Tol-in-Gaurhoth LVII - Chess Game for Middle Earth: Game Thread

[the phantom]

Okay, I finished my Day 1 Nog read. He looks pretty clean. Just Mnem to do now.

And then to skim everything from today...

[Mnemosyne]

To Izzy: Brin's vote yesterDay worried me because I had thought she jumped in there with little to no reasoning, especially on a "save Fea" count. I had clean forgotten about her post which said that the situation was reminding her of the previous game, which is some reasoning. On rereading her posts, I was not only reminded of that post, but also of some other ones beforehand in which she had suspected Gwath in his own right.

That's why my suspicion of her has slackened.

[the phantom]

Okay, finished Mnem's Day 1 stuff. I'd say she probably isn't a creature of the night.

Now I'm reading Day 2 stuff. I'll read it straight through instead of going person by person. Stay tuned...

[Isabellkya]

Ah, okay. Thank you for elaborating Mnemosyne.

At the moment, I am not feeling to well about:

Sally - because I've seen this sort of behavior before. She is always quite silly, and usually has a lot of banter. As entertaining as it is, it makes it a bit hard to get a good read on her. The thing that sticks out most in my mind is her double claiming of innocence in one post. She hasn't been under a heavy firing squad, pressuring her to reveal something. So, why would she sort of preemptively do it?

Kath - mostly because of the seeming flip she does in a span of a few posts. She says that I'm possibly not a baddie, because I was being consistent. Then comes back and votes me, saying that I haven't been as original as in previous games. Wouldn't that sort of be a sign of inconsistency? Otherwise, I would just feel unease towards her for unclear reasoning.

Lari - I'm not sure what it is. I think it is the seeming blindness in terms of Fea which bothers me about her.

Otherwise I'm not entirely sure.

Hansy, Phantom, Fea and Mnemosyne don't bother me.
Nog I think is over thinking things, which I think is usual. But there was a sense of waffling in the beginning of toDay.
The others, I just don't have a read on.


X'd since #307.

[Isabellkya]

++ Sally

Because, she has made me feel uneasy about her. Her explanation/response did not change it. Especially her #309 post. It seemed to me that part of it said "Well, I don't see anything wrong, but since others have voted - there must be something there." The way it was said, it seemed like she would go back specifically looking for something to find that was wrong, so she could make a vote out of it. I could very well be over thinking it. But it was the tone in which it was said.

I don't feel comfortable voting for Kath or anyone else toDay, however I think Kath should be looked into toMorrow.

I think Mirandir needs a looking into toMorrow as well. Call me confused (which I am). But you say Kath has an "epic" analysis, which is way bigger than mine. But you put me on the "analysis=evil" list, yet not her. What is up with that?

X'd since #323

[satansaloser2005]

++Hansy


For reasons stated above, and general bad feelings about him.


I suppose if the ickle kitty turns out innocent I'll have to buy him a car or something to make up for it.

[the phantom]

So is Izzy's fate sealed already?

[Mnemosyne]

...Sure looks like it...

This should be interesting.

[the phantom]

Meh...

++Nogrod

Just because I feel like it.

EDIT: xpost with at least last 2 posts

[Mirandir]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

I think Mirandir needs a looking into toMorrow as well. Call me confused (which I am). But you say Kath has an "epic" analysis, which is way bigger than mine. But you put me on the "analysis=evil" list, yet not her. What is up with that?

Essentially what it boils down to is that I'm ridiculously over tired and you had more posts analyzing more things whereas she had one (or possibly two) reeeally long one.

++Mnem

Reasoning when it's not really close to deadline and I'm paranoid about missing it again.

[Brinniel]

++Nogrod

Reasons already have been stated. I find him to be very suspicious as of now and that's that.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by tp

So is Izzy's fate sealed already?

If everyone spreads out their votes like this, then yeah.

[satansaloser2005]

Okay, so I....erm....kind of fell asleep. Sorry about that. Back now though, I'm sure you'll be happy to hear, so to business!

Well, to business after the brief announcement of 'Yay, Nog went to bed!'


So a few people are voting for Izzy. The problem is that I've gone through her posts and didn't see a whole lot that was troublesome. I'll have another look, because I know I miss stuff a lot, but for now I don't see what the big deal is with her.

By the way, I should have mentioned the obvious, it seems. Both of the last minute votes for Gwath troubled me because of....well because they were last minute votes, but of the two of them Brinn's obviously bothers me more because it came with less warning and could easily have been a last minute attempt to save an evil Fea. I assumed that went without saying so I didn't mention it, but I keep forgetting that just because something is obvious in my brain doesn't mean that people will know it's in my brain at all.

