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Old 02-02-2009, 07:55 PM   #1
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++Old Man Willow

The Master of Laketown was a conniving and venal bureaucrat (most likely a proto-Republican). There is nothing likeable or endearing in a thieving politician (and really, haven't we had enough of those in our governments currently?).

Old Man Willow, on the other hand, is wonderfully cranky and curmudgeonly, and would quote George Bernard Shaw if he could speak.
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The Master of Laketown was a conniving and venal bureaucrat (most likely a proto-Republican). There is nothing likeable or endearing in a thieving politician (and really, haven't we had enough of those in our governments currently?).
Well, but Morth, that's just what is so great about him! He was the primeval politician, the first one, uncorrupted yet by the centuries of politicians existing before him... he was the first, "virgin politician", and it was all up to him, how he chooses to manifest his corrupted ways! I mean to say, there was no set thing for him what should a corrupt politician look like, and he managed to do it all by himself! Isn't it great?
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Old 02-03-2009, 05:21 AM   #3
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I couldn't vote the Master of Laketown for personal reasons, suffice to say that his youngest son was a jerk.
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Old 02-03-2009, 08:00 AM   #4
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A difficult choice, and surprisingly, both in
some ways are the most "sympathetic" of
the rogues in this gallery. Old Man Willow
and his chums have been harassed, attacked,
and destroyed for centuries with their patrimony
drastically reduced- more then any by relatives
of the very people going through his forest remnant.

And The Master (related to Dr. Who's
old nemesis? ) while he was the teensiest bit corrupt,
did a good job seeing to the economic and political
health of Laketown (including solid Laketown/elf relations).

So since I'm in a state that is going increasingly blue
I think I'll go for the candidate who (with all his flaws)
is more attuned to vox populi .

+ + The Master Of Laketown
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Old 02-03-2009, 10:36 AM   #5
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++The Master of Laketown

Old Man Willow just doesn't have enough substance. The Master of Laketown actually talks!

P.S. Why was The Master of Laketown (we have got to abbreviate that name) put in the evil category? Although he was conniving and corrupt, I never considered him to be evil. Speaking of evil, why isn't Thranduil on the list?
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P.S. Why was The Master of Laketown (we have got to abbreviate that name) put in the evil category??
Well, aside from being a coward, he was a manipulative thief, who stole gold meant for aiding the widows and fatherless shildren of Laketown. But as with all such villains in Middle-earth, Tolkien has him starve to death alone in the wilderness. I am sure he would have a place on the board of Haliburton if he lived today.

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Speaking of evil, why isn't Thranduil on the list?
One might as well ask why Thorin isn't listed among villains; after all, it was due to his stupid greed that Laketown was destroyed and many people died needlessly. In addition, he nearly caused a war between Dwarves and Elves and Men. Thranduil? he imprisoned the dwarves for trespassing and stirring up the deadly spiders (as was his kingly right), but he didn't abuse them, and he also benvolently aided Bard and the people of Laketown when they most needed it. I don't get your point.
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Old 02-03-2009, 12:51 PM   #7
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Other debatable villains:
Feanor (probably not)
Caranthir and Curunir (probably)
Thingol (probably not...but)
Saeros (very probably)
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Well, aside from being a coward, he was a manipulative thief, who stole gold meant for aiding the widows and fatherless shildren of Laketown. But as with all such villains in Middle-earth, Tolkien has him starve to death alone in the wilderness. I am sure he would have a place on the board of Haliburton if he lived today.
Strange... I'd always pictured him more as an ACORN director.

++Master of Laketown for being a slimy, skullduggering poltroon.
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One might as well ask why Thorin isn't listed among villains; after all, it was due to his stupid greed that Laketown was destroyed and many people died needlessly. In addition, he nearly caused a war between Dwarves and Elves and Men.
Typical talk from an elf fan. I have a much different picture on Thranduil, but that is a different topic for another time.

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Kingly right? Mule fritters! You forget that Thorin was also a King!
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