T-I-G LVI: Panic at the Prancing Pony

[Thinlómien]

Oh, I give up. Mac, you admit your mistakes so cheerfully and calmly that I might have to consider you innocent and refrain from murderous thoughts against you at least for the time being.

Originally Posted by Fea

Option: she's actually Frodo and wants to be turned tonight (thereby making a target out of herself)

Now that you said it aloud, I may as well say that it was my "horrid scenario"... because it would really be rather disastrous-ish, especially if we're not told when Frodo goes to the dark side...

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Now that you said it aloud, I may as well say that it was my "horrid scenario"... because it would really be rather disastrous-ish, especially if we're not told when Frodo goes to the dark side...

Of course I'm Frodo.

When I'm turned into a wraith, I'll kill you all, and you'll never catch me! Mwahahaha! Er, well...

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Now that you said it aloud, I may as well say that it was my "horrid scenario"... because it would really be rather disastrous-ish, especially if we're not told when Frodo goes to the dark side...

Yeah and we surely wouldn't catch her quickly enough after that?

Although Kitanna hasn't responded, I find it unlikely we would not get to know when Frodo is turned. At least last night's narration described the happenings in detail enough.

I'm in the process of analysing Brinn but I've been constantly distracted because for some reason everyone wants to complain to me about their problems with the opposite/same sex.

Also Lommy why does admitting his mistakes make Mac look more innocent?

edit: xed with Mrs Butterbur-Underhill

[Macalaure]

On the risk of sounding like downplaying what Rikae is saying about me, her extreme flip-flopping on me is not uncommon...

Originally Posted by Rikae

Now that Mac replied the way he did to Brinn, though, I'm not so sure. His response simply doesn't make sense.

If you say so. That's the way it was, though.

Originally Posted by Rikae

I'm tired of Mac being a baddie.

Alright, first, I'm not a baddie. Second, you can't know whether or not I'm a baddie. So, third, why do you say such a thing?

Rikae, would you share with us what exactly is creeping you out about A Little Green? I'm not trying to defend her, I'm really curious.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Also Lommy why does admitting his mistakes make Mac look more innocent?

I assume it's the way I admitted it and not the fact alone. I mean, darn, if I'm bad, why didn't I just pick up the defense that Brinn gave me??


I hate being talked about so much, because it makes me talk about myself all the time, too, from which I am learning nothing about anybody else.


edit: crossed with 2 Agans

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

I assume it's the way I admitted it and not the fact alone. I mean, darn, if I'm bad, why didn't I just pick up the defense that Brinn gave me??

Because some people just prefer to do it the honest way... If I had been in your place I would probably have admitted what I had really meant, regardless of my role or what would possibly be viewed as more suspicious.

Originally Posted by Mac

I hate being talked about so much

If it comforts you, I'm starting to hate talking about you, too. I'm getting tired of it.

I'm also tired of forcing myself to come up with points that can back up your guilt just because you could have said so also if guilty.

[Thinlómien]

Innocent
Fea - simply feels innocent. Is rational, positively ployful and calm. Admittedly, she says some weird stuff, but oddly enough it doesn't bother me much.
Mira - does not worry me, her defending Fea and Lari makes her look innocent, unless they're all wolves.
Legate - gives no reason to suspect himself, seems open and sincere.
Nerwen - rings no bells.
Rune - too aggressive to be a wolf?

Neutral
sally - flying under my radar. I would not be surprised if she was a wraith, I definitely need to keep an eye on her...
Lari - another one who's under my radar. Could be anything.
Rikae - I'm inclined to think she's not a wraith, but she could be Ferny or Underhill.
Noggie - I don't like his Gollum-voting business at all but his annoyance feels honest and innocent.
Rego - he manages to be both all-over-the-place and careful at the same time. He comments almost everything but he does not have strong opinions. I cannot decide if it's suspicious or just a thoughtful newbie learning to get a hang of the game.
Mac - no idea. I keep flip-flopping on him so much that I don't want to say anything.
Menel - slips under my ranger.
Durelin - too quiet.

Suspicious
Aganzir - she just disturbs me somehow, she feels curiously detached from the game and it reminds me of her wolvish self.
Greenie - she feels a little disturbing and sneaky, some stuff she says doesn't quite sit right with me. I think, however, that I wouldn't be half this suspicious of her if others weren't suspecting her.
Brinniel - feels suspicious, to put it simply. Her comments about the ringbearer are odd.


edit: xed with Rikae and Agan

[Thinlómien]

Rikae and Agan - as for the Frodo-thing, if Kittie does not tell us about Frodo going evil, it could be rather disastrous. Rikae would get to play gifted for a few Days and cause havoc by naming known innocents and she might even be able to draw both our gifteds out of their closets to get the issue solved.

Originally Posted by Agan

Also Lommy why does admitting his mistakes make Mac look more innocent?

I don't know, it just makes it look like he has nothing to hide. Which would be smart tactics from a wraith, of course, but I want to give him the benefit of doubt for now.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Aganzir - she just disturbs me somehow, she feels curiously detached from the game and it reminds me of her wolvish self.

Elaborate.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Rikae and Agan - as for the Frodo-thing, if Kittie does not tell us about Frodo going evil, it could be rather disastrous.

I'm more optimistic about it than you. I just don't find it very likely that even she could have pulled it off, especially as there are people who would know she's lying.

Originally Posted by Lommy

I don't know, it just makes it look like he has nothing to hide. Which would be smart tactics from a wraith, of course, but I want to give him the benefit of doubt for now.

Yes indeed - everything has two sides. And I'm not going to give him the benefit of doubt for managing to look innocent by admitting his mistakes.

I don't know what to make of Rikae and Lommy. They both look rather innocent but I seem to disagree with them on other people, especially with Lommy.

