The Middle Earth Popularity Cup - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

skip spence · 11-24-2008, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

And skip, you may be the starter of this thread, but if you try to undermine our voting efforts, we are going to drop a Palantír on your head.

Okay, okay, those things are really heavy!

Saruman wins 9-4

Match 9 of round 1

Next up is another exiting encounter. Both are bearded, old and in possession of supernatural abilities but whereas one lives for his work, the other lives for pleasure.

Gandalf vs Tom Bombadil

Gollum the Great · 11-24-2008, 12:12 PM

Definitely

++Gandalf

Wielder of the Flame of Anor. Wise old counselor. Reminds my of my grandfather, full of intelligence, speaks in riddles, stern at times yet lovable.

Groin Redbeard · 11-24-2008, 12:24 PM

Bombadil is too silly for me. He is, at least to me, the ultimate ADD patient.

Therefore I would have to pick Gandalf.

++Gandalf

I don't vote for Gandalf because I dislike Tom Bombadil (lots of people in this thread are simply voting the other way because they don't like the match up), but because I really enjoy Gandalf better than that crazy "jolly Tom". Tolkien's way of sanctifying a prophet in his myth, Gandalf shows the true selflessness of a leader, and he is the only one out of the five Blue Wizards who stay true to the original purpose of Eru. We see the best of him as a care free old wander while in the Shire (as a rule only, as Aragorn states) and we see the cunning wise wizard that he is while he executes his plan to unite the free peoples of Middle-earth to fight against the forces of evil. Yet for all that we know about him there is still a sense of mystery around him, not even Galadriel knew his full purpose.

Anyway, I think Gandalf sayed it best in the comparision between him and Bombadil when he said: "He is a moss gathere, and I am a stone doomed to rolling."

Thinlómien · 11-24-2008, 12:29 PM

++Gandalf

Such a lovely mix of gentle wisdom, pity, true caring for citizens of Middle-Earth and a flaring temper with more than a little "toughness". Besides, he has an incredibly funny sense of humour at times.

Jolly old Tom is rather sympathetic too, but he just can't compete with one of my all-time favourites.

Morthoron · 11-24-2008, 12:56 PM

++Gandalf

Bombadil's gear is just too flamboyant, and his poetry is horrid.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 11-24-2008, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Groin Redbeard

he is the only one out of the five Blue Wizards who stay true to the original purpose of Eru.

I think you mean one out of the five Wizards. Only two of them were Blue, and Gandalf was certainly Grey.

Speaking of him,

++Gandalf

Another great personality, and there's lot about him to admire, and besides, there's so many tales which could be told about him, so many things about which we know just hints! (To name just the most "obvious" ones: How exactly did it go when he as in Dol Guldur? What did he do in Moria when he was there for the first time? What did he do in Angmar or Nurn?!?!) Old TB is not a bad guy, but... he just is not as interesting.

Lalwendë · 11-24-2008, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skip spence

Okay, okay, those things are really heavy!

Saruman wins 9-4

Match 9 of round 1

Next up is another exiting encounter. Both are bearded, old and in possession of supernatural abilities but whereas one lives for his work, the other lives for pleasure.

Gandalf vs Tom Bombadil

Seriously, Skip, I have you pinned now. I've got your number. I know who you are.

You, sir, are the evil pixie who lives in the bottom of the machine thing that they draw numbers out of for FA Cup Fixtures and who nixes it and makes for evil match-ups.

Anyway, as much as I lurve (yeah, lurve, bleurgh) Tom Bombadillo, it has to be Gandalf as he's runner up Best Wizard Ever.

++Gandalf

Boromir88 · 11-24-2008, 02:38 PM

Oh come on where's the TB love?

++Tom Bombadil

I don't think any other character has as many thread dedicated to him than ole Bombadil.

Besides...Gandalf is the perpetrator of the horribe "Gandalf uncloaked!" gags, and he eats hobbits.

Tuor in Gondolin · 11-24-2008, 02:43 PM

+ + Smaug , oh wait, he wasn't invited
to this contest

Well, then + + Tom Bombadil , since
he wasn't invited to PJ's movies.

Quote:

Besides...Gandalf is the perpetrator of the horribe "Gandalf uncloaked!" gags, and he eats hobbits.

And he assaults noble Stewards of Gondor (Hey, it must be true, it's on tape)!

