Tol-in-Gaurhoth LVII - Chess Game for Middle Earth: Game Thread

[Eönwë]

Well.... no-one posted anything and then 2 posts come at once. They don't really say much (or help me choose), so I'll just go for a semi-random vote:

++Gwath

Because his 2 posts said nothing at all relevant.

[the phantom]

The vote-

Kath ++Nerwy
Fea ++Hansy
D'lin ++Sally
Steve ++Gwathy

[the phantom]

I'm leaving soon for an evening activity, but I shall be around after that up until the deadline.

[Rikae]

Ditto what tp said.

I'm leaning toward voting for Nerwen, Izzy, or Steve. The first for reasons mentioned before, the second for overly safe, insubstantial posting, or the thir for a more complex set of wolvish behaviors I'll attempt to explain on my return, if I'm not too tired.

[Mnemosyne]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

How do you focus on the Black Queen at the moment?

You don't; that was my point. It was my attempt to respond intellectually to the "We need to get the Black Queen soon!" remark made by sally above. I don't even know how we can get the Black Queen at endgame...

If I'd known it'd create that much fuss, I'd just have quoted her and replied, "How?!?"

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Exudes a sense of delayed reactions. First part of the day is the time, if indeed there is a time - something to be doubted -, to repeat the fact that there are gifted allies and enemies in the game, and that necessity dictates our discovery of one of those enemies. Frivolous, for sure, but in the least game-related: an acceptably lazy first post. Her first few posts, alas, were empty.

And then she sought something to say. Too eager to show herself.

Not the only one, it's true.

Fialachd don fhogarrach, 's cnaimhean briste don eucorach!

++SATANSALOSER2005

[Mnemosyne]

Bee Tee Dubs, sally leaves her regrets that she shall not be able to post until much later this evening, as she has come across a patch of unexpected!internet loss.

I say we lynch 'er in 'er absence.

[Nogrod]

Okay. Page1 – some thoughts…

The American opening was fun but quite an unrewarding read. Mainly banter and only a few oddballs one could interpret any possible way (a baddie trying to look like posting as innocent, a goodie slipping her/his position; a goodie trying to be helpful, a baddie trying to look like being helpful, a goodie having fun, a baddie gambling etc.).

Something in Mnemo’s way of talking bothers me even if I can’t quite pinpoint it. It's about the picking of the subjects or POVs or something. I need to look at her posting closer as I get there. She’s clearly intelligent but I’m a bit concerned about her loyalties. Anyway I wouldn’t like to lose a bright innocent early on unless we really have some grounds of suspicion. There should be better candidates toDay.

And tp then? Let’s leave him to the baddies to decide. If he keeps living Day after Day we’ll lynch him. He’s good to have around if he’s a goodie so let’s not rush with him.

Sally looks like she always looks. Sadly she does that also when she’s a baddie. So nothing to say on her but the usual uneasiness.

Brinn comes in and posts – nothing of any special interest; a short banter, a few reasonable points about the general mechanics of the game, slight whining that it’s late and her brain doesn’t work… Perfectly innocent sounding and therefore all alarms should be on as it’s Brinn!

Eomer looks cryptic but speaks sense. I see nothing alarming in Nerwen right now either although I might protest about the low input, but then again there's her timezone… But surely she should be more verbiose when she comes in the next time.

Then Kath’s post is just downright terrible. I could consider voting her just on principle for that. I do understand there was little to say at that time of the Day but I’m more concerned with the way she presents her decision (and as Eomer correctly notes – it is not random but it is a choice whatever Kath tries to say). Her reason for voting Nerwen is “because she was the last person to post before me”. After that she goes on to “add some thoughts in even though there's nothing to go on” and makes a comment on everyone who had posted before her – also making points like “definitely evil” (Sally) or “I think innocent, therefore guilty” (Brinn).

Now when one is innocent – and especially when one is forced to vote early as an innocent – one should really feel the burden of one’s choice and think about it carefully (early votes generate bandwagons later on quite easily). But Kath proclaims it’s random and then still feels the need to add all those added thoughts on people which include more suspicion her vote stands with… So she feels a need to underline the randomness of her vote? If she's innocent that's irresponsible behaviour - and if not, then the sooner we lynch her the better.

These are feelings & thoughts based on the first page. I will read forwards...


EDIT: x'd with Mnemo - point taken, sorry to have read you incorrectly. Your answer makes sense.

[Nogrod]

The votes then.

Kath for Nerwen
I already talked about this at length in #109.


Fea for Hansy

eenie meenie miny
…
Because I'm not in nearly a good enough mood to be nice to newbies for the sheer sake of it, and Nog has a way of saying interesting things on Day One.

