T-I-G LVI: Panic at the Prancing Pony

[Rikae]

6) It was an IC post. And, lo and behold, Durelin's character is:
"Durelin - Big person dark, mysterious, hooded and cloaked figure".

A joke, no more significant than in that long-ago game when someone chose "weaver" as his occupation. That's how I took it, that's how I'm pretty sure everybody took it (including the wraiths), and that's how I suspect Dury expected it to be taken.

Now, the question is, why is Nog blowing it up like this?

I'm going to respond about my reasons for suspecting Lily, but I'll take a minute. I've been going along, reading the posts, saying to myself "this looks sinister..." at various things, but I can't remember what those things were now and I'll have to look over her posts again.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I'm also tired of forcing myself to come up with points that can back up your guilt just because you could have said so also if guilty.

Poor thing. Please, no longer do that.

Good analysis of Brinn, btw.


A list, just to clear my thoughts before dinner.

Sally has escaped my attention toDay and I should address that.
Fea's reaction to Rikae seems innocent.
Lari has escaped my attention, too.
Mirandir needs to give us more of her thoughts of others. She appears innocent, and especially because of that I'd value some more input.
Lommy appears to be her innocent self.
Legate is sorely missed.
Rikae could be Bill, but is most probably innocent.
Aganzir deserves to be analysed, but I won't be able to do that toDay.
Nogrod, I don't know. Apart from his vote yesterDay he hasn't actually done anything suspicious, but I have some bad feeling about him. I need another look.
Beregond is very newbie-ish, but involved and not afraid to talk. He could be a newbie-wraith, maybe.
Nerwen - I don't think her vote is suspicious and I don't see any other reason to suspect her.
Rune is grumpy and probably innocent.
Menel bugs me, but I'm not sure whether he's evil, too.
Durelin I have no idea about.
A Little Green is creepy, as in very serious and determined, and deserves another look.
Brinniel is innocent, I think.

[Rikae]

Mac, do you realize you just called everybody but Sally, Lari and Lily innocentish?

A baddie who thinks he's about to go down, and wants to avoid giving any leads, or? I really don't want you to be evil. Why do you have to keep doing such evil-looking things? *pouts*

EDIT: Oh yeah, and Nogrod.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Brinn didn't find Rikae's seer comment serious, but found everyone's reactions to it odd. What exactly do you mean by that, Brinn? How were they odd?

At the time, I couldn't see how people were suddenly taking the comment so seriously and I found it odd. I thought it was obvious she was joking.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

She said she couldn't see what benefit could come from Fea pretending Rikae was serious. I can. If Fea had a reason to assume Rikae was joking, it would have been sensible to help set her up as a wolf kill. Of course there was a risk of the real seer revealing, though, which I think is why it wasn't pursued further.

I think you did a better job explaining this than Fea ever did. Yes, you're right, Fea could've had good intentions with her pretended reaction. But it's also possible her intentions were evil. She could've done it to cause distraction or possibly attempt to draw out the real seer. Really, Fea could be anything. One thing I've noticed about her is she likes to mess with everyone's heads, regardless of her role.

Originally Posted by Greenie

What I find interesting is that all of a sudden, even though I have hardly posted at all in the last, say, 12 hours, during the last five hours I seem to have been considered sneaky and suspicious by at least Brinn, Rikae and Lommy. Lovely. I'd love to know why is that or do they just get the same gut-feeling out of nowhere?

My suspicion towards you isn't just a gut-feeling. It was post #247 that raised alarms for me. All of your opinions towards the players are extremely safe, like you're trying to stay on neutral ground not committing one way or another. And yes, you are quite sneaky; in the past you've fallen under my radar quite often. But toDay I find your posts troublesome, even if they are few in numbers.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Okay I am tired but right now I feel almost like voting for her because I'm getting annoyed with her saying "oh she's like this or she's like that" with no reason whatsoever unless specifically requested.

This may be a stupid question, but were you talking about Lommy or Greenie here? I want to say the latter, but I'm not actually sure..

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Mac

A Little Green is creepy, as in very serious and determined, and deserves another look.

