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Old 02-05-2009, 03:46 PM   #1
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Rune voted for Brinn on day 1 because she reacted so strongly to accusations.
Nerwen considered voting for someone who already had a vote - Mac, Gollum, Brinn, or me. In the end she voted for Gollum. She added fuel to the Brinn suspicions on day 1 after her vote, though.

On day 2 Rune said he could understand why Brinn & Mac voted for Gollum (saving their skins) but other people's votes weren't as good. Could be an attempt to clear up a fellow & the cobbler but I don't think so because he didn't defend them afterwards. He also said, though, that speculating about changing sides wasn't a part of Frodo's role, which looks quite innocentish.
He voted for Dury because didn't want Fea to die (not that she probably would have). Also considered voting for Mac.
Nerwen wasn't around on day 2.

Brinn would have liked to hear a bit more from Mira (No Clue), found Nerwen's vote fishy (Watching), and didn't know what to think of Rune's attack against her (No Clue).

Nerwen examined the Dury lynching on day 3 and mentioned the possibility of Mira being a newbie wolf. She was suspicious of Fea and voted for her. Didn't know what to think of Mac but considered retracting for him, thinking he could be a wolf. She also accused sally of a throw-away vote.
Rune was torn about sally but seemed to be somewhat suspicious of her, and slightly worried about Mac. I don't think sally was much suspected at that point (apart from Lommy) so it would make little sense to bring a fellow under the spotlight. He questioned Mira's points against him and voted for Mac.

Brinn said little about Mira, just that her defences looked more honest than Lari's and she'd like to hear more from her (Could be anything). She thought Nerwen's day 1 vote was suspicious but found her more innocent of late (Slightly suspicious). She found Rune innocent.
Sally agreed with Mira on Rune. She voted for him.

Then on the night between day 3 and day 4 Frodo was turned. I can see reasons for the wolves attacking both of them. However I can't see how either of them could have been a wolf before that. It just doesn't compute. Both of their interaction with the known wolves is very innocentish. Also, they both expressed at least some unease about Mira, Mac, sally and Brinn.

I'll go through their later posts soon.
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Old 02-05-2009, 04:42 PM   #2
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On day 4 Nerwen said she had thought Lommy could be the seer. Also this speaks against her original wolfishness as I think she would have killed Lommy earlier. Anyway she believed Lommy's claim instantly, whereas Rune wasn't sure who to believe.

Brinn listed Nerwen as suspicious and Rune as innocent but I don't think we can make anything of that because she was already a known wolf then. Mira was innocentish.

On day, erm, well the day sally was lynched Rune said he was flip-flopping on Mira and didn't want to lynch Mac. This is the first even remotely wolfish comment I've seen from those twain.

The day after sally's death Rune considered voting either for Lari or Mira. He questioned Menel's vote for her with no reasons, though, but that's normal. He voted Greenie.
Nerwen who popped in quickly said she'd trust Rune's judgement (as he was right about Brinn), and voted Greenie too. She said she hoped to get home before the deadline and possibly retract her vote.

Yesterday Rune thought Legate was killed for being too dangerous. He thought about Lari and Mira.
When Lari revealed as the ranger, they both asked independently of each other why she revealed now. Rune didn't pursue the subject further but Nerwen expressed some doubt about automatically believing her claim.
Rune voted for Mira.
Nerwen said Mira had seemed vaguely sneaky but she could just be a nervous newbie. She would have voted for her to save her skin yesterday, but although she didn't, she did point out suspicious things in her behaviour.

And today Nerwen voted for Mira, and Rune seems to have considered it, too.

Mac voted for Nerwen yesterday which almost got her lynched. Also, now he's defending Mira. I find his attack against Nerwen weak, especially as it somehow seems to be based on her Mira suspicions. Mac seemed to indicate he doesn't know who all the wolves are (unless he's bluffing). It certainly looks like he thinks Mira is one, though.

Hmm actually now that I think of it, it doesn't seem so unlikely that a wolf would not sacrifice a fellow. Looking at today, there are Mac & Lari who are not wolves. It leaves Mira, Rune, Nerwen and me. Neither Nerwen, Rune, nor me is suspected enough to be lynched without any questions arising, so the wolves might have figured it's best to let go of Mira and give the other better chances of winning. Especially if they have a reason to assume Mac might not know who they are.

The unfortunate thing is, I still don't have any idea which one is the last wolf.

++Mirandir

I'll be here for an undefined amount of time and able to retract if something happens. And although I have a bad feeling about this, Mira's guilt is the only thing I'm at least somewhat certain about.

