Tol-in-Gaurhoth LVII - Chess Game for Middle Earth: Game Thread

[satansaloser2005]

I'd just like to point out that my new icon is fabulous.


And changed to it because Phantom was a loser and ditched us tonight.

[Isabellkya]

Crunch the numbers.. it doesn't add up.

*wanders off to make dinner*

[Mnemosyne]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

Crunch the numbers.. it doesn't add up.

How do you mean?

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Ooh, a false reveal. I was wondering when this was going to happen.

Now I think I know two Black pieces. And if we can eliminate them, then we'll be cutting our enemies in half. A very good outlook indeed so long as the rest of us won't let the baddies convince us otherwise.

So who are you then???

So I am inclined right now to believe Rikae. Her behavior goes along with her claimed role, I think, anyway, except for the rather hurried reveal. She does seem to be busy, though...

I have no idea about Sally. I've been wondering about her being the Black Queen.

phantom, I think you're a cobbler. You still have yet to say, I believe, what color pawn you are.

Also, just a note because of that:

Originally Posted by Sally

Kath's dreams
Night One: Phantom (white pawn)
Night Two: Noggie (white knight)
Night Three: Sally (white pawn)

You said earlier that phantom was dream of as a White Pawn, as well. Which shouldn't happen. It should just be "pawn"/"innocent". Yes, I am being picky.

Also, if you were just dreamt as a White Pawn.....?

[Brinniel]

One reason I can say why Rikae is obviously lying is because if Kath didn't dream of Sally, who could she have possibly dreamt of? Kath wouldn't leave us clues for the first two Days, then none for Day 3; she's not that type of seer. Her sudden turnaround towards Sally's innocence clearly indicates that she dreamt of her. Kath never mentioned anyone else's innocence on Day 3 and if she dreamt of a baddie, she would've voted for them.

I'm trying to decide whether to lynch Rikae because she could possibly be the Black Pawn. Then again, she could be another Black piece impersonating the cobbler. I don't like how these reveals leave us distracted; we cannot only focus on them. When I'm feeling better, I will analyse Fea...I still prefer lynching her. And if not Fea, then Rikae.

[Mnemosyne]

Brinn, I'm up for Fea, too. I do not want to lynch Rikae; I want to see what (if anything) happens to her at Night.

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

One reason I can say why Rikae is obviously lying is because if Kath didn't dream of Sally, who could she have possibly dreamt of? Kath wouldn't leave us clues for the first two Days, then none for Day 3; she's not that type of seer. Her sudden turnaround towards Sally's innocence clearly indicates that she dreamt of her. Kath never mentioned anyone else's innocence on Day 3 and if she dreamt of a baddie, she would've voted for them.

You're missing the point where Rikae's reveal doesn't actually have to conflict with Sally's innocence. She does not claim to have dreamt Sally. Sally claims she is a second hunter, and even seems to believe Rikae. The problem lies in there being a second hunter!

[Brinniel]

Yes, she didn't dream of Sally. So why vote her instead of Izzy when Kath's dreams point towards Sally's innocence?

[Durelin]

Brinn and Fea have both been very hung up on the seer dreams as 'proof' against Rikae. If Rikae's telling the truth, I wonder about them a bit. I mean I'm a skeptic as well, we should be, but both Rikae and Sally's claims fit fine with the seer dreams.

Except that Sally claims to be a second hunter. Grahhhh??

Anyone else like to reveal?

I call Evil Wizard!

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Dury, you are being picky. Actually, my dreams of pawns came back "White Pawn", so that makes me trust Sally more.

Well, sorry, how am I to know?

But that is interesting.

See? I did good.

Or just I'm the only one who thought Shasta would use a more neutral term. But then, that the cobbler just shows up as 'innocent' can mean they just show up as 'white pawn'...

[Durelin]

So. Why are we not voting for a known wolf?

What do ye mean here:

Originally Posted by Rikae

Anyway, it may not be a bad idea to lynch one of those four after all. You know where I stand on Izzy, tp and Wilwa; we know what Sally claims to be. The night's events may shed some light on things, and give us a chance, if we have two gifteds, to keep both.

