Tol-in-Gaurhoth LVII - Chess Game for Middle Earth: Game Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

wilwarin538 · 03-01-2009, 01:03 PM

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But I'd rather see you take the initiative than one of our "unknowns."

Well since these unknowns are you, phantom and I, and we know Brinn is innocent, perhaps we should find a way to work out a tie between Rikae and Izzy, and then see what happens?? Though I suppose that could go terribly wrong...K, never mind, bad idea, we'll just wait I guess, see what Brinn thinks when she gets back. Wow, this is stressing me out,

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I have an essay that needs some attention anyways, I'll be back later.

Rikae · 03-01-2009, 01:12 PM

No, Brinn, it was completely unbalanced. The wolves couldn't eliminate the gifteds, but couldn't make more of themselves. You had the ability to find out the alignment of whoever you scried, and the ability to break a tie vote; you are a good wizard + more, and there is no role on the evil side to balance that.
As for being able to Night-Kill you, I can't speak for the other baddies, but what I said about the WQ's role yesterDay was my best guess. It would have made more sense, when the BQ couldn't generate extra baddies.

wilwarin538 · 03-01-2009, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

No, Brinn, it was completely unbalanced. The wolves couldn't eliminate the gifteds, but couldn't make more of themselves.

How could the wolves not kill the gifteds? That makes no sense to me.

The White Queen balances out the fact the this game had gifted wolves, and that there was 2 kills per Night. The wolves still had a great advantage.

Rikae · 03-01-2009, 01:21 PM

Er, Brinn just said she could replace the gifteds. So the wolves could kill all they wanted, they couldn't eliminate them. I did my reveal yesterDay on the assumption there was one gifted left.

Rikae · 03-01-2009, 01:29 PM

Ok, fine. The game was entirely balanced. A dueling wizards game with only one wizard is just dandy.

You innocents really deserve your victory. An endless supply of gifteds and triple vote power. Yeah. I hope you're proud of yourselves.

Rikae · 03-01-2009, 01:33 PM

--Rikae

++Brinn

And that's all. Do what you like. I'm fed up with this game and won't be saying another word in it, whether you lynch me or not.

EDIT: X'd with Wilwa, who doesn't seem to realize that a wolf-seer is practically useless when new gifteds are being generated.

Mithalwen · 03-01-2009, 01:57 PM

as one of the more temperamental werewolf players, I am not going to criticise anyone for getting stressed, I have no right moral or otherwise. I understand how easy it is to get frustrated.

However as a word to the wise, may I suggest a deep breath, and a pause before posting anything too personal / critical?

love Mith

the phantom · 03-01-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Brin

Don't worry, I promise you no Black piece has been given extra vote power.

Well, if you can give yourself the power, then we've probably got this thing won. Kill one of those two, use your Ranger creation gift overnight, and if you are successful at it the Ranger will protect you and you can give yourself vote power and we win. If you don't create the Ranger correctly you'll know precisely who to give the vote power to (won't you?). I guess technically the WWs could gamble correctly and kill that person, and then the game would end in a coin flip.

But still, it's a pretty safe bet.

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Originally Posted by Wilwa

Well, there's our cobbler if you ask me, I'm definitely not planning to go along with that vote.

You accepted that a little too quickly, Wil.

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Originally Posted by Rikae

Izzy, Phantom, I'm serious - go ahead and follow my vote.

I'm not in your service, dearie. As is obvious from yesterday's activities, I doubted your claim, and came into today expecting someone to counter it.

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Originally Posted by Wilwa

Besides, what wolf reveals her other wolf, no matter how much it looks like they'll lose? Which it seems it's what she's doing here. "Didn't I say we should kill her?" , no, I'm having a hard time believing she's an actual wolf.

But if she isn't, you'd say the final Wolf would have to be Mnem, right?

I haven't really been watching her all that closely. I've kind of just been writing her off as innocent throughout. *sigh* I don't really feel like going back and reading her zillions of posts.

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Originally Posted by Brin

If anything my guess would be that phantom is our cobbler, mostly for his interactions with Fea.

M'dear, I already explained earlier that when I saw that her first post spelled "VIP show" backwards, I had been working under the assumption that she was Gifted. Had I been the Cobbler I would've mistakenly lynched her when I had the chance.

But honestly at this point it does little good to debate me. We already know I'm not a Wolf, and that's what really matters here. We're aiming for a Wolf, plain and simple.

Brinniel · 03-01-2009, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

No, Brinn, it was completely unbalanced. The wolves couldn't eliminate the gifteds, but couldn't make more of themselves. You had the ability to find out the alignment of whoever you scried, and the ability to break a tie vote; you are a good wizard + more, and there is no role on the evil side to balance that.

