Tol-in-Gaurhoth LII: Star Crossed II: Together for Eternity

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Agan, how do you keep a wave upon the sand?

Popping in as I'm home sick and didn't go to class today. A thought occurred to me last night; what if we're facing two trios of lovers? That makes more sense - numbers-wise, anyway - than two pairs (four baddies? Really?).

[Macalaure]

I just looked at Legate and Lalaith and found... nothing. Lalaith focussed on Legate and Legate focussed mostly on me, Groin, and Kitanna, but he didn't go after either of them in a way that would have really put them into danger. The people who suspected Legate most are either dead or identical to me. The list of people who mentioned being unsure of him is too long to be helpful.

Eh, I thought I'd come up with more, but I can't think today...

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

A thought occurred to me last night; what if we're facing two trios of lovers? That makes more sense - numbers-wise, anyway - than two pairs (four baddies? Really?).

Two trios? I can't help but think that's the most crackpot scheme I've ever heard and this coming from me, who specializes in scheming of the crackpot variety.

Where'd the idea of three come from, and what in the world makes you think it makes sense?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Two trios? I can't help but think that's the most crackpot scheme I've ever heard and this coming from me, who specializes in scheming of the crackpot variety.

Where'd the idea of three come from, and what in the world makes you think it makes sense?

Drink your coffee and calm down, love. *pats shoulder*



That is pretty cracked though. Where did you come up with it? I'm not putting it past Di to be that evil, but I highly doubt it.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Agan, how do you keep a wave upon the sand?

Do you mean I'm confusing? A riddle? I don't listen to all you say?

As for Kitanna, I don't think her defense of Mac is that suspicious. I suspect Mac, but I found also those not-entirely-joking suspicions of Rikae's odd and can understand someone else did, too. Is it not possible to defend anyone in this game without being branded a lover?

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Sally

it just struck me as odd not that the votes came that close to deadline, but that they introduced new candidates so close to deadline. Mostly it's the fact that it could have easily turned into a last-minute bandwagon and I hate those (for the most part). I'm sorry, I should have made that a bit more clear.

Honey, I still don't get the logic - I can't see how exactly introducing new voting candidates close to the deadline results in an increased possibility of a last-minute bandwagon. I think it gets pretty awful if people vote only for ones someone else has voted as well. That is what causes bandwagons, not bringing new candidates in.

About the Night's kills - it seems obvious that Lal was killed because her death gives practically no traces and because she wasn't being suspected at all. Did anyone even suspect her at any point? As for Legate, I consider it possible that the lovers thought he was a rival lover. I don't believe he was assumed to be a gifted; or at least to my eyes he did not give any gifted vibes whatsoever.

I don't know what to think about the fact that only two people died. As has been said, it's probably either only two lover teams (which would be kind of unfair) or more than two couples who accidentally picked the same victim. There is yet another possibility, which is that we have a ranger and s/he managed to protect last Night but we just weren't informed about it... which would be a bit too cruel of Di. I don't think that's the case, but I felt the need to point out the possibility.

I'll be back with more stuff.


EDIT: x-ed with Groin

[A Little Green]

Okay, I seem to have some trouble with time as I came home today around three hours leter than I had planned and my evening's timetables are now thoroughly messed up.. I don't know how much I'll be able to play still toDay, but I'll at least get here to vote and so. Sorry.

I hope to be back.

[Rikae]

Just thought I'd pop in to say I'm working on a midterm that's due tomorrow, so I won't be able to contribute much, but I am following the discussion.
Groin, go read what I already said about that post, I see no need to say anything else. *shrug*
I do find myself wondering if the fact that no one has paid any attention to my increasing number of lovers theory means I've stumbled on the truth and those who know it are afraid to tip me off, assuming I know it too - but I suppose more likely you all just think I'm loony.

EDIT: Ok, I do have something (minor) to contribute - Greenie's post looks a bit too much like a baddie hiding in the open (i.e., telling the truth about their strategy). Can't quite put my finger on it, but that's the impression I got.

[Aganzir]

Guilty

Groin. It's possible he will leave this list after posting more, but for now he's guilty. He treated Legate and me much more differently than was necessary which looked like he didn't really care what he said - what was important was to flatter someone so as to get an ally, suspect someone else.