You mean, have both of you survive the night...?

Originally Posted by Izzy

If you were dreamed of by Kath as you claim Sally; and as a white pawn. Then, I think that would mean you would not be able to be in contact with her. As it states the Bishop may contact one whom she has dreamed of - if they are a Gifted. But since you claim the result was a White Pawn; how exactly is that a Gifted?

Regardless of Izzy's identity, I would like to hear about that, too!

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Durelin

Or just I'm the only one who thought Shasta would use a more neutral term. But then, that the cobbler just shows up as 'innocent' can mean they just show up as 'white pawn'...

Perhaps you got hung up about the exact wording that Shasta uses when telling Seers their dreams because you are the Black Seer and Rikae's comments were inconsistent with the way you've been receiving news all game?

Just a hypothesis, of course. *glares*

I know I'm being stubborn. I do. I'm being the dog-with-a-bone I accused Nog of being earlier in the game. I just learned my lesson already about not following through on my intuition. If you turn out to be a wolf and I don't try to get you killed, Durelin, then the wolves deserve a sweeping victory.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

She's saying that she was turned after Kath dreamt of her, which is why she appeared as a white pawn and they couldn't communicate.

This would make sense, except it's killing me to admit that there might be another White Hunter. I mean... why the eff would there be?

It really doesn't seem fair to just create roles willy nilly once players have been fairly killed on either side of the board. It would be like if Shasta was sitting around going, "Well, I really wanted the wolf team to win, so even though the village just killed the last one, I think I'll deputize this player."

I don't like it.

I mean... I'd be all for believing in the honesty of Good players if I wasn't so unsure of Sally. It just... seems like such a cobbler thing to do. And what cobbler wouldn't want to go down in history as the one who convinced an entire village, including the gifted good guys, that xe had a good role that didn't exist?

I just... I'm hesitant, is all. Especially when I'm so convinced of Durelin's guilt, but nobody else seems to hear me when I talk about it.

You can't all be wolves, so what's with this ignore Fea routine?

I mean... I know that it all hinges on the wolves thinking the same things about Kath that I suspected, but Durelin's careful reference to solely the two players that we're all pretty settled on as being dreamed of?

It seems way to good to be true.

And yeah, I mean, I'm not saying I don't also think Izzy's a good lynch choice, because you'll notice that I've been trying to lynch her for a while now, but I'm so much more convinced of Durelin.

I want to believe Rikae, so if she tells me flat out that I must vote Izzy toDay, I'm not going to butt heads with her: we'll find out fast if she was lying, if Izzy turns out to be a good guy.

Originally Posted by Izzy

The only way that could've happened - is if Kath dreamed of her again.

Or if the dreamed-of status sticks and the dreamers get updates as roles shift. I don't know if this is true, because as I've made abundantly clear, I have absolutely no clue what's going on, apart from a bunch of people saying things that seem too good to be true...

Originally Posted by Sally

Basically I don't know how it works. I got a PM at Day Four's dawn and was told I was the new white rook. I got a PM from Kath the next Night saying that she'd dreamt me the Night before and she was able to PM me now.

In a really twisted way, this makes so much sense.

I'm baffled.

[Rikae]

Dury, you are being picky. Actually, my dreams of pawns came back "White Pawn", so that makes me trust Sally more.

I could vote for Fea, I suppose. She seems more cobblerish than anything worse, though.

[Isabellkya]

What is wrong with following the seer?

Nothing if you are following a dream result. If you are following them purely based on them being the seer; then there is definitely something odd and off. Just because they are the seer does not in any way make them all-knowing and infallible. Furthermore, it shows that you are not actively searching for baddies; but sitting back and twiddling your thumbs.

If you were dreamed of by Kath as you claim Sally; and as a white pawn. Then, I think that would mean you would not be able to be in contact with her. As it states the Bishop may contact one whom she has dreamed of - if they are a Gifted. But since you claim the result was a White Pawn; how exactly is that a Gifted?