Originally Posted by Brinn

My suspicion towards you isn't just a gut-feeling. It was post #247 that raised alarms for me. All of your opinions towards the players are extremely safe, like you're trying to stay on neutral ground not committing one way or another. And yes, you are quite sneaky; in the past you've fallen under my radar quite often. But toDay I find your posts troublesome, even if they are few in numbers.

I get what you mean - but although I know this is no good as a defence I must say my opinions on players are pretty much always like that, if safe means opinions like "could be either way" or "no idea" or "I'm not sure..."

Well, I'm going to vote in a very very little (green) while. I think it's gonna be Nog for me (no, don't hang yourself, it's not because you contribute). In addition to his weird Golly-vote, that Dury thing just doesn't make any sense. It looks something like a crafted case that has failed (deliberately or not) to take into account a very significant factor which is, as Rikae already pointed out, the fact that Dury's role was mysterious cloaked figure or something like that. Dunno, somehow Noggins' behaviour makes me think he's a wolf who's trying just a bit too hard.

Vote in a minute...

[A Little Green]

++ Nog

He's my best bet. Reasons in my earlier posts. Good night and Night.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Mac, do you realize you just called everybody but Sally, Lari and Lily innocentish?

No, not at all. Maybe it's more clear this way:

In need of further examination and/or somewhat suspicious right now:
Sally, Lari, Aganzir, Nogrod, Beregond, Menel, Durelin, Lily

Innocent(-ish):
Fea, Mirandir, Lommy, Legate, Rikae, Nerwen, Rune, Brinniel

Originally Posted by Rikae

Why do you have to keep doing such evil-looking things? *pouts*

It's sexy.


Alright, off getting a few second looks on people, hoping it will help.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Elaborate.

I won't. I think it was clear enough. You're starting to annoy me, in every single ww game we play together you're all the time keeping on at me like on no one else and whenever you play I can't play without having a personal Spanish Inquisition demanding me to elaborate on everything. Really, I'm starting to wonder if we should stop playing ww together as we always end up quarreling and I can't say I find it enjoyable.

Nogrod's thing on Durelin just goes plain weird, I must say I haven't understood it at any point and now it goes too far. However, it goes so far that I don't think it's even wolvish. I think he's simply a silly ordo who has drunk too much wine tonight.

Originally Posted by Brinn

This may be a stupid question, but were you talking about Lommy or Greenie here? I want to say the latter, but I'm not actually sure..

Oh, obviously about me.

I should vote very soon but I can't decide if I should vote Brinn, Agan or Greenie. I wish I had stronger suspicions... Really. If I vote Agan, I feel silly because it might be more of annoyance than of suspicion. If I vote Greenie, I feel silly because I think my suspicion of her has mostly come of others calling her suspicious. If I vote Brinn, I feel silly because her posts have had a rather innocent tone lately.


edit: xed with Mac

[Nerwen]

Just a quick note to say that I have been out most of the day and have to leave again almost immediately; I'm probably going to abstain from voting as I haven't had time to read the thread.

[Meneltarmacil]

I've been checking out Aganzir lately so as to focus on people other than Mac. She mostly appears to be innocent, but without a lot of ideas as to what to do, and frequently mentions Nogrod, who strikes her as an enigma.

I'd like to say that, contrary to things I mentioned earlier, a lack of suggestions really should not define one as a wraith, given that I certainly haven't a clue as to what to look for.

Also, Rikae and Mac have both said disturbing things that serve to confuse the village a great deal. Why would these two want to distract us such? Is one of them a wraith?

I really should vote, so

++Mac

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Meneltarmacil

Also, Rikae and Mac have both said disturbing things that serve to confuse the village a great deal. Why would these two want to distract us such? Is one of them a wraith?

I really should vote, so

++Mac

What gives you the impression that I wanted to distract?

[Rikae]

By the way, I thought Menel was being utterly nonsensical because he was the seer, and didn't want to give that as his reason for lynching Mac and get himself killed so early.

But now it's pretty clear that isn't the case... and he's jumping on an easy suspect with reasons that make no sense at all. (If you didn't catch it, he cites Mac's "ongoing suspicion" of Gollum). I don't know what else Menel is, but he seems like a loose cannon.

