Werewolf LIII: The Republic

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Boromir

I guess the question is, would it be a wise choice to lynch a representative?

Why wouldn't it? It makes at least as much sense as lynch a person that is not a representative. . . It is not like everybody have been trying to become a representative, infact they seem to have been elected quite at random, so there is no reason that a wolf should not be amongst them.

I have read most of what happened since I left, but I simply skipped some of Aganzir, Lommy and Legates posts. . . . It is too late for me to read through that massive posts.

[the phantom]

Well, when you remove the people from the village that I listed as "safe from my vote", you are left with-

Diamond18
Ilya
McCaber
Nerwen
Rune
Shasta
The Ka

Crap. I don't really want to vote for anyone. Day 1.

I suppose the most important thing here is avoiding a massive tie. We have a three-lynch going right now. We have four Reps left to vote. If we pick new people, that'll be a seven-lynch blood bath.

No. Not good.

Boro, Brin, Ilya- do not feel that I am pressuring you to vote for someone who has already been voted for. Feel free, for I will hold my vote till near the end and put someone ahead if there is a mass tie.

But if all of you decide to do the same thing then we're looking at chaos and possibly disasterous cross-posting votes in which we all vote for someone with one vote and end up with a three-lynch or something like that. Whatever we do, let's find a way to avoid that.

[Brinniel]

Phew, I just did some majorly fast reading. It's been a long Day (both here and RL)...

Just a quick response to Legate:

Originally Posted by Legate

Now, now. What the Republic of a nonsense is that? Agan posted two posts which contained about nothing, and she said plainly there that she posts little because she does not have time. She also said she won't probably have much time tomorrow. So, if you voted her to be a Rep in order to see her posting more - you are doing something illogical, aren't you? If you ever read her posts, for that's the only thing I could think of as logical reason for that.

To see her posting more was only one of the reasons I voted her...the main reason I chose her was because I think she can have good judgement if innocent. And did she really not have time to post today? I think she posted plenty...

I still need to share my thoughts of everyone from what I've gathered so far...or at least what I've managed to gather. So much info in so little time is making my head explode.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Diamond18 will no longer be participating in this game. She was an ordinary villager and will be written out respectfully.

[the phantom]

Darn it!

I was just about to float the idea of lynching Di because she seemed like a very safe lynch (ie not the Seer).

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I advise floating a different idea. Although you may feel free to waste your vote on her if you truly wish to do so.

[Boromir88]

Feel free, for I will hold my vote till near the end and put someone ahead if there is a mass tie.~the phantom

Well, I was going to put myself under that situation if it came down to it, but hey if you want to take it, I'm not complaining.

In that case, I'll vote sometime before the deadline, hopefully I can hear a bit more from others before then? What do you say? But it will be before the very, very end, if you know what I mean.

[Boromir88]

Oh, and so it is clear, I think I'm pretty much down between Legate and Agan. I will look through the stuff on Eonwe, but as far as Gwath, I don't see any reason to vote for him. Yes, Nogrod, that means I'm not buying your argument.

[the phantom]

So what do you think Boro? Go for a target that is giving off vibes, and risk that they are Seer vibes, or go for a target that seems extremely safe?

[Boromir88]

So what do you think Boro? Go for a target that is giving off vibes, and risk that they are Seer vibes, or go for a target that seems extremely safe?~the phantom

I'm going for someone giving off vibes, in this village with 4 wolves, and 1 gifted (the seer) I doubt the seer would be out in the open right at the start. Making a safe choice may actually turn out being the unsafe thing. Of course I could be completely wrong about all that.

[Boromir88]

May I ask tp, what do you think about Legate and Agan? Not trying to lobby a vote here, but just in general, taking the risk of lynching either of them this early?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

To see her posting more was only one of the reasons I voted her...the main reason I chose her was because I think she can have good judgement if innocent. And did she really not have time to post today? I think she posted plenty...