After not saying practically anything toDay she makes a "eenie-meenie-miny" -vote, which behaviour I still dislike a lot. Underlining one's vote is random alway rings my alarms. Saying you vote random doesn't mean anything as we others can't know whether you rolled a dice or not (or whatever; deciding beforehand to vote for the one who has posted just before you?). But saying you did it randomly kind of makes you less culpable of any innocent being lynched if it turns out that way and thence is perfect for the baddies. But that addendum about me there is most odd. So I'm saying intereasting things on Day1? Now what has that to do with anything? Lynching me toDay would not affect the fact that I'm able to talk toDay (Day1) in any way. So what is this? Buddying up? Sending signals to someone you think belongs to either / the other baddie-fraction?


Dury for Sally

Anyway...there's already a few people I'd like to get rid of just for the sake of being rid of them, but part of my beef with werewolf is when people simply play favorites...so I'm going to go for as random as possible here.
...
Just looking at who has posted, anyway, I picked out her on some sort of gut-reaction thing. The typical excuse. It's like pleading the 5th...my stomach told me to do it!

Oh my! She wishes some people to be lynched but decides to be as random as possible picking someone with guts and then trying to explain it away both ways (like it's nothing & sorry Sally).


Eönwë for Gwath

so I'll just go for a semi-random vote:
...
Because his 2 posts said nothing at all relevant.

Now what is this random-vote mania all about? I haven't seen this kind of voting for years! If you had a reason to vote for Gwath, why do you say it's "semi-random" then? What's the matter with all of you?


Eomer for Sally

Exudes a sense of delayed reactions. First part of the day is the time, if indeed there is a time - something to be doubted -, to repeat the fact that there are gifted allies and enemies in the game, and that necessity dictates our discovery of one of those enemies. Frivolous, for sure, but in the least game-related: an acceptably lazy first post. Her first few posts, alas, were empty.
And then she sought something to say. Too eager to show herself.
Not the only one, it's true.

Finally someone giving reasons for his vote... Although as he said himself in the end, Sally's not the only one who has behaved like that toDay so it would have been natural for you - were you innocent - to elaborate that one a bit; who else did you consider were acting like that, from whom did you choose her? Now it looks a bit too convenient vote to my taste. You're careful not to suspect others but just imply you have seen similar behaviour around to look good and not to get anyone on you to retaliate. Hmm...


Okay. You're not all baddies... I think. But let me bet something that we have at least one baddie here already...

I seem to have crossposted with a bunch of posts...

[Gwathagor]

Speaking of cryptic - Eomer's really going crazy with those Scottish seanfhacalan.

[Gwathagor]

[quote=Nogrod;586049Underlining one's vote is random alway rings my alarms. Saying you vote random doesn't mean anything as we others can't know whether you rolled a dice or not (or whatever; deciding beforehand to vote for the one who has posted just before you?). But saying you did it randomly kind of makes you less culpable of any innocent being lynched if it turns out that way and thence is perfect for the baddies.[/quote]

I think in some cases it's defensible to vote randomly and specify the randomness of the vote - for example, if it's Day One and you really have no time to vote thoughtfully, or really have no suspicions. As you pointed out, we're trusting to luck a great deal anyway. I do agree, however, that there have been an unusual number of random votes toDay. I'm not sure what I think about it yet.

[Nogrod]

Here's my list then in just the order it appears on the player-list...

Mirandir - She should have more time to make her presence felt - but if she's not going to do it later toDay ot ToMorrow I'd be glad to vote her out. But probably not toDay.

Durelin - One of my all-time enigmas. I must say I find her vote (and especially the explanation of it) the most confusing. I think she could do a bit better as a baddie and be like that in a rush and innocent. But I don't like the vote (the explanation of it) at all. It feels foul.

Feanor of the Peredhil - She's intelligent enough to make better claims on Day1 so a frustrated innocent then? No. The note about me saying interesting things (when there were no other commnets on anyone else in the vote-post) bothers me a lot.

Isabellkya - If there is a submarine-baddie she's one of my top candidates for that role. She can be sneaky like that and devastating later. Somehow my gut-feeling just tells the contrary at the moment.

Nerwen - Hasn't posted but once and very early in the game. I don't see the suspicions around her but wouldn't trust her either.

Eomer of the Rohirrim - Speaks sense which is highly appreciated. Still his vote left me a bit concerned about his motives.

the phantom - Let's see his track-record on Day3 or something if he's still around.

Brinniel - I tend to be nervously panicky with Brinn as she's probably the best in looking innocent but somehow I'm less so this time. I may be wrong with this but she is not my top worry right now.

satansaloser2005 - Another one I'm pretty scared everytime I play with her as she looks just so cute and funny all the time but still can create havoc during the Nights. But no special alarms as yet.

