Tol-in-Gaurhoth LVII - Chess Game for Middle Earth: Game Thread

[Nogrod]

Time to decide.

++ Fea

If you were an innocent and thought I was the seer you would have stayed silent about it.

Remember your vote post consisted of the vote and the remark of my "ability to say interesting things" on Day1 (which is ridiculous as your vote would not affect my talking abilities on Day1). So you were up to something else there, trying to give a signal to someone if what you say you thought was true and you really did think that... or then you thought I was a baddie and you're the cobbler... (you could be the cobbler also if you just plain took me for a seer), or whatever.

Let's see what you said there again:

Originally Posted by Fea

I have to peace out, so here's my early vote:
eenie meenie miny
++Hansy
Because I'm not in nearly a good enough mood to be nice to newbies for the sheer sake of it, and Nog has a way of saying interesting things on Day One.

So you're pointing it to someone that I should be watched, maybe treated specially the next Night?

I can see no reason why you would act like that as an innocent - as you yourself agreed you had thought I was the seer...

So sad to say this but I believe you're up to no good this time.

And anyway, I'm not what you might think I am so just let it come baddies! The village only loses an ordo with me.

EDIT: X'd from Lari's vote-post...

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

If you were an innocent and thought I was the seer you would have stayed silent about it.

Oh wow. That is a very good point.

[Nerwen]

Where does Fea say she thinks Nog is the Seer? I can't find it.

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Hansy reads to me like what would happen if I'd created an alias account, signed up to play two roles (myself as Fea and my alter ego as Hansy), and was sitting back watching the chaos.

I hope that's not a confession...

EDIT: X'd since Gwath at #160.

[Nerwen]

Er– Mirandir, you've listed Steve twice.

EDIT: X'd with Gwath.

[Mirandir]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Er– Mirandir, you've listed Steve twice.

EDIT: X'd with Gwath.

My bad. All fixed now. Blame the x-posting.

[Mirandir]

So shortly before deadline we're at:

Kath ++Ner
Fea ++Hansy
Dury ++Sally
Steve ++Gwath
Eomer ++Sally
Rikae ++Steve
Hansy ++Fea
Lari ++Nog
Nog ++Fea
wilwa ++Steve
Gwath ++ Fea

Fea - 3, Sally - 2, Steve - 2, Nerwen, Hansy, Gwath, and Nog - 1

Isa, Nerwen, tp, Brinn, sally, Mnem, Kath, Hansy and Mira still have to vote.

[Mirandir]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Where does Fea say she thinks Nog is the Seer? I can't find it.



I hope that's not a confession...

No no, that would be much to obvious. Clearly she'd be much more deceptive about it and create some controversy between her egos. Agreeing about everything is just suspicious.

So I've been sitting here for the past twoish hours trying to get enough focus together to make an awesome list and am ashamed to say have failed quite epically. My initial suspicion of Hansy still holds, mostly because the striking similarities between his style and that of both Fea and the phantom. While I haven't played with tp before, I did follow one of his games and have played with Fea, as well as followed a game with her. Both are the hardest people I have encountered in terms of reading and ideally having them both out of the way early on would be the least confusing, but probably detrimental to the chess game at hand.

SO. Just checked the rules in the case of a tie vote, and the lynch is randomized between all the people involved. This could be incredibly dangerous and I don't particularly want to add another person to the list of two votes each and thus will be waiting just a little while longer to see if anything else unfolds before voting.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

And anyway, I'm not what you might think I am so just let it come baddies! The village only loses an ordo with me.

Really? Then never mind. I was going to suggest that the Knight protect you this Night instead of me, but since you don't mind I'm going to go ahead and request that he do what he had originally planned and stick with me.

Which Knight? Both of them. Just to be safe. And I believe that both Bishops should dream of me too. And the Rooks should hunt me! Erm... wait... never mind that last one.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nog

If you were an innocent and thought I was the seer you would have stayed silent about it.

I must have missed something. When did Fea not stay silent when she thought you were the Seer? I see that after it looked like you weren't, she spoke up and said what she had been thinking, but I don't remember her saying anything earlier about it. Did I miss something?

[Gwathagor]

Ok, I find Nogrod's argument intriguing - that if an innocent Fea thought Nog was even possibly a seer, there's no way she would point it out.

[Gwathagor]

Ok, I better just do it.

++Fea

I really think Nog's right about this.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Ok, I find Nogrod's argument intriguing - that if an innocent Fea thought Nog was even possibly a seer, there's no way she would point it out.

But Gwath, where does she say it?

EDIT: X'd with Gwath again.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Gwath

I really think Nog's right about this.

What is he right about? Will you or Nog share it with me?

And it appears Nerwen wants to know as well.