I still need to share my thoughts of everyone from what I've gathered so far...or at least what I've managed to gather. So much info in so little time is making my head explode.

What and odd reason that is. . .I don't know if it speaks of innocens or wolfishness, but odd it is.

You are right that Aganzir posted plenty, infact she posted so much that it could seem like unauthorized filibustering.

Anyways I shall go to sleep now. . . . I will see you on election day. (if you dare)

[Ilya]

I was called away unexpectedly, but now I have returned. Thoughts:

Does anybody else find it odd that Agan and Brinn voted for each other, and now Brinn is questioning Agan? There may be nothing to it, but Agan has been a little hard to follow, at least for me, and it just muddles things further.

Legate seems to be a choice on other people's lists. I need another rereading before I'm ready to cast a vote.

tp's list has a lot of players that haven't spoken a lot. It may be the way to go, to try an torpedo a lurker, especially with things so unclear on day 1, but that's not what I'm going to do. I think there's enough written, and there should be at eleven pages, to pull some suspicion from those who have posted.

[mormegil]

I would like to point out that you phantom at 85 posts on Day 1, and counting, are responsible for over 2 full pages of posts...and they complain about the quiet ones...quite frankly I'm grateful there are some who have a reasonable post count here.

[Brinniel]

Aganzir: Nothing about her rings any alarms. Is it just me or does seem she and Lommy always fight in WW games together? Anyway, whatever's between them, I think it's ordo-on-ordo.

Boromir88: Hard to say. I think he's been posting wisely and while part of me feels inclined to trust him, another part of me is not so sure.

Eönwë: Has sort of fallen under my radar. In other words, I have no idea.

Gil-Galad: His confusion makes me think he's more likely innocent. I think were he a wolf, he would've taken time to at least glance at the rules.

Greenie: Not sure. I always have trouble trusting her.

Gwathagor: Hasn't really said enough for me to get a clear opinion on him.

Ilya: Is a player I'm not familiar with. She doesn't ring any alarms yet, but since I don't know her playing style at all, I'd like to keep an eye on her.

Legate: I agree he's acting a bit odd. His flip flop on tp was weird and he seems a bit too eager with power.

Lommy: see Aganzir

Kath: I need to hear more from her.

McCaber: Seems to be laying low.

mormegil: As of now, I have no idea. But I admit each time I play with him, he scares me.

Nerwen: Also needs to post more.

Nogrod: I admittingly keep skimming through his posts because they're so lengthy (along with a few other players). I tend to agree with him too much, but I can never get myself to trust him.

Rune: Is too focused on voting reps. Perhaps it's hard to find suspects in this early stage, but if you can find someone innocentish, surely you could also share something that seems slightly suspicious to you..

Sally: Is her usual happy-go-lucky self.

Shasta: Hasn't rang any alarms yet, but as of now I don't have any idea.

The Ka: Has posted substance, but still seems uninvolved. Something about Ka feels odd....just a gut feeling there.

the phantom: At 85 posts in one Day, he's reached an aggressive stage of CPD. Truly, tp always remains a mystery to me. Right now I don't see any reason to suspect, but if I do in the future I might not hesitate to vote for him. Because I did before and he turned out to be a wolf...

So...

Slightly Suspicious
Legate
McCaber
Ka

No Clue
Boromir
Eonwe
Greenie
Gwath
Ilya
Kath
morm
Nerwen
Nogrod
Rune
Shasta
phantom

Innocentish
Aganzir
Gil-Galad
Lommy
Sally

Gah, I have way too many people in my "no clue" section, and the ones in my suspicious list I'm not even that strongly suspicious of. Oh, how I hate Day Ones.

EDIT: X-ed with Ilya and Boro

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Ilya

Does anybody else find it odd that Agan and Brinn voted for each other, and now Brinn is questioning Agan?

When did I question Aganzir?

