Hardly an American 'Stand' in...

[William Cloud Hicklin]

A timely thread, given that al-Qaeda seems to have been playing with (and released) bubonic plague in North Africa.

[alatar]

Originally Posted by William Cloud Hicklin

A timely thread, given that al-Qaeda seems to have been playing with (and released) bubonic plague in North Africa.

I heard about that as well, and here's a link. To me, I'm not sure what's most frightening...actual plague/pandemic, the fear (and overreaction) of the same or that Stephen King will be heralded as a visionary.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by alatar

I heard about that as well, and here's a link. To me, I'm not sure what's most frightening...actual plague/pandemic, the fear (and overreaction) of the same or that Stephen King will be heralded as a visionary.

I'd vote for the latter.

[alatar]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I'd vote for the latter.

You obviously haven't read the *uncut* version of The Stand.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by alatar

You obviously haven't read the *uncut* version of The Stand.

Actually, I have. It's notable that the disease of the book was a "superflu", deliberately modified to be of the "shifting antigen" varity, which was the cause of its overwhelming mortality rate. This real event involves an apparently entirely natural disease caused by endemic environmental factors.

[Lalwendë]

Originally Posted by William Cloud Hicklin

A timely thread, given that al-Qaeda seems to have been playing with (and released) bubonic plague in North Africa.

Aren't they all dead though? As The Sun gleefully reported the other day....

This sounds like Terry Nation's Survivors, which has recently been revived by BBC1 though I got fed up with it after a couple of episodes. I like dystopian fiction but apocalyptic fiction I find quite depressing - The Road probably gives the most realistic account of what would happen, which isn't a very cheery thought

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Originally Posted by Lalwendë

Aren't they all dead though?

And the rats........?

[alatar]

Originally Posted by Lalwendë

Aren't they all dead though? As The Sun gleefully reported the other day....

It's being spun both ways. One side is saying that the CIA is behind it as it's a low tech yet effective way of combating terrorists, as they don't have access to antibiotics, as we do. The other side is saying that this is more like bio-warfare gone awry, just like in The Stand.

Note that 'plague' is treatable. Check out the CDC for more plague information. For anyone getting nervous (sorry!), there's a *whole* lot more to worry about than just the plague...unless you have it, of course.

Didn't the Gondorians experience plague as well?

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Actually, I have.

Sorry for my playful retort. If you've read the book...well, I shouldn't add to your suffering.

It's notable that the disease of the book was a "superflu", deliberately modified to be of the "shifting antigen" varity, which was the cause of its overwhelming mortality rate. This real event involves an apparently entirely natural disease caused by endemic environmental factors.

To use an argument from authority, I, as a former molecular biologist, find King's science not very deep. Why, for an example, does this ever-mutating flu still kill the entire world population in pretty much the same way? Why too does it maintain its ability to kill domestic creature and not their closely-related cousins? If the scientists were able to engineer the bacterium/virus with such specificity, then it's highly unlikely that they weren't able to have a means to combat it already on hand - if I can keep it from killing wolves and weasels, then I know how they differ from dogs, and so I also would know how I could prevent myself from being attacked by the same.

And I guess that King's monkeys are domestic (which, if you had a thousand of them... ), as I think that Larry Underwood watches one kick off. Now, how related are we to monkeys? Or did King mean apes? Or was the plague just a convenient way to quickly set up his primary or secondary world in under a few thousands pages?

Methinks it is the later.

Thanks for posting, and if you've read it, I'd like to read your thoughts on how it compares to LotR.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by alatar

Sorry for my playful retort. If you've read the book...well, I shouldn't add to your suffering.

Sorry if I came off as testy. I was in a hurry and didn't have time for elaboration.

Originally Posted by alatar

To use an argument from authority, I, as a former molecular biologist, find King's science not very deep.

I am by no means an expert in molecular biology or epidemiology, but I've had many of the same questions as you about the nature of "Captain Trips". On a side note, being in the law enforcement field, I think SK takes similar liberties with police matters in From a Buick 8.

Originally Posted by alatar

Thanks for posting, and if you've read it, I'd like to read your thoughts on how it compares to LotR.

Well, many of the similarites have already been noted by you and others here.
Keep in mind, it's probably been two or three years since I last read it, though I think it's still in my basement somewhere.
We have the good band of pilgrims, called together apparently at random, to fulfill their roles in an epic battle against evil.
We have Mother Abigail: seemingly a cross between Elrond, as a bastion of guidance and wisdom, and Gandalf, taking an active role in organising the resistance to the incarnate evil facing the world.
As you noted, the Trashcan Man can be said to be the book's Gollum. I didn't see you mention what I believe to be their chief likeness, however. Both do good they do not intend, fulfilling, I think, the Plan of a higher Power.
Both books have leading toward the climax, a smaller group of persons, specially chosen to go to the land of the Enemy into what they believe to be certain death. Frodo and Sam in LOTR, and Stu, Larry, Glen, and Ralph in The Stand.
Harold Lauder, I think, could be somewhat likened to Boromir. Both, due to intrinsic flaws in their character, show themselves to be particularly vulnerable to evil impulses: Boromir is the only one of the Company to give in to the power of the Ring and attempt to wrest it from Frodo. Lauder, due to childhood experiences and his jealous hatred for Stu, consciously makes the decision to attempt to assassinate the members of the Committee.
Both repent in the end, but too late.
Overall, The Stand is not bad, for what it is. To me, it really belongs in the sci-fi genre rather than fantasy. The dialogue, characters, and plotting do not measure up to LOTR, but then again, what does?

[Lalwendë]

Originally Posted by William Cloud Hicklin

And the rats........?

Which sort of plague was it though? Am I right that one type is carried by rats/fleas while another is transmitted human-to-human?

Originally Posted by alatar

It's being spun both ways. One side is saying that the CIA is behind it as it's a low tech yet effective way of combating terrorists, as they don't have access to antibiotics, as we do. The other side is saying that this is more like bio-warfare gone awry, just like in The Stand.

Note that 'plague' is treatable. Check out the CDC for more plague information. For anyone getting nervous (sorry!), there's a *whole* lot more to worry about than just the plague...unless you have it, of course.

Well you've reassured me at least I suppose plague is something we already know about and can prepare medicines to deal with, whereas Flu constantly mutates. Though there's been precious little in our media about this apart from in The Sun!

[alatar]

Originally Posted by Lalwendë

Which sort of plague was it though? Am I right that one type is carried by rats/fleas while another is transmitted human-to-human?

The plague in the book is human-to-human, or at least air borne. Again, King's not really clear nor deep, as it seems that if someone sneezes or coughs *near* you, you're infected. Plus domestic animals die out, so...

Well you've reassured me at least I suppose plague is something we already know about and can prepare medicines to deal with, whereas Flu constantly mutates. Though there's been precious little in our media about this apart from in The Sun!

Don't worry about the plague. It's things like MRSA that can be more of a concern. Live healthily, and wash your hands, and you should be good. And note that (knowing you're a mother) that the little one will have sniffles and fevers and earaches and whathaveyou, but will be just fine. Been there done (and still doing) that.

But back to the story. Last night, the Trashcan Man gets lupine help so that he can leave another baddie, and gets escorted by these wolves as well, much like Wormtongue on his way back to Isengard.