Nogrod · 11-24-2008, 03:12 PM

Olórin learned to cry with Nienna but no one knows where Tom learned to laugh.

Gandalf is just one wizard-maia - even though the greatest of them by any means - but what is Tom? No one knows where did he come from or how long has be been around?

Gandalf is weak enough to be afraid of the master-ring but Tom just toys with it.

Do I need say more?

++ Tom Bombadill

Even if silly, he's the coolest guy in the whole ME. He carries something of Aristotle's megalopsykhia with him, the highest virtue - to be enough for himself not to count his worth on the opinions of others, and secure enough to be able to hold his ground (or those he cared / were good) if challenged.

One should not step on the toes of a wizard... but even less should one make Tom angry.

(Tom just sang the Barrow-Wight away... Gandalf would have needed threats, magic + fire and brimstone to that effect!)

To be honest I do love Gandalf as all of you others but we need some competition here - and Aganzir painted my boots yellow anyway!

mormegil · 11-24-2008, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Besides...Gandalf is the perpetrator of the horribe "Gandalf uncloaked!" gags

All the more reason to vote for him. I must agree with Lal in that this is a difficult match up indeed.

++Tommy

His taste in women is much better than Gandalf's

Ibrîniðilpathânezel · 11-24-2008, 03:37 PM

++Gandalf

Because he pretty much literally saved my life. (long story, on my website)

Nogrod · 11-24-2008, 03:41 PM

Gandalf leads only 7-4!

Ilya · 11-24-2008, 03:42 PM

Oh, this is a tough call, but I gotta go

++Gandalf

Gotta love a made who can always handle white, and has the sense not to sing too much.

Eönwë · 11-24-2008, 04:17 PM

++Tom Bombadil

How can you not vote for him‽

edit: Yes, I'm aloud to use strange punctuation marks.

Lalwendë · 11-24-2008, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eönwë

++Tom Bombadil

How can you not vote for him!

Listen, I nearly abstained, this is getting ridiculous! I'm a Libran, this is literally torture to me.

skip spence · 11-25-2008, 09:49 AM

Is a remarkable comeback under way? Gandalf raced to a 6-0 lead but Bombadillo has clawed himself back into it and now trails only by 9-7. Tom was the first to walk the hills and fields but will he also be the last man standing? Sing up a storm Tommy!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lalwendë

Seriously, Skip, I have you pinned now. I've got your number. I know who you are.

You, sir, are the evil pixie who lives in the bottom of the machine thing that they draw numbers out of for FA Cup Fixtures and who nixes it and makes for evil match-ups.

Now that's just plain ridiculous! I'll have you know I'm just a regular run-of-the-mill pixie who isn't evil in any way and wouldn't dream of mixing with the draw of any competition, in association football or otherwise. Besides, pixies don't fit into lottery machines, everybody knows that! What the FA Cup and the Popularity Cup have in common though is that there's no seeding.

Aganzir · 11-25-2008, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

To be honest I do love Gandalf as all of you others but we need some competition here - and Aganzir painted my boots yellow anyway!

++ Tom Bom, jolly Tom

One of my favourite characters. His carefree attitude is something I try to remember myself - why worry about minor things? All in all he's a better role model to me than Gandalf.
I guess the most important things why I like him are his independence and freedom. I would love to live like him in a small house in the middle of a creepy forest, not being afraid of it because it has no power on him. And yes I agree with morm - his taste in women is way ahead of Gandalf, although having read the Adventures of Tom Bombadil, one might want to question his means.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 11-25-2008, 11:30 AM

You cannot vote for an enigma, that woul just be silly!

++Gandalf

Legate of Amon Lanc · 11-25-2008, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

You cannot vote for an enigma, that woul just be silly!

Well, I wouldn't say voting for an enigma is actually silly. That's actually what many people like. But still, I prefer Gandalf simply for what he is like. And speaking of it, even Gandalf himself is, from part, an enigma...

As much as everyone is, for that matter.