I'll have to look around a bit more before I vote. Hansy still is unsettling to me, just to put that out there, and there are a few others that I have feelings about, but nothing terribly concrete at the moment.

Oh, and somebody (sorry, I'm too lazy to go back and look who it was, if both things were even mentioned by the same person) mentioned that A: I pointed out my innonence too much and B: I suspected Nerwen more than Fea but voted for the later anyway. Well, to respond to that.... When I'm innocent I'm more than happy to point it out to the rest of the class, and while I know no one will automatically believe me I figure I may as well tell everyone whose side I'm on so they know....well, so they know that if I say weird stuff, it's because I'm thick, not because I'm evil. And I did say that I suspected Nerwen more, but I also realize that Nerwen and I for some reason seem to always suspect each other regardless of role so I took that into account when voting and decided that my 'vibe' against Fea was actually more trustworthy than what I had seen in Nerwen's post.

Off to read things again.

[satansaloser2005]

Grrrr now that I'm reading through Hansy's posts again, I can't help but find him looking like a chimney sweep. I think I'll just go through and analyze his posts and hope that either I get a clearer grasp of what's wrong or that I'll change my mind.


EDIT: x'd with lovely Lari

[Mnemosyne]

Lari, thanks for giving me some more substantial information.

And to answer your question, normally on the 'Downs cobblers are not allowed to communicate with the wolves, unless they try to do so in-game through veiled statements that everyone else can pick up on.

[satansaloser2005]

Well, that sucks. Sorry, I was all ready to do an analysis of Hansy but when my computer crashed it must not have saved the posts I'd multi-quoted. My apologies, because now my post'll probably be semi-close to the deadline. Suffice to say I'm considering voting Hansy, just so it doesn't come as a surprise. Other than that though, I'll just see how things go. I don't want a repeat of yesterDay.


Back soon with an analysis.

[Mnemosyne]

40 minutes till and I'm still oblivious...

Confusticate all these people and their bebothered lists!

Went through the posts of those whose I hadn't gone through yet, and am still finding next to nothing, even as more and more people (thanks, btw!) give me something to work off of!

I have to agree that Durelin's 180-comment looks odd, since Brin did leave enough evidence in posts beforehand that she found Gwath suspicious.

Hansy doesn't look as helpful as he had used to, though I looked at all his posts out of context which meant I suffered from the full force of all that rules and strategy spec.

I find it fascinating how people are either totally for Izzy or totally against. I don't want to join one camp or the other!

But it is odd that so many people apparently independently all decided to vote for her.

I'm still going to leave Nog alone as his reasoning still sounded so sound. But now (and if you've read my posts at all this Day, you'll see how much I've been wavering!) I may have to look into the cases of those who have voted for her so far.

Maybe everyone else is picking up on something I'm not picking up on. But using my shoddy boil-everything-down statistical reasoning at least one baddie has voted for her already.

[Mirandir]

Everything's based on toDay's posts, since I really don't have time to go through yesterDay's as well.

the phantom - Said it before and I'll say it again - not voting him or Fea this early in the game. ToMorrow however, fair game.

Wilwa - Didn't see much of him toDay, but what there was wasn't suspicious.

Lari - Defends her vote and makes vote analysis, but nothing suspicious looking.

Fea - see the phantom. Also paraphrases things that some of us are too lazy to read all the way through ourselves.

Izzy - Lots of analysis; if we were playing the "analysis = evil" game she'd be up there.

Rikae - Vote analysis of last night, looked at Izzy and found her guilty. Could be a wolf throwing another wolf under the bus to cast suspicion off herself.

Kath - Need to hear more from. Her few analyses were pretty epic though.

Hansy - Same feelings as yesterDay, but don't have much more to go on toDay

Sally - Not much from her toDay (I think) but what there was didn't strike me as

Nog - Oodles and oodles of analysis, but that's pretty normal for him.

Mnem - Same as Izzy

Durelin - Need to hear more from.

Brinn - Wasn't around much toDay.

Steve - Was sick and thus won't hold not being around against him.

SO. Based on the "analysis = evil" game [b]Nog, Izzy[b], and Mnem are at the top of the list. And as much as I hate playing that game, chances are I'll end up voting for one of them for lack of better candidates.