[Brinniel]

Keeping track of the votes:

Rikae: ++Greenie (Greenie 1)
Aganzir: ++Mac (Greenie 1, Mac 1)
Greenie: ++Nogrod (Greenie 1, Mac 1, Nogrod 1)
Menel: ++Mac (Greenie 1, Mac 2, Nogrod 1)
Lommy: ++Aganzir (Greenie 1, Mac 2, Nogrod 1, Aganzir 1)

[Rikae]

Ok, about Lily:

- she spends most of her first post griping about the lack of conversation and "material" to base suspicions on. Yes, I understand the point, but why not say something to get things rolling, instead of excusing her lack of reasons for suspicion?

- askes if the ring bearer's role is revealed if xe is lynched. Not necessarily suspicious, this could be useful info for either side. (Was that question ever answered?)

- Some friendly chit-chat with Berry, then:

Originally Posted by A Little Green

To be honest I have no idea - never played with a guy like that before, whatever the role is called (cursed something?) - but it would sound ideal if no one discovered the identity of our ringbearer. After all, if we find and lynch him/her, we'll be down one innocent regardless of the fact that the particular innocent could have been converted to some nasssty creature. We should probably not use our energy on hunting the ringbearer but instead on hunting the wraiths.

Now, I normally try to avoid suspecting people based on differences of opinion, and I recognize that my own isn't the only possible innocentish opinion on Mr. Frodo... but this looks like a point-by-point list of exactly what the wraiths would want us to think. First, that if Frodo reveals, he should be lynched immediately (so they at least avoid the situation where we have a known innocent), but, better yet, that no one should have any clue who he is or try to find him at all. Maybe she just didn't think it through completely, but it struck me as very creepy.

- the title of one of her posts yesterDay (her vote for Gollum, in fact): "A Shot in the Dark ". Ok, not really reason to suspect her (would wights be that obvious?), but it caught my eye without really registering it then and added to the creepy impression.

-"Good night and Night."

- Overall cheery, breezy, friendly tone.

- Her points on Nog toDay. I don't necessarily trust him, but it looks like she's going after him for basically being himself (with the random votes thing).

- The "carrots" remark really did have a hint-ish look to me.

- Not part of my initial feeling of creepiness, but her reaction to suspicion doesn't look too innocent. It's too... sarcastic, insinuating, I don't know how to say it.

- Another new point: Nog was alraedy her main suspect (or so it looked) before I mentioned Dury's occupation, but she makes that one of her two reasons for voting him. She hadn't commented on it before, and it had been out there for a while.

So yeah, there it is. That and a hunch. Not much of a case, I guess, and I may retract to Mac,or somebody else, if I feel like it later, but there you go.

EDIT: X'd with Lommy.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Rikae

-"Good night and Night."

She always does that and I do that pretty often too, so that's a bad argument.

Originally Posted by Rikae

- Her points on Nog toDay. I don't necessarily trust him, but it looks like she's going after him for basically being himself (with the random votes thing).

She's always going after him. But that, of course, does not prove anything...

I suspect Greenie, but I think you Rikae mostly list stuff she always does. The only unheard of thing on that list is the carrot one, but I'm not sure if it's so bad...

Now I got an urge both to vote and not vote Greenie. Weird.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I suspect Greenie, but I think you Rikae mostly list stuff she always does. The only unheard of thing on that list is the carrot one, but I'm not sure if it's so bad...

If you say so, you know her better. The main thing that creeped me out was her Frodo-speech, though.

[Thinlómien]

++Aganzir

I still think her style is a curious mixture of her relaxed, bantery and nit-picky ordo-style and her careful, detached wolf-style - exactly what I'd expect from her after a long pause from being a wolf. (Obviously, she can't go back to her previous wolf-style because it'd make people raise eyebrows, but she might subconsciously partly latch back to it.) Also, she tends to get annoyed at me but she feels jumpier than normally.

And if you want me to, I can admit this vote is also partly because I currently feel we two just can't play ww together, at least not this way. And I wouldn't be sorry at all to see her go before she can look at my posts with a magnifying glass and unleash the Infernal Inquisition. I think I'm being quite horrible to her, and I'm sorry for that, but I'm simply writing what I feel right now.