Gwathagor - I always feel bad when he gets lynched early on and is innocent - but he has not always been that and my pity has backfired badly. I'd like to see him post more to be sure but will not vote him toDay.

Lariren Shadow - Careful, soo careful and general that I would like to say I really suspect her. But I'm not too sure about it. She will be on my list of "to be followed" more closely. If I'd need to make a shot in a dark she'd be one of my top choices though.

wilwarin538 - Her talk about possibly bandwagoning toDay looks very strange indeed but she hasn't been around for so long a while I think she should have a chance for another Day at least.

Rikae - I'm not going to vote Rikae on Day1 unless I have strong reasons to do so. And as now I don't seem to have one.

Eönwë - He's around and is not around. Hard to say. He seems to post frequently and a lot but there's very little he says. A hunker-down baddie who wants to make a presence or just an ordo with nothing to say?

Mnemosyne - I'm forced to take back my words a bit with her. Looking at her posts closer makes me feel better of her. I mean her alliances.

Kath - I could vote for her just because of the way she acts - and it's not only a principle at work here but also the particular way she did it this time. I'm only afraid that my principle runs over my reason if I vote her. I need to think. (For those who do not know: she's the most sovereign baddie in the endgame so you should get rid of her early on just to be on the safe side, but then again, she can be the most reasonable, observant and independent-minded ally in the endgame as well if she happens to be a goodie.)

Hansy - Maybe he's the cobbler, maybe he's not. His seeming knowledge of the game even as a newbie might talk on behalf of that interpretation. But if the only thing we suspect him is cobblery let's go for bigger prices even on this Day1. If he continues the way he has started I think we'll hear more of him to make better interpretations. *Sorry about getting your sex wrong earlier*

Back with a vote and possible thoughts to accompany it as I sure have X'd with a host again...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

[grumble]Werewolf games...[/grumble]

Originally Posted by Hansy

(Though at this point, I should be pretending I am the cobbler. It would certainly be more fun but not helpful, yeah.)

This is really, really strange... but I feel like I'm playing werewolf with myself.

Hansy reads to me like what would happen if I'd created an alias account, signed up to play two roles (myself as Fea and my alter ego as Hansy), and was sitting back watching the chaos.

It's really quite strange, playing werewolf with somebody that reminds me of myself.

I really don't know if you should take that as a compliment, Hansy.

Originally Posted by Nog

The note about me saying interesting things (when there were no other commnets on anyone else in the vote-post) bothers me a lot.

Fine. Whatever. I'll explain.

So this morning after my flippant comment about Han shot first, and then remembering Lommy's RL name, and my equally flippant comment about 'zomg, if Loms was playing, that could have been a clue!', I realized that we actually had a player calling himself Hansy.

I about died laughing when I noticed my oversight, but then imagine my surprise when I log on again and notice that you've said something about the Black Queen playing Solo.

With a capitalized S.

Which I took to mean as a reference to The Solo, Han the Magnificent.

Which I then thought... what if Nog is a seer and dreamed of the Black Queen on the very first night, and is hinting that Hansy aka Solo is the Black Queen!?!

My jaw dropped, I thought, "No... that's impossible." But then I thought "But then why did he capitalize Solo if not because of the Han stuff?" And then I was sitting there rereading all of this "But what if the Black Queen wants to help the good guys" stuff from Hansy, and what else what I supposed to do when I was supposed to be assuring my paternal aunts that I'm getting good grades?

But then, Nog, you were like "Say what? Fea, you're on crack." which made me then feel quite confident that I was, in fact, grasping at straws out of a rather desperate hope that Day Ones may, at some point in my life, prove useful.

Originally Posted by Lari

The comment just gets to me. She could really be the seer, but I don't think that's her style.

Darling, I own skin tight turquoise jeans. Do you really want to tell these people I have style?

Originally Posted by Izzy

Rikae brings up a good point/question in regards to the Cobbler. Are they on the side of general evil, or paired to a specific evil "team"?

Yes, I was very much wondering this too. Is the role just to wreak havoc, or is there more nuance to it?

Originally Posted by Iz

All of this proposing on what Day Fea and Phantom should be lynched.. is banter yes, but from so many.. Why not have them pick?

Well, phantom doesn't like the stress of the last day, whereas I adore the intensity of the five minutes before deadline when only three players are standing and you KNOW that one is evil, and every word you type is going to either make or break the game-

I say we let both of us live until near the end, then lynch the phantom the day before the last day, leaving me around to attempt the impossible and savor sweet victory for the team that I am on.

It sounds so dramatic when put that way...