Werewolf XLVIII: When Virtual Becomes Reality

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

The Shasta/Eomer show. I like it.

1. In regards to the EW bandwagon, I somehow doubt "loads" of people thought he was bad. I think a few misguided innocents started it, then maybe a wolf or two jumped on, and the rest was a mix of maybe another wolf and a couple of "oh well" votes.

2. Five posts over the course of 96 hours is lying low, I agree with you there, but in his last two posts EW clearly stated he didn't have time to elaborate on his votes. And no one is ever especially active on Day 1 in most cases.

3. How you would act as a wolf, if you were one, makes no never mind in this case because you do not, can not have proof. How can we know you are what you say you are and how you would act if you aren't what you say you aren't? (I'm sorry, I know this particular point is muddled, but it's quite early for me.) And putting such emphasis on your past performances as a wolf leads me to the obvious conclusion that you're relying on that because you've drastically changed your wolf-style and are trying to make people think you haven't.

I think I shall go to bed now, it's five in the morning for me.

Stay tuned for another episode of the "Shasta/Eomer show", folks!

Edit: X'd with Boro, who doesn't like our regularly scheduled programming.

Actually, Shasta, that may be the end of the show, because there's nothing really interesting I need to respond with here. Your case against me is too weak. But looky looky at what I found about Nerwen!

You liked her. Yes, you did. All childish taunting aside, you were defending her when a couple of villagers were strongly on her trail. She also gave you a tiny bit of interaction, rolling you one of these -- -- when you said you disagreed with her Agan/Nilp/Form idea. ''Look everyone, we're not allies, honest!''

Immediate thoughts from list:

Innocent

Aganzir
Boromir
Rikae
Eonwe
Kitanna

Dodgy

Shasta
Nogrod
Nilp

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Eomer

Elf Warrior was adding too little, and what he did add came with no insight or thoughts. I find such behaviour suspicious. I don't see what the big deal is here.

Shasta seems utterly against Eomer on his assurance of EW's guilt based upon what to me looks like the above theory. I know yesterday at least Rikae was following the same sort thing, calling EW "dead weight" at one point. So, why attack Eomer about it, Shasta?

Originally Posted by Eomer

And I'm implying that you are a Wolf, eager to make himself look good by making a lot of other people look bad. We got it wrong, but at the time a number of us thought EW was guilty. I also noted that you found me suspicious yesterday and have found another reason to criticise me.

Could it be Eomer's vehement defense of himself?

I see what Eomer is saying about his belief that EW was up to mischief, hacker or spammer-wise, but this Shasta and Eomer back and forth is interesting to say the least. They both make good points against one another, but neither is really smelling like roses at this moment. And now I find Eomer slightly stranger looking because of all this. Simply because of my, as he called it, colorful WW past with him.

Originally Posted by Eomer

All I'm saying is that if I was a wolf, I'd be gentler in my public dealings. I am not trying to convince you -- that would be futile -- but perhaps some other folk in the village remember me as a colder, more dismissive wolf, rather than the loud, fight-seeking chap I'm showing myself to be here today.

I lack experience with an innocent Eomer, so maybe he speaks the truth. But even the best wolf will occasionally want to change up his game to throw off the village. A wolf in sheep's clothing so to speak. But there are plenty of hours left in the day and I'm interested to see what both Shasta and Eomer have to say, though maybe not about each other.

In any case obviously Nerwen needs to have her posts looked at. I plan to look at Eonwe voters still and if I'm feeling especially Nancy Drewish I'll take a gander at EW voters. For today I actually don't have work so I am free to actually make more in depth posts.

[Kitanna]

Nerwen
Post # 6:
Nothing much IC.
Post # 12:
A joking accusation of EW. Some fangurl gibberish about the movies. Again nothing much to go on.
Post # 14:
More rubbish, this time about cannons as opposed to canon.
Post # 19:
Responds to my joking accusation of Boro as a hacker. Calls Boro a hacker. States Harry Potter sucks or sux as she put it.
Post # 24:

ppl who do lots of loNg posts sayng nUthing & then maek liSts taht dont maek sence r up 2 sumthing IMHO.

This is what set me off about Nerwen because she said long lists don't make sense and those who make them are up to something. Yet she was making frequent short posts that meant almost nothing. A habit she kept up until she had to drop out.
Post # 30:

if ppl th1nk oth3r ppl R evul they should say Y.

1f they dont it looks liek their hiding beh1nd th3ir r0les.

