Tol-in-Gaurhoth LII: Star Crossed II: Together for Eternity

[Diamond18]

I can't tell if Mac's post contains an actual vote or not. Mac, if it is a vote, please clarify. If it isn't, I shall slap you for your formatting.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Diamond18

I can't tell if Mac's post contains an actual vote or not. Mac, if it is a vote, please clarify. If it isn't, I shall slap you for your formatting.

Ai! Sorry. No, that was no vote... it's not on the same line and the "++" is not bolded.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Ai! Sorry. No, that was no vote... it's not on the same line and the "++" is not bolded.

Hmm, I'd suggest you use asterisks or something rather next time. That confused me, too (and seemingly lots of others). The symbol of two pluses is already taken... (hey, then what about using three or such?)

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Legate

I am keeping my eye on the silent Nogrod, though. Horrible! Such an irresponsibility!

You guys keep posting such a lot that it takes time to catch you up... But I'm there now... at this minute. Just a moment...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

I really don't like this sudden rush of Rikae-votes. Aganzir's pondering to add more fuel to the waggon does not sit right with me.

Indeed. Let's lynch you instead.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

You guys keep posting such a lot that it takes time to catch you up... But I'm there now... at this minute. Just a moment...

What do you think I was trying to do all the evening

[Eönwë]

This post was about to be a vote-post, but for some reason I just had a sudden feeling that I shouldn't vote Rikae.
I'll wait and see what she has to say for herself (if it's in the next 45 minutes).

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Kitanna

I don't like her "joke" accusation toward Mac, seeing as she admitted it wasn't necessarily an entire joke.

It is perfectly normal for her to mix seriousness with joking. Even though I was at the receiving end of this suspicion, I really didn't see it suspicious in turn at all.

I really don't like this sudden rush of Rikae-votes. Aganzir's pondering to add more fuel to the waggon does not sit right with me.

[Macalaure]

I'm not comfortable with the general focus of suspicions at the moment (almost exclusively me, Rikae, Aganzir, and Lommy). Too many people got by without anybody noticing. Please, have a closer look at things each of you. There's an incredible number of submarines right now.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

I'm not comfortable with the general focus of suspicions at the moment (almost exclusively me, Rikae, Aganzir, and Lommy). Too many people got by without anybody noticing. Please, have a closer look at things each of you. There's an incredible number of submarines right now.

Okay, point taken. I am going to re-evaluate everything, though still, of course people are voting for those for whom they have most grounds... or who are easy to lynch by starting/jumping on a bandwaggon (like we just saw...)

[Gollum the Great]

I don't quite understand why Rikae given those two votes. Perhaps I was not paying attention. I cannot think of anyone who would bear a great deal of watching at the present; we have so little evidence to build suspicions off of.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

I really don't like this sudden rush of Rikae-votes. Aganzir's pondering to add more fuel to the waggon does not sit right with me.

This comment of Mac's doesn't sit right with me and makes me more inclined to vote for him instead. It's wolfish.
However, you can see my points against Rikae (added to a general bad feeling) in some earlier post I won't bother to find for you myself now.

Originally Posted by Gollum the Great

I don't quite understand why Rikae given those two votes. Perhaps I was not paying attention. I cannot think of anyone who would bear a great deal of watching at the present; we have so little evidence to build suspicions off of.

I don't know about Eomer but at least in my opinion Kitanna had valid reasons.

As for submarines, have we all Europeans forgotten that only a bit more than a half of the first day has passed? They have well time to appear although most of us might not be around then.

edit: xed with Legate, Eönwë & Greenie

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

As for submarines, have we all Europeans forgotten that only a bit more than a half of the first day has passed? They have well time to appear although most of us might not be around then.

Yes, I'm used to being in the second half of the game, once all the main stuff of the day has happened and I'm reading over it. It seems strange now that I'm only in the first half.

[Lalaith]

Having read over the thread, here are some thoughts on the lot of youse.
First, the ones that I'm feeling ok with...
Nogrod seems quite calm and sensible.
Mac has made some good points too.
Brinniel asks a lot of questions but they are questions I'd pondered too, so I'm not terribly worried about her right now.
Eomer is nonchalant, his points are sensible and he seems ok for now...
Then the don't knows.
Gollum, no idea. Never played with him, of course.
Kitanna and Little Green...both have voted, but strangely that's not helping me get an idea of them.
Lommy, Fea and Rikae - well, I'd always be watching you girls closely... the most suspicious of you three right now, to me, is Fea.

Then there's the no-shows - McCaber, Shasta and Gwath. I think its best to leave them for now, they can die with their lovers, if they are guilty.

So, on to the ones I am finding most suspicious right now.

Legate is just being weird.