[satansaloser2005]

All quotes by Hansy. Oh, and I speak of the chess pieces by their piece gender; whether I refer to them as male or female holds no hint as to who I think is in that particular role. Also, I'm talking about the Black Queen whenever I mention the Queen unless otherwise stated. Thanks for tuning in.


ETA: You're welcome to skip this post until later, as I know it's really close to the deadline. Again, apologies.

Erm. Hello. Nice to know you all, besides those I knew already. [Sally doesn't know me. But I know her... well, her name.]
I'm taking hours writing this post. This is so wrong.

Yes. Because that's not at all awkward. Heh. Moving on....

*deep breath*

I can start by introducing myself. You can call me Hansy... it's not that long so it doesn't need to be shortened. Reminds me of what you did to poor Beregond last game. I read the books some time ago. They were fun, but too long to be true. So I don't remember most of it. I liked Aragorn and Legolas (yay I'm so creative!). And I like kittens. You probably figured that out after seeing my avatar.

About the werewolf... well, this is quite a different experience. I took my time reading the previous game... [I skipped Sally's spam show] and I would always agree with Legate. The guy that apparently was wrong all the time. But I liked his reasoning. I hope you'll forgive me, but I don't think I'll bold names... unless I start writing bigger-than-huge posts and it gets really hard to read. Which I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon.

Now let's talk about roles. Hi Nerwen.

[Random Comment 3: Well, at least this time people aren't roleplaying. I just can't do that.]
[Random Comment 4: The icons below the textbox strangely remind me of Zelda.]

Where are random comments one and two? Sorry, I'm weird like that. Okay, so he tells us a bit about himself, comments on the last game (of which he missed all the important posts, I'd like to point out *sulks* so yeah....kill him just for that hehe) and otherwise nothing really of consequence.

Oh, and there's more. They have a Ranger, so there's always one element on the team immune to the Black Queen attacks. The Black Bishop can dream of her, leave some clues and basically blackmail them into helping the team's job. If by any chance they're attacked by the Queen, she is as good as dead, and they can just attack her back - and if she happens to kill the Hunter, he will probably be hunting her, and kill her.

Now, one question for the host. If the Black Bishop dreams of the Black Pawn, will it turn like a Black Pawn? Or instead, like a White Pawn?

Talking about the giftedness of the evil team. Just rule clarification, not much to comment on other than he seems to want us paranoid about how screwed we are as a village. Then again, others (myself included, in a way) did the same thing, so I'd hardly lynch him based on that.

I would say the Black Queen HAS to kill the Black Bishop, for her own safety. Her life is doomed from the point the Black Bishop finds her - if he does, sooner or later, the Werebear will die. The White Bishop provides the same danger, in a different way - if they are revealed, and reveal the Black Queen at some point, she can be used as a "hired gun" for the innocents - actually, I just thought it can't happen, because if we tell the Queen who she kills, the Black Knight can just protect their target. Unless they're already dead.

Why would the Queen listen to us anyway? This form of logic makes no sense, regardless of the Black Knight's Night picks. And from here it just gets weirder.

Of course it's not good for her, but if she's given the choice between being executed and helping the innocents, what would she go for?

Neither, because she knows as soon as we were done with her we'd kill her. And she would know it, so why not take some innocents down and at least try to assure some form of baddies the win, as opposed to being the village's willing slave until she outlives her usefulness and is slaughtered? I'm just sayin'.

They're a different evil than the three gifteds; either way, they have no choice, really. They can rebel against the innocents, trying to help the "wolf" team - but a win for the wolves is not a win for the werebear.

And I thought PM conversation was banned here... but then what stops the Black Bishop (or a teammate) from PMing their findings and misleading them?

True, but if it was me I'd at least want my 'side' to win. Kind of like when (and no, I'm sincerely not bitter, it's just a good example....sort of) I was cobbler for a wolf team involving Boro and they killed me at Night. Or....even better, Agan in the last game, once turned, became a wraith and was a baddie. I'm not explaining this very well, for which I apologize, but basically while they're two different teams I would think that the Queen would still want the innocents to lose, even if she could not triumph.

It is banned, except when expressly permitted by the mod. What stops people from PMing? Honor and decency, my darling. We're all fair players here, even if we like to screw with each others' heads a bit.

It would work if they want to try second place instead of third, if they care. And if numbers are tight enough, they actually might get a shot at winning... but we don't want that so in that case there was no possible deal.

I think it was Rikae who responded to this and rightly said, "There is no second place in Werewolf." See what I said above. Besides, once the Queen's outted she's done. Either the wolf team will kill her or we (the innocents) will.

