Tol-in-Gaurhoth LVII - Chess Game for Middle Earth: Game Thread

[the phantom]

*casually glances at thread before crawling into bed*

*does double take*

Told you there'd be a reveal!

So, if Brin is to be believed (it sure looks convincing to me), all that matters at this point is who has the extra voting power. I doubt she gave it to Rikae or Izzy. So if she gave it to Wilwa or Mnem, and they are the Black Pawn, we lose. If she gave it to me or whichever of those two is a White Pawn, we win.

Anyway, after this bombshell no doubt there will be plenty of posts to wake up to.

Good night!

[Mnemosyne]

Originally Posted by phantom

Anyway, after this bombshell no doubt there will be plenty of posts to wake up to.

Plenty of posts from Rikae, at least.

Ah, but we don't know if you're the cobbler, phantom.

And it could be that actually Rikae or Izzy is the cobbler.

[Mnemosyne]

Okay, so when Rikae did her fake reveal, she must have assumed that the actual White Queen would counterreveal.

So this could mean a number of things.

1). She was the Black Pawn and guessed lucky.

Pros for this argument: holy cow, this wreaks havoc, which is a cobbler's duty!

Cons: She guessed lucky. Seriously?

2). She was the Black Knight and was pushing her mate Izzy under the bus.

Pros: If she pulled off an Izzy-lynch, presumably everyone would trust her and lynch whoever counterrevealed.

Cons: Being down a Wolf with a Bear still in play? Ouch!

3). She was the Black Knight and was pushing the Black Pawn under the bus.

Pros: Well, that's a good use of a cobbler!

Cons: She couldn't have known Izzy was the cobbler, only a known innocent. So we'd have clued onto her pretty quick, and this without us knowing what exactly the WQ could do!


So what does that make Rikae? Who knows? Either way, if we're down a baddie and then down a goodie toDay, it'll just be a repeat of toDay toMorrow, depending on how exactly night kills play out.

Brinn, I am following your lead on this. But Rikae's a bold player and I'm inclined (and hoping) to think that option 2 is the correct one.

[Isabellkya]

o.O
That scheduling works. So... give the next three pages for responses?

Just a question or two Brin.

If you knew Sally to be the Hunter. Which would garner some amount of trust, one would think. Sally believed me to be a Black piece of some sort - so why try to turn me into a White Knight? Seeing as you voted for me two Days in a row. Why not try to turn another player - giving the village a better chance at winning?

[Mnemosyne]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

o.O
That scheduling works. So... give the next three pages for responses?

Just a question or two Brin.

If you knew Sally to be the Hunter. Which would garner some amount of trust, one would think. Sally believed me to be a Black piece of some sort - so why try to turn me into a White Knight? Seeing as you voted for me two Days in a row. Why not try to turn another player - giving the village a better chance at winning?

On the other hand, sally's opinions are just sally's. Far better, IMO, to have a known baddie--especially if this works as a method of cobbler detection, which seer dreams cannot give.

[Isabellkya]

True indeed. Opinions belong to the owner.
However, an extra Gifted would most surely hand a win to the Village.
Because, why would Brin survive the night?
Only one person goes at lynchtime.
So, if like you theorize that toMorrow would be a repeat of toDay. If there was a White Knight around - they could protect during the night. Meaning, toMorrow would not be a repeat of toDay.

How does it work as a means for Cobbler detection?

[Mnemosyne]

Forgot about that whole Knight save thing... Ah, well, there's one more Night ahead of us at this rate, eh? (that's the exclusive, not the inclusive "us," dear)

But if Brinn tried to scry a cobbler, she'd get back that "does not compute!" error, meaning that she'd know that person was evil. Not necessarily that she was a cobbler, but certainly evil. So if she scried phantom and got back "evil" she'd know exactly what he is.

[Isabellkya]

I'd say we have the whole Day ahead of us.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by phantom

So, if Brin is to be believed (it sure looks convincing to me), all that matters at this point is who has the extra voting power. I doubt she gave it to Rikae or Izzy. So if she gave it to Wilwa or Mnem, and they are the Black Pawn, we lose. If she gave it to me or whichever of those two is a White Pawn, we win.

Don't worry, I promise you no Black piece has been given extra vote power.

Originally Posted by Izzy

If you knew Sally to be the Hunter. Which would garner some amount of trust, one would think. Sally believed me to be a Black piece of some sort - so why try to turn me into a White Knight? Seeing as you voted for me two Days in a row. Why not try to turn another player - giving the village a better chance at winning?

Well for one thing, even if Sally was innocent, it doesn't mean she is necessarily right. Also, I may have voted for you twice, but never because I was convinced of your guilt. Day 3 I voted for you because I found it more likely that Hansy was innocent and wanted to save him. YesterDay I stated I really didn't want to vote for you because I didn't suspect you all that much. But since there was no chance of lynching Fea, I wanted to at least prove Rikae is lying. Though now I realise that your death would've just given her claim even more validity if you are indeed the Black Bishop.

Considering that both Fea and Rikae tried to get you lynched on Day 2, I thought it less likely either could be your packmates. Obviously I was wrong. Really, I should've remembered...this is Rikae and Fea we're talking about here. But discovering you were evil was not all that bad since it increases our chances of lynching a wolf.

Of course either one of you could be the Black Pawn, and I can't know for sure which two of the other three are White Pawns. But even if we get this wrong and lynch the cobbler instead, we'll still have toMorrow thanks to the gift of vote power.

Originally Posted by Mnemo

But Rikae's a bold player and I'm inclined (and hoping) to think that option 2 is the correct one.

Yes, that is what I think as well. Though I'm not sure.