Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Brinn

True, which is another reason why I think you innocent. Unless you're a bluffing wolf...but I don't think so. I just don't see what the point would be in giving the village another Day to lynch if you could've sealed our fate yesterDay.

Yeah, unless I had a really twisted sense of humour...

Originally Posted by Brinn

Lommy, sometimes I wonder how your brain works. You make things so much more complicated than they really are.

I know!

Nerwen's being odd. But now that I've thought of it, I'm less convinced of her guilt.

Greenie scares me to no end.

Brinn seems very innocent - I'm afraid she's fooling me brilliantly!

Originally Posted by Nerwen

As I said, I don't really want to go into a long, distracting defence of myself.

I think it would be more enlightening than distracting.

I think Nerwen's explanation of her tactics sounds reasonable... but a wolf could have employed them too... if it was just a faint suspicion and her fellows didn't agree or they had some master plan... I dunno. I need to think more about it.

Tell me, if Brinn really was a wolf, would she put all that effort to analysis? I find it a bit hard to believe, but on the other hand... I think she's done something a bit similar before...

[Thinlómien]

Aieee I've been avoiding thinking about this stuff by reading other threads and I'm still way too unsure. And no one's even saying anything. *goes to reread everybody's posts in a brinnielly fashion*

[Brinniel]

Alright, I wanted to wait until I heard more, but I'm already leaving to work on my project over an hour later than planned. I can't wait any longer.

My vote shouldn't be any surprise though:

++Lommy for rep

I will be back later tonight, but as I have a lot of things to do, I'm not sure what time. Could be as early as 7pm EST or late as 10pm EST.

[Thinlómien]

I'm pretty sure this has been discussed before but:

Originally Posted by Brinn to Agan

Part of the reason I chose you was because you unusually quiet; I was hoping that by putting you in a position of power I could draw you out more and get a better read of you early in the game.

I think Agan said she had been busy, and one can hardly change others' RL hurries by voting them for a rep... Brinn's answer to this was pretty evasive, I think. But sometimes even innocents' reasonings don't make sense or a re badly constructed...

One thing about Brinn makes me wonder. She has suspected pretty much all the wolves, pretty much all the time. Incredible gut-feelings (like she often has) or sinister wolf-tactics? Aieeeeeee...............

Originally Posted by Brinn

Nogrod: I admittingly keep skimming through his posts because they're so lengthy (along with a few other players). I tend to agree with him too much, but I can never get myself to trust him.

Which one is more probable: a wolf skimming a fellow's posts or an innocent skimming an unknown's posts? I'm almost inclined to believe the latter...

Originally Posted by Brinn

Lommy I tend to think is more innocent than not, though I'm not sure about it. Greenie is the same except she has even less posts, which I can only conclude is because she goes to bed too early (compared to her sister who goes to bed too late).

I only noticed this now! I would protest if that was not so true. Touché, m'dear.

Originally Posted by Brinn

tp and Boro really are bothering me. And it's not just the buddying up business....I agree this ploy thing is getting annoying. It's like saying, "Look what I did, I'm so helpful to the village. I'm an absolute genius compared to the rest of you who didn't even attempt any ploys." And then when people start to suspect them, they react like, "Why are you suspecting me? You should be thanking me." It's such arrogant behaviour. And if they really were innocent, why even mention that they successfully set up a ploy? What's done is done and I don't see a reason why anyone else should know about the ploy, especially if you intend to trap the wolves again.

tp and Boro are distracting, and I just can't see why someone who is actually innocent would want to distract us from focusing on the wolves. I'm not so sure that both of them are wolves (though it's something they could certainly pull off), but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if one them is a baddie.

This just looks like a very convenient thing for a wolf to say.

Originally Posted by Brinn

Ilya, Noggie has received one vote as well.

Okay I know this is a really silly suspicion but somehow her being so aware of that is a little fishy... on the other hand, though, is she was considering voting Nog herself, she'd be paying attention to stuff like this so argh scratch my stupid point.

Originally Posted by Brinn

When I paraphrase with a quote, the tone doesn't exactly come out in written word. But by using that statement, I was trying to say that I didn't like how you and Boro seemed to be so surprised that the village was turning on you. You both made some pretty bold statements and innocent or not, I don't think you should expect people to instantly trust you just because you claim you've been creating all these ploys to manipulate the wolves. It's the same thing if someone were to claim seership...even if they were the real seer, they can't expect others to instantly believe them until there's some solid evidence to back up their claim. So I don't see any reason why the village shouldn't suspect you guys, just as anyone else could be as easily suspected. Which is why I found your reactions to other people doubting you discomforting and suspicious. Does that make sense?

This sounds innocent, I think.

Originally Posted by Brinn

Gil-Galad: Still MIA.

Not that it matters, but what does "MIA" mean?

Originally Posted by Brinn

Ka: She's already dead, but I'll share my opinion on the matter anyway. She's been so quiet and submarine-ish, it's something I find quite unsettling. Though honestly I don't think I would've chosen to lynch her toDay as there are others who I suspect more and it would've been nice to give her another Day to defend herself...though I suppose there wasn't much guarantee that she'd even show up to do that...

Rather innocent again.

On thing that troubles me about Brinn is that her opinions hardly change during the game. (For example, her opinions about me and Greenie have been pretty much the same all along...) Odd...