Yeah, the wolves can PM each other, but in a game like this I don't think it would be fair for the Black Bishop to let the White Bishop PM the other innocent roles, as it's cutting them out on a possible strategy of pretending to be the White Bishop - and that actually applies to other games, just like in last one... now I'm thinking of what chaos would happen if the Cobbler decided to PM guess the Ranger or something

Now he's just trying to lead the discussion to role speculation and away from actually catching a baddie toDay. This is something that really bothered me, as he continues to hammer his points home even after they're proven unrelated to the game play.

I meant that they could talk to the ranger saying they were the seer. Ignore the fact that it would require massive amounts of skill/luck to ever work, it was a really random thought, but my point is that if you're allowing the gifteds and only the gifteds to PM each other (again, besides wolf team), they're proving their roles to each other, and that kind of goes against the spirit of the game... "informed minority against uninformed majority", if the gifteds know each other for sure, they are just like a wolf team, with the advantage of having lots of plain innocents on their side, and the disadvantage of not having a night kill.

Hmmmmm. Interesting point, but if I'm correct the gifteds can only PM each other if the seer dreams the ranger, etc. Other than that they're basic gifteds.

Nemo [?!], you aren't new here, are you?

See, if you'd watched the Sally Spam Show you'd have seen some of her lovely work. Shame on you, you duck hater.

The wolves have their nightkill too. it's a risky move, but the reward would be huge: controlling two kills a night, making sure their players aren't going to be incriminated. Or even better, making the Black Queen look bad, so that the innocents focus their attention on her.

@Nogrod: I don't plan to do such thing if I ever get a cobbler role, don't worry. just brainstorming here.

He's back to saying how the baddies should probably be playing. Again, worriesome, though time seems to be running short so I best get a move on.

Just pointing out that I'm a boy.

Good to know, love.

Yes. (But I want my newbie status nonetheless) It is way too different from the way it is played here, though. It relies heavily on roles; I can't remember the last time I played with plain innocents/ordos before this game, for example, and there are second places (answering to Rikae, which I believe I missed before). You play almost like Mafia - and the way everyone's active, and analyse each other's posts to find which people are lying, it's an interesting approach that I wanted to experiment. I was trying to do my part on creating useful discussion - I didn't want to be misinterpeted as the cobbler or wild theorizer or whatever.

"I know I look bad, but I'm cute and new and cuddly, so you can't kill me." Bwah!?!??!?!?

(Though at this point, I should be pretending I am the cobbler. It would certainly be more fun but not helpful, yeah.)

Again, bwah?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!? You don't pretend to be the cobbler, dude. That gets you killed, first of all, and if you're pretending to be cobbler you may as well have the role. (Yeah, I know, I've done it once or twice, but that's because I'm not the juiciest apple in the basket, so it was uninentional. This is different.)

Now I realized I should've done the analysis bit earlier; because it's almost 4am here, and my brain is certainly not functioning how it should. So, as voting is mandatory, I'll just flat out avoid having anything to do with it.

++Fea

"Revenge vote", I don't think you'll execute a veteran today anyway; here's the promise to check on Day 1 happenings tomorrow, the first thing I'll do is to re-read stuff and write my first of those oh-so-famous lists.

At least he has the....erm, the masculinity, I suppose, is the polite way to say it....to say that he's revenge voting. But that doesn't really make it any better.

Okay, after reading Day 1 up to my last post, I think that, had I done it earlier, I would've probably voted for Sally. She's done basically the same as last game - besides that, instead of disappearing after the banter, she vaguely comments stuff that has been discussed already - thus adding nothing useful, maybe trying to look good. That's mostly post #73.

I think Nogrod is evil. I don't quite know why I feel that way; I'll look him again, trying to find it out.

The Fea/Nogrod case; she was seeing clues in her own post before Nogrod had said anything (excluding his pretty Alice quote - could that be taken as a hint itself? I have no idea). So, she was at least prone to think there was something hidden, Nogrod happened to answer her back, the character is called "Han Solo" itself, pretty convenient for an hint... but there's more to that. You'll notice Fea was herself making more and more questions, just like if she wanted to get more "evidence" against me. So, what is this about? I claim she plotted the whole thing from the beginning, to incriminate me. But why me? I should be just a silly newbie. The thing is, I was a last resort solution. Because she wanted to incriminate Lommy. But she isn't playing. So, she thought, why waste such a brilliant plan to break havoc in the game? And it happened.
Of course, all that tells us is that Fea is an evil mastermind. It says nothing about her alignment in this game - and I'm tempted to believe she's most probably innocent. But that leads us to another funny subject, "Save Fea!"