11-24-2008, 12:12 PM	#2
Gollum the Great Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Pinnacle of my own might Posts: 386	Definitely ++Gandalf Wielder of the Flame of Anor. Wise old counselor. Reminds my of my grandfather, full of intelligence, speaks in riddles, stern at times yet lovable. __________________ 'It just shows you how true it is that one-half the world doesn't knows how the other three-quarters lives.' Bertie, The Code of the Woosters, by P. G. Wodewouse

11-24-2008, 12:24 PM	#3
Groin Redbeard Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Facing the world's troubles with Christ's hope! Posts: 1,635	Bombadil is too silly for me. He is, at least to me, the ultimate ADD patient. Therefore I would have to pick Gandalf. ++Gandalf I don't vote for Gandalf because I dislike Tom Bombadil (lots of people in this thread are simply voting the other way because they don't like the match up), but because I really enjoy Gandalf better than that crazy "jolly Tom". Tolkien's way of sanctifying a prophet in his myth, Gandalf shows the true selflessness of a leader, and he is the only one out of the five Blue Wizards who stay true to the original purpose of Eru. We see the best of him as a care free old wander while in the Shire (as a rule only, as Aragorn states) and we see the cunning wise wizard that he is while he executes his plan to unite the free peoples of Middle-earth to fight against the forces of evil. Yet for all that we know about him there is still a sense of mystery around him, not even Galadriel knew his full purpose. Anyway, I think Gandalf sayed it best in the comparision between him and Bombadil when he said: "He is a moss gathere, and I am a stone doomed to rolling." __________________ I heard the bells on Christmas Day. Their old, familiar carols play. And wild and sweet the words repeatof peace on earth, good-will to men! ~Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

11-24-2008, 12:29 PM	#4
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	++Gandalf Such a lovely mix of gentle wisdom, pity, true caring for citizens of Middle-Earth and a flaring temper with more than a little "toughness". Besides, he has an incredibly funny sense of humour at times. Jolly old Tom is rather sympathetic too, but he just can't compete with one of my all-time favourites. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

11-24-2008, 12:56 PM	#5
Morthoron Curmudgeonly Wordwraith Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ensconced in curmudgeonly pursuits Posts: 2,515	++Gandalf Bombadil's gear is just too flamboyant, and his poetry is horrid. __________________ And your little sister's immaculate virginity wings away on the bony shoulders of a young horse named George who stole surreptitiously into her geography revision.

11-24-2008, 02:38 PM	#8
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	Oh come on where's the TB love? ++Tom Bombadil I don't think any other character has as many thread dedicated to him than ole Bombadil. Besides...Gandalf is the perpetrator of the horribe "Gandalf uncloaked!" gags, and he eats hobbits. __________________ Fenris Penguin

11-24-2008, 03:12 PM	#10
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Olórin learned to cry with Nienna but no one knows where Tom learned to laugh. Gandalf is just one wizard-maia - even though the greatest of them by any means - but what is Tom? No one knows where did he come from or how long has be been around? Gandalf is weak enough to be afraid of the master-ring but Tom just toys with it. Do I need say more? ++ Tom Bombadill Even if silly, he's the coolest guy in the whole ME. He carries something of Aristotle's megalopsykhia with him, the highest virtue - to be enough for himself not to count his worth on the opinions of others, and secure enough to be able to hold his ground (or those he cared / were good) if challenged. One should not step on the toes of a wizard... but even less should one make Tom angry. (Tom just sang the Barrow-Wight away... Gandalf would have needed threats, magic + fire and brimstone to that effect!) To be honest I do love Gandalf as all of you others but we need some competition here - and Aganzir painted my boots yellow anyway! __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet... Last edited by Nogrod; 11-24-2008 at 03:18 PM.

11-24-2008, 03:37 PM	#12
Ibrîniðilpathânezel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the Helcaraxe Posts: 733	++Gandalf Because he pretty much literally saved my life. (long story, on my website) __________________ Call me Ibrin (or Ibri) :) Originality is the one thing that unoriginal minds cannot feel the use of. — John Stewart Mill

11-24-2008, 03:41 PM	#13
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Gandalf leads only 7-4! __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

11-24-2008, 03:42 PM	#14
Ilya Wight Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: In the cold Posts: 202	Oh, this is a tough call, but I gotta go ++Gandalf Gotta love a made who can always handle white, and has the sense not to sing too much. __________________ Arvedui III has walked to Rivendell!

11-24-2008, 04:17 PM	#15
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	++Tom Bombadil How can you not vote for him‽ edit: Yes, I'm aloud to use strange punctuation marks. __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place Last edited by Eönwë; 11-24-2008 at 04:32 PM.

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