X'd with Durelin

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

What is wrong with following the seer?

Nothing if you are following a dream result. If you are following them purely based on them being the seer; then there is definitely something odd and off. Just because they are the seer does not in any way make them all-knowing and infallible. Furthermore, it shows that you are not actively searching for baddies; but sitting back and twiddling your thumbs.

If you were dreamed of by Kath as you claim Sally; and as a white pawn. Then, I think that would mean you would not be able to be in contact with her. As it states the Bishop may contact one whom she has dreamed of - if they are a Gifted. But since you claim the result was a White Pawn; how exactly is that a Gifted?

X'd with Durelin

Ah. I thought I'd explained that well, but I guess not.


I was dreamt night three, when I was still an ordo. I was changed at the END of night three. Frankly, I don't know how it works.

Kath would have gotten the dream back as 'white pawn', but then when I was changed I suppose Shasta updated her dream. Or else he did something really cracky that I couldn't possibly guess.

Basically I don't know how it works. I got a PM at Day Four's dawn and was told I was the new white rook. I got a PM from Kath the next Night saying that she'd dreamt me the Night before and she was able to PM me now.

[satansaloser2005]

EDIT: Post currently under edit, as dictated by the mod. Thank you for your patience.



Straight from Shasta, via IM.


"Kath (and the Black Bishop) got/get their dreams at the very beginning of the Day, and since you can't PM during the Day...."


There's the explanation, children.

[satansaloser2005]

Erm....so I thought I'd posted this but it just sat in a different tab for a while. Have at it, ladies.


9 players

Baddies
1 Black Queen
1 Black Knight
1 Black Bishop

Goodies/Others
1 White Queen
1 White Rook
4 Pawns (1 black, but counts as ordo in tally)

If we kill an innocent toDay, and two innocents die in the Night, we're down to odds of 3/3 and the game's over.

If we lynch and innocent and either Rikae or I are hunted and we take down a bad player, it's 2/3, with a cobbler so really 3/2 and the game's still over.

If we lynch a wolf or the Black Queen toDay (preferably the Queen so we eliminate a double kill) and two innocents die in the Night we're at 2/4, reality of 3/3 and the game's over as long as the black pawn knows who to follow.

If we lynch a black piece and either the Rook or Queen are killed at Night and take a baddie with them, we're at 1/5, reality of 1/4.

Of course, odd circumstances may include both 'baddie sets' aiming for the same piece or an incorrect hunt by either Rikae or myself, but those are some of the basic situations we'll find ourselves in.

Also keep in mind that we have two known innocents, assuming that Rikae isn't lying. Just saying.


Rikae, I suggest you hunt toNight. And sorry for being odd earlier; I didn't realize you could only hunt or dream in a Night, not both. In that case don't bother to dream me, use your power to help the village rather than save your sanity.


EDIT: I'm kind of retracting my 'Rikae should definitely hunt' theory, based on recent discussion. I just didn't want to do the post over when I realized I'd done it a while ago, so sorry if it isn't aligned to what we've been discussing or whatever.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Sally

If we kill an innocent toDay, and two innocents die in the Night, we're down to odds of 3/3 and the game's over.

But who said that the wolves and the Black Queen intend to team up to take down the village? How then would either team win?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

But who said that the wolves and the Black Queen intend to team up to take down the village? How then would either team win?

I'm not saying they will. But both of them (queen and black team) have to eliminate the innocents to win. I dunno, it was just a possibility to throw out there.

[Brinniel]

I don't know what Dury and Izzy's roles are, but I fear if we lynch one of them, we may lose.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I don't know what Dury and Izzy's roles are, but I fear if we lynch one of them, we may lose.

Assuming that Rikae's telling the truth, Izzy's the black bishop.


I think Durie, being the dangerous player that she is, would be a good night kill, so maybe she had to save herself one Night as the....well, the Knight?

Heck if I know.

I'm still not discounting the fact that you (Brinn) may be guilty.