Most of you shall know this business better, but here's the pattern I noticed:

1. Fea acts suspiciously and puts herself in line for execution.
2. Fea's fan club panics and focus on a random lynch to save Fea from being executed.
3. The random lynchee turns out innocent. Now Fea may, or may not, be in even more danger.

So, it's not really efficient.


Making lists is a hard work. I discovered that while trying to make one, during the Night. Well, you can have this:

Likely innocent:
Lari, Fea, Rikae, Isa, Brinn (although she doesn't count because it seems she will always look innocent).

Likely evil:
Sally, Nog, Mira, Eonwe

I have no idea:
Durelin, Kath, TP, Nemo

----

that's all for now, going off for dinner.

(crossed since Nog's post 586330, probably there's a whole new page already)

No time to comment on this properly -Sorry!- so I'll try to keep it brief. I like his commentary on the "save Fea" thing, although I'll be the first to point out that his theory about Fea's vote seems rubbish to me. Fea's not going to accuse a newbie without a good reason. Then again, wanting her 'shadow' gone could have been a good enough reason for her.

Originally Posted by Hansy

Okay. I decided I'm following my gut on this one.

++Nogrod

I don't like the way many of his posts sound; too calculated, too "polished" as he said itself. And I think he's trying to divert us on going after "cobblers" - just compare the time he spent analyzing Fea, then he throws an Izzy vote out of nowhere.
I wanted him to be around to give his thoughts on this; I'll come here later, myself.

Erm....I think I'm reading this wrong, but it sounds as if he's saying "Noggie doesn't want us going after the cobblers, so he's guilty." Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Still, I don't think that Noggie being 'polished' is a reason to kill him. He's always like that, so I'm hesitant to kill him for being himself, at least right away. Then again, I can never read Noggie, so I'm hardly the expert.



Okay, done finally. Posting and refreshing. X'd since my last.

[Isabellkya]

--Sally
++Nog

Sorry, but I feel I need to make a more direct move to save myself, as my defense seems to have been overlooked.

[Brinniel]

I'm here. Sorry I haven't posted...I had time to read throughout the Day, but I didn't get the chance to actually write something. But I'll be here until deadline.

Originally Posted by Durelin

Brinniel, as far as I can tell, did a 180 from voting Fea and to voting Gwath at the last minute.

I don't know how you could possibly see me pulling a 180. I never said I was going to lynch Fea; I said I'd probably vote her if I couldn't find a better candidate. I stated three people I considered voting for, Gwath included. And in the couple posts following, I started to back off on Fea.

Originally Posted by Kath

If they're not baddies then how can they be on the hook?

Those two may no longer be on the top of my suspicion list right now, but as I said, I want to re-examine everyone. Fea and Eonwe may look more innocentish than before, but I'm not gonna make the mistake of completely disregarding them since I can't know anything for sure.

As of now, Noggie is the one who's bothering me the most, and for many reasons:

1. His weird theory about the White Queen being the one to kill Eomer instead of the Black Queen. I suppose it's possible the WQ could be some sort of assassin, but I highly doubt it. For one thing, there's enough roles that have the ability to kill at Night as it is (there were six, now five), I don't think Shasta would add another...it'd be just too much bloodshed. These wild theories Nogrod comes up with are both weird and misguiding.

2. His apparent certainty that Fea is the cobbler. Really? You're that sure after only one Day? C'mon, we all know Fea is an odd one, and I do always find it difficult to figure her out. Noggie said he couldn't see how her behaviour could possibly be that of an innocent, yet he knows that's not necessarily true because he said the same thing last game and she was an innocent. Even if Fea is cobblerish, it doesn't mean she is.

3. He keeps indicating that he's likely to get Night-killed any time now. I don't know why he thinks he'd make such a great target...just because he did last time. I know it's typical for an innocent to occasionally comment their worries that they might be killed soon, but the fact that he keeps repeating it is what I find troublesome.

4. Noggie's always one to analyse and overthink, but it almost seems he is doing it to an excess. Of course this is only based off of feeling, which doesn't make it a very strong reasoning, but I had to mention it. It's primarily the other three reasons that cause me to suspect him.

I'd like to examine everyone else carefully, but I don't know if I have enough time for that. But I'll try.

[Lariren Shadow]

All right, I'm going to vote now so I can pretend to get some sleep/finish reading for tomorrow.