Originally Posted by Brinn

Okay, I'm starting to get really irritated that I even bothered to put up those quotes. Because I didn't put them up so that everyone can be lazy and not bother to do any research themselves. I'm not perfect...how do you know that I haven't missed an important quote somewhere? With over 40 pages, it'd be easy for me to miss something. And ever since Boro revealed morm and Nogrod, there has been a terrible amount of slacking. Some effort needs to be done to actually find the final wolf and it shouldn't only be done by one or two people. So far it seems there has been a lot of assumed suspicion without much research.

I think this sounds very genuine, and innocent too.

Okay, that's it. Gosh this takes time... Conclusion: Brinn's more innocent than not. But I will refrain from further comments before I've checked Nerwen and Greenie too.


edit: xed with my analysis-target

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Lommy

if I was a wolf, this game'd be over: I wouldn't have voted Gil yesterDay and we'd be sitting here, me hogging my rep vote...

Ah, that's true. Never crossed my mind.

I should vote for a rep now because I need to go to sleep before my lovely session of eight and a half hours of school tomorrow... Now I don't think anyone is surprised when I vote

++ Lommy for rep

Because I think she is innocent and because I don't want to have her lynched. And at least I'm now ensuring that we get one rep. I leave it for Lommie and Nerwen to give us another.

[Thinlómien]

Okay, just a quick comment.

I'm wondering why I'm alive.

Because I think I should be dead. Kath was not suspected either, but I think I was more generally considered innocent.

Is it more than random that I'm not dead?

Did the wolf assume I'd go after Nerwen and thus thought it safe to keep me around? Or did Nerwen try a very very bold bluff this way?

I'm a bit baffled, but this does make me feel better about Nerwie. She would have had a perfect excuse to eliminate someone who suspected her quite a lot - why wouldn't she have used it?

[Thinlómien]

Anyone else around? I feel a bit lonely...

Btw, I wonder if we're going to make it past 2000 posts... that would be quite something.

Ok, but now I'm off to reread and analyse Greenie.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Greenie

I like Agan's idea of voting Brinn for rep. She seems a sensible choice. Other possibilities for me might be Lommy or THE Ka. Argh. I don't know.

THE Ka? Interesting...

She also makes a nice turn from trusting THE Ka to finding her creepy with whatsoever no reasoning. Why? Do you still remember, Greenie?

Originally Posted by Greenie

Well I can't help but think that from a reasonable player such as Nog this really looks like a vague argument. Truly, that argument looks like grasping at straws more than anything else. (Or then it's just me when I really saw nothing at all suspicious about Leggie's SW jokes.) Anyhow, I don't know how would it serve a wolf-Nog to make such a vague case on Legate when he already had suspicions and voting candidates of his own. Perhaps if he wanted to give the other reps more fuel for lynching Legate without joining the bandwagon himself... But really, I'm not sure - otherwise Nog has looked quite innocent so I don't quite buy my own argument yet...

Sounds slightly fellow-y...

Greenie suspects Nog quite vehemently, which speaks for her innocence.

Originally Posted by Greenie to El(e) Phant(om)

I really hope it is so. You know, if no one pointed out behaviour that strikes them as suspicious or weird, then where would that lead? For my part, I have the habit of pointing out behaviour that looks suspicious or groundless to me, and I will not start making exceptions in that based on who the oddly behaving person is. (If I see an otherwise innocent-seeming you saying something like that in the future, though, I promise to let it go. )

Disturbing use of smiley.

Originally Posted by Greenie

Overall impressions:
- I'm glad to have seen more of Sally. She seems innocentish this far.
- Agan's kill can lead to a myriad directions, I'd love to have a better look at it too. (It seems I already have loads of stuff I'd like to have a look at...)
- I'm torn about Nerwen. The problem isn't the classic no read -problem, but a problem of having both innocent and suspicious vibes about her. She's a one I'll definitely have a look at if I have the time. (See? SEE?)
- I don't trust Ilya. I don't right know where I got that assumption from. Suppose I have to look at it ([rolleyes-smiley])...

Somehow, this just sounded very innocent.

Originally Posted by Greenie to tp

And why would I think you are the seer?

More disturbing smilies...

Originally Posted by Greenie

I had a beautiful theory on why Nog's a wolf but it's no use now since he's officially revealed wolf. And the once I got something figured... Gah. Frustrating.

I used to say that this points at her innocence but it could have been that she had just planned a case on a fellow, too...

Originally Posted by Greenie

About the Gil-wolf-thing - I don't know but it just seems so improbable to me... I have heard that Gil is the sort of player whose interest in a game depends on his role. Given that I don't think he has a special role. In addition, I don't think he could be that baffled and confused if he were a wolf, unless he was bluffing of course... Yeah, and besides, I would guess his fellows would have urged him to contribute more. (Or at least should have urged..)

Hmm. I don't think we should eliminate the possibility of Gil being a wolf, but at this point I find it very improbable. I wouldn't mind if he got lynched, but I don't think we should waste a lynch on him either.

This sounds innocentish, I think.

And that's her.

Conclusion: fishy like Gollum's favourite food. More suspicious than Brinn. Need to check Nerwen before saying anything more, though.