Nah, you could eliminate them, and you did eliminate them faster than I could make new ones. And considering I've only been successful once, it's not like I've been making gifted upon gifted. And Mnemo's right, if you hadn't killed Kath on Night 4, I wouldn't have been able to assume that Fea was evil. And anyway, I am not a Good Wizard since I cannot make baddies ordinary and am no more immune to kills or lynches than any of you. Nor did I have the option of communicating with any gifteds unless the seer dreamt of me. In time you'll see it is balanced; right now you're just frustrated because you realised your fake reveal has signed your death warrant.

Speaking of that fake reveal, if I had those abilities that you claimed, it would've been even more disadvantageous to you. Because then I would've been able to dream of you last Night and know exactly your role, then hunt and possibly take another baddie down the following Night. And of course if I had those abilities, then Izzy would've died on Day 2, not Nogrod. When I think of it that way, I kinda wish I had a seer/hunter ability instead...

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Originally Posted by wilwa

x'posted with Rikae....almost want to vote her just out of annoyance...

Yeah, I feel you. But this isn't the first time Rikae has gotten irritated in the middle of a game, so I wouldn't want to vote her for that reason alone.

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Originally Posted by Mnemo

But I'd rather see you take the initiative than one of our "unknowns."

Yeah. Just keep in mind that if the two White Pawns do follow my vote, then it should be at least 5 votes for Rikae or Izzy. Also, my guess is that the final unknown baddie will want to remain hidden for as long as possible and so it is less likely they'd take initiative and more likely they'd go with the flow. Plus, if you guys decided to vote now, you can still retract later.

I really need to leave sometime in the next hour so I can get my schoolwork done before the Avid lab closes. So I will vote when I return.

Mnemosyne · 03-01-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

You had the ability to find out the alignment of whoever you scried

Actually, come to think of it, that only was the case after all the original gifteds were already dead!

All that a non-working scry would mean is that the player already has a special role. If she had scried Noggie Night 1 it would have told her absolutely nothing.

So that particular aspect of the role is only valid when we lowly innocents are already down in our numbers!

wilwarin538 · 03-01-2009, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

Actually, come to think of it, that only was the case after all the original gifteds were already dead!

All that a non-working scry would mean is that the player already has a special role. If she had scried Noggie Night 1 it would have told her absolutely nothing.

So that particular aspect of the role is only valid when we lowly innocents are already down in our numbers!

Exactly. In most other games the 3 wolves and the 3 gifteds makes it all balanced, this time we had 4 gifteds (and only a small possibility of more) with 3 gifted wolves, plus two Night kills, the White Queen had to exist to bring it back to equilibrium. Rikae should not be complaining, the fact that technically half of us are good and the other half bad, with so few left, shows that this game didn't really give one side a bigger advantage over the other, it's totally fair.

x'posted with Rikae....almost want to vote her just out of annoyance...

03-01-2009, 01:33 PM	#6
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	--Rikae ++Brinn And that's all. Do what you like. I'm fed up with this game and won't be saying another word in it, whether you lynch me or not. EDIT: X'd with Wilwa, who doesn't seem to realize that a wolf-seer is practically useless when new gifteds are being generated. Last edited by Rikae; 03-01-2009 at 01:37 PM.

03-01-2009, 01:57 PM	#7
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,460	Grey Queen enters... as one of the more temperamental werewolf players, I am not going to criticise anyone for getting stressed, I have no right moral or otherwise. I understand how easy it is to get frustrated. However as a word to the wise, may I suggest a deep breath, and a pause before posting anything too personal / critical? love Mith __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

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03-01-2009, 01:12 PM	#2
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	No, Brinn, it was completely unbalanced. The wolves couldn't eliminate the gifteds, but couldn't make more of themselves. You had the ability to find out the alignment of whoever you scried, and the ability to break a tie vote; you are a good wizard + more, and there is no role on the evil side to balance that. As for being able to Night-Kill you, I can't speak for the other baddies, but what I said about the WQ's role yesterDay was my best guess. It would have made more sense, when the BQ couldn't generate extra baddies.

03-01-2009, 01:21 PM	#4
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Er, Brinn just said she could replace the gifteds. So the wolves could kill all they wanted, they couldn't eliminate them. I did my reveal yesterDay on the assumption there was one gifted left.

03-01-2009, 01:29 PM	#5
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Ok, fine. The game was entirely balanced. A dueling wizards game with only one wizard is just dandy. You innocents really deserve your victory. An endless supply of gifteds and triple vote power. Yeah. I hope you're proud of yourselves.