If we're both alive toMorrow I hope we can be more civil to each other...


edit: xed with Sally and Menel

[Rikae]

Oops, I've gone and done it. I've had to correct myself in multiple posts because I kept wanting to call the wraiths "wights", and above I say:

Originally Posted by yours truly

(would wights be that obvious?)

Yeeeah, whatever.

Something else that occurred to me is that Noggins has to be up to something, since he hasn't been giving me the Spanish Inquisition treatment Lommy mentioned getting from Agan.

EDIT: X'd with Lommy again.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Rikae

6) It was an IC post. And, lo and behold, Durelin's character is:
"Durelin - Big person dark, mysterious, hooded and cloaked figure".

A joke, no more significant than in that long-ago game when someone chose "weaver" as his occupation. That's how I took it, that's how I'm pretty sure everybody took it (including the wraiths), and that's how I suspect Dury expected it to be taken.

Now, the question is, why is Nog blowing it up like this?

I can't see why you ask for that if you're innocent... She's no gifted because that's a bit too daring for a gifted to do. So why that kind of banter which clearly makes her look like a ranger imposter? I can't believe it was "just banter" because it was so fitting and exact - and open. Why to do something that way if you were a) a gifted (no way!), or b) an ordo? I mean on Day6 an ordo should pull that but why she made it in the first post of Day1? I'm regarding Dury as a most intelligent person so then she's probably no ordo as the wrights would not be that easily misled and she would know it. So the remaining option is that she is a wright trying to fool us.

Okay, I may have better cases... I need to see to them.

Funny how you interpret someone voicing a thing as something in a way that one is "pressing on as the sole thing there is". I have been sharing the computer with Lommy and Greenie all the night and we have been playing (RL) together most of the night, so I have just commented on things that have occured to me on my twenty minutes by the computer at a time... Had I more time I could look after some others as well.

Lommy & Greenie just went to bed and it's coming 6AM here... I'd need to vote and go to sleep as well... Just a moment. I'll try to look around before voting.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Nog- go to bed! It's late! So late it's early!

More interestingly as far as the game goes-

I don't think we should lynch Mac.

Not today, in any case.

So um... can we not?

Then again, I don't actually have any better options, so this is quite a useless post...

[Macalaure]

I should have a closer look at Aganzir and Nogrod, but my brain is starting to fail, so I'll postpone that until toMorrow. All I can add at this point is that Nogrod's thing about Durelin makes no sense, and his insistence on it makes me suspicious. Whether or not it is significant I cannot say yet, so I will neither vote him toDay, nor Aganzir.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Lari

Putting it out there though: the vote from the end of yesterday made me really think. It didn't look right, even if I've seen Mac do that before. When he did it before it was really into the game, now it was really quick.

So you think I enjoy dying on Day1 more than on Day3?

Originally Posted by Lari

Not to mention his quick accusations of only three people while everyone else apparently looks innocentish(never mind there still isn't a lot to go on).

Umm, what?

[Lariren Shadow]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Umm, what?

Note that is what happens when I don't read clearly enough. I thought you were convienently making three people look guilty. Then I counted again.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

All I can add at this point is that Nogrod's thing about Durelin makes no sense, and his insistence on it makes me suspicious.

Sad that you fail to see that. Well I'm not going to force my opinion on the matter - and what you say about my "insistence" clearly tells you have not been reading the thread... Too bad as I have kind of counted on you to be one of those who actually read what is said unlike some who just pop in and vote.

I'm not having Dury as my first choice toDay but she will be one from whom I will choose my vote.

But I'd just like to remind you that there are a host of people no one has had nothing to say or have just benevolently put them aside. Many of you have talked about Rikae, Mac, Aganzir, Lommy, Greenie, Brinn, Menel, Nerwen, Dury and me...

But who has glanced at Sally, Lari, Beregond, Fea, Mirandir, Legate, Rune?

I'll bet you there is at least one (and possibly two) ringwraith(s) in there in the latter company as well.
In a way I'd be more than happy to vote someone from the latter list. Just to protest the fact that people who talk more seem to top the lynching list everyday in any game of werewolf...