Gollum. This guy really bothers me. On day 1 Lommy said I was jumpy (because she had misinterpreted my comment). Then Gollum comes, says he finds it hard to trust Lommy and Legate after last game, flatters Legate a bit and says I look jumpy. I asked him for reasons, but I had to ask twice before I got any response. Instead of replying to me right away, he took one sentence of mine out of context (when I complained about how Groin had treated me) and just noted my posts hadn't helped him. Of course my posts wouldn't be very helpful if people just kept ignoring them and the things I ask in them!
Reasons he found me jumpy:

You post often, make long posts, were swift to accuse and are quick to defend yourself. You're also out for lots blood and seem very excited about the game (not that blame you). That is my idea of jumpy.

Everything I had done. I still have no idea where that excited came from, and I'm still waiting for a response.
In his next post, he says:

Originally Posted by Gollum

I don't quite understand why Rikae given those two votes. Perhaps I was not paying attention.

I don't know about others, but me that "perhaps I was not paying attention" reminds of a (newbie) wolf who wants to defend someone a bit but while writing the post realises that he has a chance to start suspecting this someone who isn't on his team, so the message kind of changes on the way. For already in his next post he's suddenly slightly wary of Rikae because of her reasons not to trust Mac. And me because I'm too excited. And Lommy because she always bears watching. He thought about voting for me, but didn't have any reasons, and then changed his mind and put Lommy in the lead because "he couldn't bring himself to trust her." Funny that he had agreed on me with Lommy, and his actual reason for voting her was that he couldn't trust her because she had been a wolf in the last game. So yeah, so much for Gollum.

sally. I'll be watching her. Although Rikae or someone said rhetorical questions are a part of her style, I still find them suspicious and I can't help it. I think she overdid her suspicions on Gwath & Rikae's votes a bit. Something in the style makes it look like she intentionally tried to make them look more serious things than they really were. Because of that she planned to vote either of them, more likely Rikae, but thought Lommy was acting strangely, too. Later decided not to create a tie and voted for Lommy.
It's always hard to read sally this early in the game, but right now she doesn't sit right with me.

Fea. I just don't like it how keen she was on discussing the roles. To me it seems a waste of time, and personally I can't understand why anybody with good intents would want to do it since in lack of any certain information it's only guessing and therefore rather useless. I don't see what sense there is in having to repeat that we don't know anything. I fail to see how post #40 works as a metaphor for this game. I find it worrying that she would (even hypothetically) suggest forcing discussion about a specific, and in my opinion unnecessary, topic.
She admitted that we would not get facts from role discussion, but we might have ended up with a better idea of possibilities. But what does it matter if we have possibilities or not? Although Fea said it might have been possible to get someone to slip something, to me it looks more like trying to keep the discussion in the safe area.

Mac. Mostly for the same reasons as yesterday. His first post today (like sally's) has the air of trying to make things look bigger than they really are, though. I don't think Eomer was that bad.

Rikae. Mostly for the same reasons as yesterday. She has felt much more innocent today, though. I will try to view Mac and Rikae a bit more objectively from now on and not to get stuck in the thought that they're baddies since I realised that I suspect them almost always, regardless of my role, or theirs.

Innocent
Kitanna. Nothing alarming.
Brinn. Looks like normal innocent Brinn, at least thus far.
Shasta. Despite voting for me, I think he looks innocent and sincere.

Neither
Nogrod
Gwath
McCaber
Greenie
Eönwë
Eomer

edit: xed with two Greenies, Rikae & Brinn

[Nogrod]

Blaah, what a day... but I'm back home now and have some time to play.

I'm not quite sure I believe myself uttering these words: luckily there is only 1½ pages of posting toDay... but after I have read them I'm probably going to complain about there being too little input...


Just my first impression on the kills even if I know you guys have already worked this out in some way.

Lalaith was a good kill as she was both very-innocent looking and very sharp: so both trusted and dangerous.

Legate was a good kill because he is a vocal player whom baddies would rather not have around in the later stages of the game and who could be dangerous to thewm. With him I'd even think a look back on his relations on Day1 might be worthwhile.

The two kills kind of strengthens my belief in there being at least two competing teams here because the mentality of the team picking Legate looks pretty different from the mentality of the team picking Lalaith.

Okay. I'm into reading now but will be back after a while.