[Ilya]

Brinn, strike my last. You were responding to Legate, not Agan. All these posts are starting to run together.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

And people were worried about boring days...

[McCaber]

Once again, coming back in. I'm not sure I like this trend of representatives voting to lynch each other. If this keeps up all the people the village trust will be dead by Monday. I suppose it is the easiest possibility, though. They were the only people still talking today.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

It is undeniably fascinating, the things that happen once you’ve died: for instance, omniscience. A skill that would help a rather lot in life, and you don’t get it until it’s too late. The poetic justice simply astonishes, and drives mad.

Yes, village, I am watching you. You killed me. It’s called being haunted. Get used to it.

In fact, village, I’ve got a few things to say.

Stop looking at me like that, it shouldn’t surprise you that I’m talking to you now, I’ve been telling you things all day. Just because it’s finally dark enough for me to glow properly… everybody knows ghosts are only visible when moonlight reflects off their insubstantial bodies… Sunlight is useless.

What happened?

Tell me yourself, you all are the ones who did it.

Hello, Di, by the way, it’s rather nice to see you here, with me, in the afterlife. I’m rather sorry you didn’t survive… lethal heart attacks never do seem to ask if their timing is inconvenient, do they? Well, at least you weren’t gifted, I’m sure the village is thinking…

You already knew that? Ungrateful village. Fine. I’ll tell you.

Legate was killed directly by Aganzir, Brinniel, Boromir, and Ilya, and indirectly by Shasta, Brinniel, Aganzir, Greenie, Ka, Ilya, Lommie, and Nogrod. Yes, that’s exactly right: in effect, Aganzir, Brinniel, and Ilya got twice the typical amount of decision-making power when some of the village got none today at all, having voted for Representatives people who didn’t have enough support to seal the deal. Doesn’t that just burn your cookies?

And the phantom, you all know, had a rather ill-fated last minute attempt to vote Ralph Nader into office with the power of Boromir and dead-Legate (who I am sure appreciated the fake-effort to save him)…

In any case, I’m sure you don’t at all care about my babbling, which risks (dare I say it) revealing all sorts of secret ghostly things you shouldn’t know about, so I’ll just stop now…

FINE! Stop your yelling.

Don’t you know it’s not polite to yell at ghosts?

Legate was completely ordinary. Utterly giftless. Y’all killed a good guy.

Serves you right for assassinating your President.

Yes. I am bitter.

Deal with it.

---

Dead:

Fea
Mith
Rikae
Diamond18 (ordo)
Legate (ordo)

Alive:

Aganzir
Boromir88
Brinniel
Eönwë
Gil-Galad
Greenie
Gwathagor
Ilya
Lommy
Kath
McCaber
mormegil
Nerwen
Nogrod
Rune
Sally
Shasta
The Ka
the phantom

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

I have a quiz in the morning which I didn't know about until last minute (consequence of missing the class period when he told us about it), so I'm starting the Day early so I can study before I crash. Feel free to post.

---

Mith, darling, do you not find it diverting to watch these mortals at play?

Do you not delight in watching the evil four scheme? I love it.

Do you think they know we can see everything they're doing?

Rikae, what do you think? Do they know we are privy to their most private conversations? My, how their whispers in the night would be censored if they had any idea-

-that or they have no shame.

McCaber, lovey, so nice of you to join us. Innocent, of course. Werewolves don't kill each other... And ordinary. How was that last day in a village that kills its own members? Twisted, that lot are...

Sordid.

Sinister.

Unreliable.

---

Dead:

Fea
Mith
Rikae
Diamond18 (ordo)
Legate (ordo)
McCaber (ordo)

Alive:

Aganzir
Boromir88
Brinniel
Eönwë
Gil-Galad
Greenie
Gwathagor
Ilya
Lommy
Kath
mormegil
Nerwen
Nogrod
Rune
Sally
Shasta
The Ka
the phantom

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Boro

I'm going for someone giving off vibes, in this village with 4 wolves, and 1 gifted (the seer) I doubt the seer would be out in the open right at the start. Making a safe choice may actually turn out being the unsafe thing. Of course I could be completely wrong about all that.