There's a group of semi-participants that I'm feeling uncomfortable about: Groin, Sally and Eonwe. Groin gives a kind of semi-analysis of a handful of players, leaving lots of people out...Sally is giving an impression of being cheerful and breezy but doesn't have the sincerity of innocence, and Eonwe's ingenue act is not quite sincere either.

And as for Aganzir's hyperactivity...could be due to a number of reasons. One thing I wondered is the mention of a Basilisk in Di's old rules post. Is Agan trying to get dreamed of, or lynched, for some nefarious purpose of her own?

My real problem is that usually I go by helpfulness as a way of distinguishing innnocence but in this game the baddies will all be very helpful, catching rival baddies. Sigh.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Agan

As for submarines, have we all Europeans forgotten that only a bit more than a half of the first day has passed? They have well time to appear although most of us might not be around then.

Alas, so true.

There was one thing I forgot to mention in my last post. About Lommy's list, then. I'm too lazy to look for it again, but I noticed that at almost every single point there was some kind of "seems a bit suspicious because of xxxxx, but then feels quite OK and it's silly to draw conclusions at this phase". I know we can't be sure of anything at this phase, but the way she has to emphasise it so often in order to sort of soften her points seems a bit exaggerated.

I'll vote soon because I want to go to sleep. No idea who to vote, though. I will definitely not vote Rikae - I don't find her particularly suspicious and besides I don't like it when there is but one person who is being voted. It's nothing to encourage discussion other than "Oh my, a bandwaggon!" and is the perfect spot for baddies to slip away unnoticed.


EDIT: x-ed withNoggins and Eönwë

[A Little Green]

Bah, I'll just vote now.

++ Groin

No proper suspicion as I have that on no one - this is based almost entirely on gut-feeling. He has been one of the least innocentish toDay and I don't quite like the tone of some things he has said.

ToMorrow I'll have an eye on at least Lommy and, well, just about everyone.

Good night darlings.


EDIT: x-ed with Fea and Legate

[Nogrod]

In the earlier game there were four independent pairs of lovers (werecats, werebirds etc...). In one game - possibly it was the Hoy Brasil - there were wolves as normal but they all had secret lovers behind the others' backs (so in the end all the wolves were playing for themselves even if they posed as friends to each other).

We have a host of possibilities then.

But one thing we should remember is that whatever the case this is a lovers game and in those two are always interconnected. So more than normal, the lovers will defend each other if it looks like it the other one is going to get lynched.

So far I have seen Kitanna defend Mac twice. Mac has been under pressure and Kitanna has really not stated any more elaborated reasons for her backing of him.

Other defendings have been more vague up till now, but I need to look at it again.

And I have some other suggestions as well but I'll post this first not to write a novel out of this first one.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

This comment of Mac's doesn't sit right with me and makes me more inclined to vote for him instead. It's wolfish.
However, you can see my points against Rikae (added to a general bad feeling) in some earlier post I won't bother to find for you myself now.

Unnecessarily getting yourself provoked, I'd think... though of course nothing against your intentions to vote Mac.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

So far I have seen Kitanna defend Mac twice. Mac has been under pressure and Kitanna has really not stated any more elaborated reasons for her backing of him.

Okay, now I will once again sound like repeating something, but I have thought of that too. I was not only sure if it is not just me making up things. Apparently I am not the only one to whom that idea occured: that Kitanna's choice to go after Rikae (and to vote her, especially timed so, when the option to vote either Rikae or Mac was hanging in the air for some people) and her comments about Mac seeming innocent which are not bringing him into that much spotlight but defending him still, can be more than just sideway comments. One more reason to lynch Mac, to find out if she by chance does not die, too... (now I must be sounding rather nasty, but that's the way it goes.)

EDIT: x-ed since the Nog I quoted

[Nogrod]

Okay from the beginning onwards then...

Sally looks from the beginning a bit too, how should one call it, up to the real thing? I mean maybe I'm just a paranoid but this really made me worried as Sally's second post - after a comforting nonsense-babble of her first post:

Originally Posted by Sally

I'm fairly optimistic about toDay actually. Like a couple others have said, our chances of finding a baddie aren't too shabby. And two for the price of one always makes me happy.

The problem is that once night hits a big chunk of this village is going the way of the dodo, so we best hope to indeed get baddie(s) today so they can't kill off so many in the Night.

I mean all of this is right and straight. But it's Sally saying this! Somehow the general attitude looks like it betrays Sally is not her normal self but tries something she isn't.


Also I'm a bit weary of Fea as well. Not because she brings up the rule-discussion but because she acts like a helpful and reasonable villager. Now to my experience she likes to toy around when she has nothing more interesting to do to keep her interested in the game. Now she has been ashtonishingly active for her on Day1 and soo sensible! It just cries evil to me. My only doubt is would she be that readable and is it only a change of tactics?


