle Earth: Game Thread

[Isabellkya]

It is quite interesting that the tune being sung toDay; is muchmuch different than yesterDay/ Even different compared to the beginning of toDay.

Crunch the numbers. Crunch crunch, crunch them again.

Balance. Sometimes balancing a game isn't easy. It gets more complicated, the more roles added to the game. So every possible scenario has to be worked out in the head before hand. There are points. Yes, the Gifteds couldn't be replaced until they'd all died. Assuming of course, everything that Brin has said is correct - which I don't believe on a couple of points. So as long as the WQ was alive, she could turn out Gifted's. Which kind of nulls the Black Piece kills at Night. They might as well of tossed a coin; rather that make strategic kills.

Another note. Mnemosyne. Why so eager to follow Brin around toDay? Seems quite odd, especially compared to what you said earlier.

No one knows anything. There are no "known" roles what so ever at this point in the game.

All that a non-working scry would mean is that the player already has a special role. If she had scried Noggie Night 1 it would have told her absolutely nothing.

Oh! But earlier toDay, you were saying something COMPLETELY different!
Why the change? In this case, the rules for this power - are the same for everyone it applies to. You can't choose the meaning of it differing on the player you are talking about it in context with.

In terms of the Voting Power. In my opinion, clauses should have been made to the role - in the event that the WQ lived a long time.
Because, such as a situation now; if the WQ was able to give herself the extra voting power; then there would be no way for th black pieces to win.


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[Isabellkya]

Then again, I doubt the White pieces could win either.
I'm thinking it will end in a draw.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Izzy

Then again, I doubt the White pieces could win either.
I'm thinking it will end in a draw.

How could neither White or Black win?

Oh wait, I know how. It seems there's no point in even trying anymore. Because in the end, Shasta's just gonna award the win to the Grey Team. I can see it now:

"Game over.

Black Queen loses.

Black Team loses.

Black Pawn loses.

White Team loses.

Mithalwen wins."

Darn that Grey Queen!

[Mithalwen]

I like that....

*giggles*

[Mnemosyne]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

How could neither White or Black win?

Oh wait, I know how. It seems there's no point in even trying anymore. Because in the end, Shasta's just gonna award the win to the Grey Team. I can see it now:

"Game over.

Black Queen loses.

Black Team loses.

Black Pawn loses.

White Team loses.

Mithalwen wins."

Darn that Grey Queen!

Well, there's no use pretending any longer.

I am the Grey Pawn; I've secretly been in cahoots with Mith all game. As soon as I set off this reality bomb it'll kill off all of us but her and then the moral victory shall be mine.

[Brinniel]

Btw, I do read too much into things because in the past I did not read into them enough. So really, I don't know what to think.

Right now my gut says Rikae and Izzy are both wolves. But I'm not making a decision yet. I'll be back in a few hours.

[Isabellkya]

Actually, I'm not going after you in some conspiracy or trickery to get others to vote for you.
I'm merely pointing out the inconsistencies.

If you crunch the numbers, a draw is the most likely outcome.

[the phantom]

By the way, what do you make of this?

Originally Posted by Shasta

"Oh, here, let me do it," Sauron snarled as Gandalf moved to take it. He snatched up one of his own pieces and knocked his own rook off the board. Gandalf didn't notice that he left the piece in place of the rook, as he was busy watching Sauron's other hand move a piece and knock a White Bishop off the other side of the board.

Does that mean that either the Black Knight or Bishop now has the ability to hunt (took the Rook's place)? If so, then killing a WW today might lead to Brin going down too, and then we'll be toast the next day if the WW succeeds in not killing the Cobbler.

Am I reading into the narrative too much, and it was merely supposed to mean that Sauron was cheating? If it does mean something, we must take it into consideration when we're deciding which individual to vote for today.

Brin? You're the one who ultimately has to make the call. Who do you think is the safest kill?

I have to get ready for service now, and so possibly I won't be around again until the last couple hours before the deadline.

[Mnemosyne]

Originally Posted by the phantom

By the way, what do you make of this?

Does that mean that either the Black Knight or Bishop now has the ability to hunt (took the Rook's place)? If so, then killing a WW today might lead to Brin going down too, and then we'll be toast the next day if the WW succeeds in not killing the Cobbler.

Am I reading into the narrative too much, and it was merely supposed to mean that Sauron was cheating? If it does mean something, we must take it into consideration when we're deciding which individual to vote for today.

Brin? You're the one who ultimately has to make the call. Who do you think is the safest kill?

I have to get ready for service now, and so possibly I won't be around again until the last couple hours before the deadline.

Frack, this added to Izzy's "you still don't know all of what's going on neener neener" does not make me feel good...

Although if that were the case, why would Rikae act the way in which she acted?

(Unless she's the cobbler.)

Which would make me prefer to get Rikae toDay, personally.

[Mnemosyne]

Or unless Rikae was just trying to make us all overconfident or something.

Ouch, my brain.

I'm going to need to relax for a bit if I'm to have the energy to keep up with this game and reality. Ta-ta for now!

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Mnem

Frack, this added to Izzy's "you still don't know all of what's going on neener neener" does not make me feel good...

Although if that were the case, why would Rikae act the way in which she acted?

(Unless she's the cobbler.)

Which would make me prefer to get Rikae toDay, personally.

Hmm... Okay, forgive me for being slightly self-centered here, but do you think it is possible that Rikae truly did/does believe I am the Cobbler, and because of that she revealed herself as the Bishop in hopes that I would then take my cue from that and support an Izzy lynch over a Rikae lynch, since then Izzy would be the one with the hunting power?

But of course that would assume that she's assuming that I would even come up with the idea of the Knight being changed to a Hunter. Has she or Izzy left any clues to help lead a Cobbler to this conclusion, and they assumed Cobbler-Phantom would pick up on them?

I would do a quick skim-through to check, but I really must be going.

See everyone a couple hours before the deadline or so.

[Mnemosyne]

Possible, maybe, but I get the feeling that once again we're grasping at straws.

And that's all that's happened since the last time I checked... man, endgame is quiet!

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Shasta
"Oh, here, let me do it," Sauron snarled as Gandalf moved to take it. He snatched up one of his own pieces and knocked his own rook off the board. Gandalf didn't notice that he left the piece in place of the rook, as he was busy watching Sauron's other hand move a piece and knock a White Bishop off the other side of the board.

I think this is merely referring to the fact that the Black Queen is the one that killed the Black Rook. Though I suppose the underlined part really doesn't make sense....unless maybe since that happened Fea was aloud to be in contact with the other two black pieces?? Maybe they still got their 2 kills but they were aloud to work together instead? So in a way she'd be taking Lariren's (the Rook's) place.

[Mnemosyne]

Originally Posted by Izzy

Oh! But earlier toDay, you were saying something COMPLETELY different!
Why the change? In this case, the rules for this power - are the same for everyone it applies to. You can't choose the meaning of it differing on the player you are talking about it in context with.

Not that it's worth my time, but could you give me my earlier, contradictory quote? Honestly, I'm quite sick, and I've gotten things wrong with my number crunches in the past. So I may have changed my mind upon realizing the rules better.

As for why I'm "following Brin around," I think that should be quite obvious: I trust her. She had obviously clued into sally's Hunterness before anyone who didn't know about this during the Night could have known. And she explains Noggie's death. We don't know everything? Well, if there's anything else we haven't learned those players have taken their secrets with them to their grave.

I don't know why you're going after me, but it's not going to work. If you think that somehow through a single or double-bluff you can get phantom or wilwa (whichever is innocent) to suspect me to the point that they'll vote me over you or Rikae you have another think coming.