Hmmm... I do see your logic. There's no way to know, I guess. It all depends on what sort of character the Seer is. Me for instance- you know good and well that I would hide right out in the open. I must think about this.

May I ask tp, what do you think about Legate and Agan? Not trying to lobby a vote here, but just in general, taking the risk of lynching either of them this early?

I'm not going to vote for them. I already said I can't trust Legate yet. So obviously I believe it is possible that he's a WW. But he's one that I think we could learn something from. I dunno... it's a risk.

[the phantom]

Brin and Ilya- what do you think about this matter?

I'd also like to know if I'm going to have to be breaking a tie, as it would then be in my best interest to skim their stuff as quickly as possible to see which would be the safer choice.

As far as my choice, I would say that Nerwen and McCaber are both relatively good choices as they did not vote for Reps and haven't said much on anyone. I've got pretty much zero vibes from them.

[the phantom]

I'm also well aware of the fact that a WW could very well be among those still to vote, which is another reason I'm holding my vote.

[the phantom]

Speaking on the matter of Legate- what worries me is that the suspicion that I and others have of him may be purposeful. I mean, that he purposefully gathered some suspicion to protect himself from being killed. In addition, if he is the Seer, he probably dreamed of me given that he chose me as his Rep. Thus you can see why I might be reluctant. If I'm going to lynch the Seer, I'd prefer not to be a complete moron and vote for a Seer who has dreamed of me.

[Ilya]

You may have to, tp. I don't have enough to vote for Eonwe or Gwath.

Edit: Legate has two votes now. I'm giving his long post one more go, and if I'm still as suspicious as I am right now, I'm gonna vote.

[Brinniel]

++Lynch Legate

Of the three on my suspicion list, he's the one I'm most suspicious of. And of the three who have already been voted for, he's the one I'd rather vote for most.

EDIT: X-ed with tp

[Boromir88]

I'm not going to vote for them. I already said I can't trust Legate yet. So obviously I believe it is possible that he's a WW. But he's one that I think we could learn something from. I dunno... it's a risk.~the phantom

Something else I try to consider is what information will I get from someone's lynch. Some one's death is the only way I'm going to get information, and while I have been considering voting for Eonwe (when I looked back through, Legate's been pretty consistant against him, and Eonwe, while has been entertaining us with catch-phrases, I saw little else). So, if Eonwe is not a wolf, what does that reveal about other villagers?

Where, obviously since Legate and Agan like to open their mouths more, their deaths could reveal a lot more for me.

[Boromir88]

As far as my choice, I would say that Nerwen and McCaber are both relatively good choices as they did not vote for Reps and haven't said much on anyone. I've got pretty much zero vibes from them.~Nerwen

I won't ever figure out Nerwen, but I would not want to see McCaber voted off yet, for the reasons I stated earlier.

Edit: Jeez oh man the gaffes, I was quoting the phantom, not Nerwen.

[Boromir88]

++Lynch Legate

[McCaber]

Boro, you can call me "the silent assassin" all you like. It is an accurate description of how I operate, after all, and it sounds awesome.

[Boromir88]

Why wouldn't it? It makes at least as much sense as lynch a person that is not a representative. . . It is not like everybody have been trying to become a representative, infact they seem to have been elected quite at random, so there is no reason that a wolf should not be amongst them.~Rune

True. I was more just trying to look at some options here. Statistically speaking there is at least one wolf who is a representative, but the same would hold true for the non-representatives. There may be a greater probability of getting a wolf from the group of non-representatives. So, either way I look at it, it looks like a crap shoot and I'm just trying to figure out which way will give I get the best odds.

Edit: crossed with Brinn, and just X'out the word "give" in the last sentence...ya that was tiredness slipping in.