And to add my two cents to the discussion about the relative profit of voting the quiet ones / submarines toDay. I'm absolutely for it!

Normally we always risk just getting our numbers down by one but in this one we have a chance of bringing down the real player (however the roles are spread between them) who's tied with the submarine if we hit.

Okay. Need to take a short break. Back soon...


EDIT: X'd from my last one onwards...

[Macalaure]

I just skimmed the entire thread again to find the post in which Legate gives his reasons to suspect me as strongly as he does. I did not find it. Would you help me out, Legate? Either I completely overlooked it (I really hope I didn't - that'd be embarrassing), or I finally have a valid reason to suspect you.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

My only doubt is would she be that readable and is it only a change of tactics?

A couple responses to this: the last few games I've played in, I've been absolutely swamped with school work and the deadlines were at absolutely horrid times for me. In this game, I'm awake for all but a couple hours of the day. I mean, I'm asleep for the first few hours and maybe for the last one or two, but the midsection? For the first time in ages, game time occurs when I'm wide awake and not busy. Also, midterms have passed and I'm in the lazy spot before finals become a legitimate concern. I've literally finished all the reading homework assigned for the rest of the semester for one of my classes, I'm for once that far ahead. My term paper for another class? Practically written already. I seriously have nothing better to do.

I was also cracked out on caffeine for most of today, thus leading me to not only post a lot but to start a new painting, write a story, do reading homework, clean and organize my room--

Yeah. Anyway. Caffeine + good deadline - scary schoolwork = more involved player.

Besides- I'm fascinated by Di's manipulation of us all. It reminds me of a game I'd mod. And we all know I'm interested in myself more than I'm interested in most others...

[Nogrod]

Just adding to my comments about Fea in light of her latest one...

First I thought it looked liked her becoming more to her normal self but then this last one kind of caught my eye:

Originally Posted by Fea

Sorry, stupid question: Lovers know each others' identities, right? They're not fumbling in the dark hoping they don't accidentally kill their counterpart?

She has played if not more games than I have but definitively she's been around for a longer period. But I've played a quite a few games myself as well, also with lovers, but I don't recall a game were the lovers would be blind to each other (I may be wrong though and wish to be corrected in that case). And if - and when - I'm right I'm just wondering what was that remark of Fea for as she should know it? To give the impression she is not one of any of the pairs because of her total ignorance over the basic rule? Somehow I can't bring myself to fully support even that conclusion... at least yet.

Of course Di said we will not know how the dynamics of the game will work and that is true. She might have come up with an idea about blind lovers... or then my memory or experience have just failed me.

EDIT: X'd from Fea onwards. Good to hear what you say about your energies!

[Thinlómien]

Okay, maybe I'm paranoidly self-centered, but I don't like Mac's suspicion of me because it seems so... easy. He often suspects me, and he's generally been quite good at reading me. This time, he jumps on me all too easily. It looks like an evil Mac who has found a good culprit - someone he often suspects (won't raise eyebrows) and someone he is reputedly rather good at reading (might persuade people to agree with him).

There have been interesting points against Groin and Kitanna. I'm inclined to agree but I'd rather reread and see for myself. The only problem is that it's rather late here...

I find it fascinating that first there's this wave of votes and suspicion against Rikae, and then there comes a huge wave of defending her. Makes me raise my eyebrows.

Originally Posted by Mac

I'm not comfortable with the general focus of suspicions at the moment (almost exclusively me, Rikae, Aganzir, and Lommy). Too many people got by without anybody noticing. Please, have a closer look at things each of you. There's an incredible number of submarines right now.

Ooh Mac says something I totally agree with!

Originally Posted by Greenie

Let's see... How about electromagnetic wave equations?

Wikipedia says: "The electromagnetic wave equation is a second-order partial differential equation that describes the propagation of electromagnetic waves through a medium or in a vacuum." and I can support this view 100%.

I'm entertaining myself with the thought of Mac and Agan being lovers...

Lastly, I don't like the fact that I suspect Mac and Rikae probably the most at the moment. I haven't played with them for ages and I love playing with them so I don't really want to see them go early... *grumblegrumblegrumble*


edit: xed with Agan's #125 and everything after that...

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

So far I have seen Kitanna defend Mac twice. Mac has been under pressure and Kitanna has really not stated any more elaborated reasons for her backing of him.

I haven't read a whole lot, just got home, but I saw this and thought I'd respond while I still have a chance. I just don't feel Mac is all that suspicious. I didn't see anything in his posts that pointed to him being a werelover, though depending on what has happened in the posts since I was on last could shift my opinion.