And if you Rune and Nerwen are fellows, I'm so going to kill you.

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1: Brinn(way to go on my part)
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3: No one, I messed up and had a busy day and thought I protected Lommy, but apparently it never actually got done.
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Before protecting Mac for the first time I protected Fea. Hence why I asked if the wolves/wraiths could get another kill if the one that they wanted to kill was protected. I assumed they would go after Fea after the Durelin lynch and then try to frame Nog. Well they sort of did...if you switch Fea and Nog.
So Lari who did you actually protect?
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Old 02-05-2009, 06:38 PM   #3
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And the winner is. . .

This is killing me. . .Nerwen or Aganzir simply have to be a wraith maybe even both of them are, but there is something wrong. If they are both wraiths then it is awfully uncareful of them of voting for the same person so early, they migh do it in hope that Mac shows up to support them.

There is of course the possibility that only one of them are a wraith, but then one of them have chosen to sacrifice Mira and that does not make sense either.

I guess right now I find it most likely that they are both wolves. . . gaarr I am so confused.

All of this is of course based on Lari being the ranger.

I might have missed something. . .I probably have.

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Old 02-05-2009, 06:56 PM   #4
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I'm still here, more or less... Though don't know for how long because I'm just awfully tired. I'm happy I can sleep tomorrow.

I voted for Mira because she's the one I'm the most suspicious of and I can always retract if need be. The sooner we have voted the sooner we know what will happen... Also, because I don't think Mac is going to vote for her and I don't want to see any sudden wolf bandwagons.
I admit one reason that contributed to the strengthening of my suspicion against her is that I trust Mac's judgement... Although not the way he would like me to.

Why wouldn't it make sense if the wolves tried to sacrifice Mira? I see it as a clever way to look more innocent on a day when there simply aren't enough people to be lynched with justifiable reasons. Even if one wolf is lynched today, it'll still be 2-2 tomorrow, or 3-2 if Lari is lucky. Nonetheless, this looks quite bad for us, and the wolves know it as well.

I'm really confused too, I have no idea what's going on anymore... And I have no idea what to make of your vote. It looks like you're trying to save Mira.
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Old 02-05-2009, 07:05 PM   #5
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I voted for Mira because she's the one I'm the most suspicious of and I can always retract if need be. The sooner we have voted the sooner we know what will happen... Also, because I don't think Mac is going to vote for her and I don't want to see any sudden wolf bandwagons.
I admit one reason that contributed to the strengthening of my suspicion against her is that I trust Mac's judgement... Although not the way he would like me to.

Why wouldn't it make sense if the wolves tried to sacrifice Mira? I see it as a clever way to look more innocent on a day when there simply aren't enough people to be lynched with justifiable reasons. Even if one wolf is lynched today, it'll still be 2-2 tomorrow, or 3-2 if Lari is lucky. Nonetheless, this looks quite bad for us, and the wolves know it as well.

I'm really confused too, I have no idea what's going on anymore... And I have no idea what to make of your vote. It looks like you're trying to save Mira.
It would not make sense because if they both survives, then they win. . . I assume that they want to win as soon as possible, especially when there is not one of them that look destined to die.

and your vote last night looked like you where trying to save Nerwen. . .

Anyways I won't be around anymore, I need sleep, so I will leave before long.
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Old 02-05-2009, 07:13 PM   #6
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It would not make sense because they both survives, then they win. . . I assume that they want to win as soon as possible, especially when there is not one of them that look destined to die.
That's true... But if Mira is a wolf their chances of immediate survival don't look very good. She was generally considered quite suspicious yesterday (more suspicious than we other survivors) and it would have raised even more suspicion if someone had come today like "Hey I think Mira is innocent let's lynch this person!" They might want to win as soon as possible, but they might also want to play it safe. I can't see how one option would be significantly better than the other, it's just what they choose and that's why I vote for the one I suspect the most.

To be honest I don't really even care that much what happens... I can at least take pleasure in voting right even if we lose today.

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I was. She looked considerably more innocent than the reasons she were voted for or the people who voted her (the cobbler among them).
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I am going to stick with my choise. . .

If I vote for Mira I would condem her to death and with atleast 1 (possibly 2) wraiths among those who has voted for her, it is not something I feel good about doing. . .Even if I do find her wraith like.

I more or less know that atleast 1 of you and Nerwen is a wraith, of the two of you I find you the least suspicous so I vote Nerwen. . .

I might be wrong, but that is life. . .You could say that this is me playing it safe by not killing of Mira, who was actually my prime suspec and you would be right. Had she not gotten those two votes, by you guys I would probably have voted for her my self.
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