[Mnemosyne]

Grah, this whole Fea/Noggie thing is turning into a debacle and I have the feeling that the black pieces are just sitting back and rubbing their hands with glee.

As far as I can tell, what happened was this: Fea took a very subtle Noggie comment to be a seer hint, and hinted back.

But since Noggie went all ?!? in response to that (though I'd like to see the post that made Fea think so) she realized her theory was complete and utter rubbish and then decided to explain the whole thing, now that she was reasonably sure that Nog was not the seer.

That hinting that she did? I definitely didn't pick up on, which doesn't mean squat. In fact, I thought it was nice and subtle: "Nog has an interesting way of saying things on Day 1." I thought after she posted the whole explanation that the only way that anyone would have figured out what exactly she meant was someone else who was in on the plan--though Valar know a lot crazier communications have gone on.

Now, it was the wee hours of the morn for Nog when he voted, so he may have been genuinely confused. But Gwath? You have some explaining to do!

*sigh*

When Fea looks the most suspicious, she's actually innocent...

[Nogrod]

Just brushed my teeth at 6.45 (glad it's Sunday)

tp and Nerwen you should think again - maybe I just didn't make the point clearly enough. Fea made that weird voting-post where she said she votes for Hansy and then casually adds that

Because I'm not in nearly a good enough mood to be nice to newbies for the sheer sake of it, and Nog has a way of saying interesting things on Day One.

After that - after I questioned her about that addition of me "saying interesting things on Day1" (which looks like a deliberate formulation) in her vote-post, she explained she had thought me to be the seer who got the Black Queen on the first Night (with all that stuff with Lommy's first name in Finnish and Hansy vs. Han Solo etc.). That looks like genuine to me. She probably thought that IRL as it's too complicated to fabricate just like that. But why did she voice it in the first place if she really thought I was the seer? And why did she explain it that openly after being asked about it? A goodie would have not acted that way if she had that kind of an idea... but to a cobbler (or with different scenarios possibly other baddies as well) it might have been a decent thing to do.

The initial comment bothers me and also the way some people rush to explain it. Fea's explanation looks good as it's probably earnest but the reason she made the first remark looks more shadowy. And remember that she can be frank about her reasons for wrongly thinking me the seer even if she's a baddie but she can't explain why she had to make that unconnected remark in the first place.

Any ideas why she made it? Other than trying to hint to some other(s) with evil intentions about a possible treat for the Night?

[Nogrod]

Intreresting that you Nerwen and tp seem to be trying to cross-examine Gwath but do not bring forwards any positive solutions if you really think Fea is innocent - or if you know she is not...

Bring forwards a better case and I will consider retracking myself.

[Mnemosyne]

To Nog

I think the whole thing is just a huge distraction at the moment, especially considering how close to dl it is, and that we need to focus on other portions of the game and other people. Now that I see where the exact area of confusion lies I certainly won't begrudge you and Gwath your votes. But I don't want to let Fea die, not yet.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Mnemosyne

I think the whole thing is just a huge distraction at the moment, especially considering how close to dl it is, and that we need to focus on other portions of the game and other people.

I'm all ears with other possibilities - as I said already - it looks like I'm awake anyway...

And I see your point about Gwath taking my argument. It has certain merits indeed. But how about you all picking the "save Fea" -argument whatever the cost? Doesn't it look suspicious at all?

To me it looks more like a social reason for voting than actually playing the game... Yeah, it's nice to play with good friends - and I like to play it with Fea but now I just think that arguments support her guilt more.

I waiting for a better case.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

and to answer his question:

Originally Posted by the phantom

suppose someone questioned why she mentioned Nog as support for her vote- how could she have explained that away in a manner that did not point a death-arrow at NogBishop?

Did you have a plan for that Fea?

In the event that I was right about him being Seer, and anybody noticed my comment but him, I intended to lie through omission about thinking he was the Seer, and would have amplified my faith in his ordinary intelligence and the organized mode of his rather linear thinking, which is often at cross purposes with my typically incoherent mind.

Apart from that...

It's twenty of two, and I need sleep, and my Kelly will kill me if I don't stop typing like... now.

I shall ponder (and sleep) and I'll be with you when the sun shines through my window once more...

[Mirandir]

Kath ++Ner
Fea ++Hansy
Dury ++Sally
Steve ++Gwath
Eomer ++Sally
Rikae ++Steve
Hansy ++Fea
Lari ++Nog
Nog ++Fea
wilwa ++Steve

Sally - 2, Fea - 2, Steve - 2, Nerwen, Hansy, Gwath, and Nog - 1

And left to vote is Isa, Nerwen, tp, Brinn, sally, Gwath, Mnem, Kath, Hansy and Mira.