++Hansy

His reasoning just rubs me the wrong way. I don't like it. I keep rereading his posts and they keep striking me as, well, guilty.

[the phantom]

Finished skimming today. My eyes are tired at this point. I'm going to spend a few minutes getting my stuff ready for tomorrow morning and I'll be back. For now, a list-

Won't Never Vote For
the phantom

Won't Vote For
Wilwa
Lari
Fea
Izzy
Rikae

Probably Won't Vote For
Kath
Hansy
Sally
Nog
Mnem

Which Leaves
Durelin
Brin
Mira
Steve

I reserve the right to change this list completely and totally at the drop of a hat.

[Brinniel]

Mirandir: I'd really like to hear more from her as she hasn't posted all that much of substance. It is odd that she didn't make it to vote when she posted a vote count so close to deadline, but I can't say it's particularly suspicious. It could've easily been an innocent's mistake as she so says.

Durelin: Her comment about not defending someone just because they're a friend is a good one, but it's a comment anyone could've made regardless of role. I'm still trying to figure out how she thought my vote was a 180. I'm a bit worried about her, though a lot of it is just based on vibes. I need to hear more from her in order to have a stronger opinion, and sadly it look like that won't happen toDay due to RL reason. For that reason alone, I won't consider voting her.

Fea: Seems like the typical Fea...slightly chaotic. Like I said, I always find her difficult to figure out. I'm inclined to think she may just be an ordo, but I can't say for sure.

Izzy: Seems to be our primary lynch candidate toDay. I'm not sure why...I found her posts to be fairly sensible. Though at the same time I have no strong desire to save her if need be, as I don't see anything directly pointing towards her innocence.

the phantom: Seems to be acting oddly ordinary. I mean, just yesterDay he called himself Sauron and now he's the chess board janitor. What happened to the all-important, self-centered phantom I'm used to seeing?

Probably shouldn't have said aloud. I really shouldn't be provoking such behaviour...

Sally: I still think she is more likely innocent than guilty, but I'm certainly not confident about that. She seems like her typical self, though perhaps even more thoughtful.

Lariren: Reading her posts, I feel pretty good about her. She looks pretty innocent.

wilwarin: I'm still adjusting to what her style is; so far I like her and her posts are reasonable with substance. But I still don't have a good read on whether she's innocent or guilty.

Rikae: Seems consistent so far. I really have no strong opinions on what she could be as of yet.

Nogrod: Already discussed him, as of now is my primary suspect.

Mnemosyne: Is competing with tp on the post count...quite impressive for a newbie. I'm kinda going back and forth on her. I'd really like to take some time to analyse and look at her a little more closely, but I'm afraid deadline is nearing in and analysing her may take some time considering her post count. So it'll have to wait...hopefully I'll have time toMorrow.

Kath: I always appreciate her lengthy posts, there's just something I like about them. She seems innocent so far, the only problem is that Kath always seems innocent to me.

Hansy: Has flown under my radar, though that may be because he only posted twice. I still have no idea about him, but I think I like his style so far...another great addition to Barrow Downs WW.

[Mnemosyne]

Don't worry, Brinn; a number of them are chatty or in response to specific points. About 5 different posts probably contain the same amount of content as another player's "list."

Looking over the Izzy voters so far, this is more than mildly frustrating! The person whose reasons are least thought out (i.e., process of elimination) is Fea, which would be horribly suspicious in anyone else! I am not assured of her innocence as I was yesterDay, but I still don't know if that's enough to vote for her--especially since a certain number of players still find her Dead Guilty, which for me has always been a sign of her innocence. ...Although, now that I think about it, has anyone really kept up on her case but Nog?

Grah, all these powerplayers! Fea, you're off the hook for tonight, but if everyone suddenly finds you as pure and innocent as the wind-driven snow (except for Nog, who can be remarkably thick once he sets his mind on one idea) I may end up voting for you.

Nog's vote I've discussed before, and Rikae was the one who got the ball rolling, which may or may not mean anything.

Which leaves me to Kath, who is one of those players whom no one can ever really lay a finger on (as to innocence or guilt). Her first post she finds Izzy to be quite normal, and then the second time around changes her mind. Using, much like the now-suspicious-Fea, the process of elimination, she comes to the same conclusion as two others before her and one after! What is going on here?

I'm planning on voting Kath now.

[Mnemosyne]

++Kath

It's nothing personal, dear--you're remarkably coherent for a 1-am-er.