[A Little Green]

What I find interesting is that all of a sudden, even though I have hardly posted at all in the last, say, 12 hours, during the last five hours I seem to have been considered sneaky and suspicious by at least Brinn, Rikae and Lommy. Lovely. I'd love to know why is that or do they just get the same gut-feeling out of nowhere?

Originally Posted by Agan

Elaborate.

Agan, I really think you are being too picky here. Lom's quote indicates to a feeling-based argument, and though it's useful to consider the possible causes for a feeling, I think you are demanding too much. I don't know, possibly Lommins is able to elaborate on an overall feeling such as that; what is certain, however, is that I couldn't and I don't know many who could.

I had something else to say too but I seem to have forgotten that...

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Agan, I really think you are being too picky here.

If she can realise that she thinks I am detached about the game, she should also be able to point out what has made her think so.

I hate random suspicions because once someone has a bad feeling about someone else, others start jumping in. Lommy said eg. that she wouldn't be as suspicious about you if it wasn't for other people's suspicions. So yeah.

Okay I am tired but right now I feel almost like voting for her because I'm getting annoyed with her saying "oh she's like this or she's like that" with no reason whatsoever unless specifically requested.

[Aganzir]

Rikae
Mac
Nog
Lommy

There's something going on in there. I feel somewhat positive that there's at least one baddie among them. Because there's just something weird.

Mac has made some suspicious comments.
Lommy has reacted rather strongly to these comments (and accuses me with no reason which I don't like).
Rikae has done some weird stuff but as I see it, she could have done it regardless of her role.
And Nog is just suspicious for his exaggeration of random votes.

++Mac

Because of these his death would shed the most light on other people. I don't have a valid reason to vote for Rikae or Lommy, nor would I really even like to, at least yet. Nog's connection to the others is much more vague.

I'll check Lommy's posts with a magnifying glass tomorrow if we're both still alive.

And then to bed.

[Nogrod]

The basic rule concerning any argument whatsoever: ask the critical questions and do not bog yourself down trying to explain anything.

It's easy to ask the other "why?" or "on what grounds?", but it's much harder to affirm a case or a thought as the critical inquirer can always repeat those questions whatever it is the other says.

ToDay I have no time for it but maybe toMorrow. I should - someone should - look back at the posting and see who are mainly looking good because they appear critical and thence good in that illusory-way smartly pointing at the fouls of others while reserving their own judgement or any positive cases. *This is not directed at you Aganzir, mind you *


Someone - I guess it was Agan - asked why I decided to mention Dury's ranger impersonation -thing on Day1, and as it looks like everyone has forgotten about it or thinks we should not say anything about it, I'll call that issue back as well as I'm having bad gut feelings about Dury.

Yes, I wrestled with myself a bit before making a call for it. But what I ended up with was that:
1) no-one could have not seen it so it was common knowledge that she had done so (just think of my surprise when someone complained s/he didn't understand what was it people were talking about!).
2) looking at the roster in this game it would be quite impossible there were no smart wolves around able to see the poor bluff made by an innocent trying to lure the wolves into attacking her and thence trying to save the real ranger.
3) that given she could be Frodo: a Frodo who would wish to turn into the dark side and thence our enemy...
4) she is not a gifted anyway as that would have been calling the wraiths on her.
5) so is she a wraith trying to lure us into thinking that she's a brave ordo trying to mislead the wraiths? Somehow that explanation seems to be the most believable to me...

Dury is experienced enough not to make the mistake of trying that kind of thing were she a gifted. But also she is experienced enough not to try that as an ordo as that is a no-win scheme (the wolves didn't kill her last Night anyway).

So the best explanation to her behaviour is that she's a wraith...

*Needs to think this again*

[satansaloser2005]

Okay, back but I'm babysitting for one of my ex-coworker's kids so I'll probably pop in and maybe vote, if I feel that I can do so fairly confidently.

So, without reading toDay in great detail, I was really concerned by yesterDay's voting of Gollum. Now while Mac was trying to save himself, upon looking it over again I think it was more of an innocent Mac trying to save himself while the wraiths took advantage of it.


I'm really sorry I've not been around more. I know it's Saturday, so theoretically I should have been around more but with Emily coming back and everything it's been nuts. I'll do what I can but for now accept apologies for my laziness.


Blah. I need to go. Hopefully back soon.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

So, without reading toDay in great detail, I was really concerned by yesterDay's voting of Gollum. Now while Mac was trying to save himself, upon looking it over again I think it was more of an innocent Mac trying to save himself while the wraiths took advantage of it.

I'm sorry, but that really doesn't make any sense at all, as far as I can see. Why would the wraiths "take advantage" of an innocent Mac's desire to save himself in order to lynch an ordo Gollum? If Mac is innocent, wouldn't they be equally happy to see him go? Nerwen's vote looked odd to me at the time (mostly the way she seemed to have no opinion, but pounce on Gollum as soon as he became an option), but I still don't think your scenario is logical.

Actually, the only logical evil-Nerwen explaination I can think of is that Nerwen is Ferny, and thought any of those three could well have been wraiths, while Gollum couldn't.

EDIT: X'd with Lommy, as always, and Nerwen herself.

[Lariren Shadow]

Sorry to again be gone for the almost entry Day.

In RL I went wine tasting, so I needed a lot of time to recover. On page 9 by this point.

As for the suspicions: I was going to restate the ones that previous people said. I know I was called out last time for doing that so I decided not to.

Putting it out there though: the vote from the end of yesterday made me really think. It didn't look right, even if I've seen Mac do that before. When he did it before it was really into the game, now it was really quick. Not to mention his quick accusations of only three people while everyone else apparently looks innocentish(never mind there still isn't a lot to go on).

Nerwen also didn't come off too good in that episode either.