And again that's what she was doing, hiding behind her role as rabid fangurl.
Post # 31:
IC making fun of Eomer. Commenting on his ability to looking into her soul.
Post # 34:
Responding to Nilp's IC remarks about her listening to Melkor and Mandos saying she was innocent.
Post # 37:
A little bit of something, finally. Mostly believes Eonwe, Sally, myself, and to a degree Durelin are just IC with our first votes. Though she is wary of Durelin, not sure what set her apart. Probably IC rubbish on Nerwen's part. Does cast some suspicion on Nogrod. Also says Nilp and Form argued a lot without saying anything.
Post # 38:
IC rubbish.
Post # 43:
Switching to normal speak. Asks Nilp to elaborate his list.
Post # 49:
Casts suspicion onto Sixth for his remark about lynching her. Also brings about the first about the "Agan/Nilp/Form brawl".
Post # 99:
Just letting everyone know she's back. Half IC chatspeak.
Post # 107:
Answers a question from Agan about the Agan/Nilp/Form brawl statement. Looks at Eomer and Eonwe for casting a vote for Mith who cast a vote for sally who cast a vote for Sixth. Didn't find Mith suspicious, but didn't say whether or not she found Eonwe or Eomer suspicious either.
Post # 113:
Defends self and Agan/Nilp/Form brawl theory.
Post # 118:
Votes Eonwe. Stating he's the most suspicious. Partly self-preservation, but hadn't really cast much his way before this vote. Just a brief mention alongside Eomer.
Post # 129:
Asked if she could still talk after deadline.
Post # 136:
Makes a "ranger is unappreciated" statement.
Post # 147:
Again clarifying Agan/Nilp/Form brawl theory. Gives her reasons as to why. Clarifies cobbler role.
Post # 152:
Return to IC rubbish because she's bored.
Post # 160:

Maybe I'm prejudiced here, Aganzir, but your activity yesterDay gives me a nasty impression of shopping around for someone to lynch.

On the other hand, at least you didn't vote "at random" or giving IC reasons, unlike some people I could mention.

On Day 1 she had made a remark regarding people not saying why they suspected others and yet she does something like that here. Deliberately not pointing out those she disapproved of because of random/IC voting. Also puts some suspicions on Agan.
Post # 165:
Responds to Boro. Lists those random/IC voters. They consist of Eonwe, Form, Kath, and EW. Says Eonwe was just picking up on what someone else said (most probably Eomer). Calls Form pre-defensive because of his early vote and his defense of self. Says Kath didn't even try to explain her vote, which is true. Says the same of EW.
Post # 166:
Claims Agan was trying to get Sixth and herself lynched. It's pretty much a post responding to Agan or Aganwolf as she refers to her in one post.
Post # 174:
Responds to my vote, asks some questions I didn't have a chance to answer. Responds to something Rikae asked in regards to Eonwe.
Post # 175:
Brought up this is EW's third game. Though that doesn't necessarily have any bearing. Says he could be a newbie wolf, but suggests he may be the cobbler.
Post # 206:
Announces presence and that she's reading through the thread.
Post # 219:
Doesn't following my vote reasoning. But is willing to let Agan slide though she had suspected her quite heavily earlier in the Day. Believes EW is guilty.
Post # 277:
Asks about the deadline.
Post # 234:
Votes EW.
Post # 236:
Reminds us there are those who haven't voted.
Post # 243:

I prefer "loquacious" myself.

Final post.

So what can we gather from Nerwen's posts? She spoke often, saying little. Though she did cast suspicion on both lynching victims, she only voted for one (EW), but that was when it didn't look like that's where she was headed. She makes connection to many, but not strong enough to prove anything. Boro and Agan are the two she comes right out and calls wolves. Boro in jest, Agan in defense of herself.
Theories
1) Agan is a fellow wolf. Nerwen suspected her just enough so that if one was lynched the other may look good by comparison. If that makes sense. There's a connection on Nerwen's part, but not a strong one. It'd be a very bold move for both of them to suspect each so much and then vote elsewhere.
2) Agan is not a fellow wolf. Up to mischief maybe, but not a wolf. Nerwen calls her a wolf and seems to be inclined to vote for Agan. Yet when I put in my reasons and vote she backs off and votes for EW.
3) She had a wolf connection with Nilp or Form the remaining two in her Agan/Nilp/Form brawl theory. It would be a nice little connection to a fellow wolf to cast some theory on them on Day 1, but not really act on it.
4) Eonwe is a fellow wolf. She voted him Day 1 and found him suspicious Day 2. Like Agan she seemed more inclined to vote for Eonwe again than EW, but still she voted EW in the end.

Those were just some theories I thought up while reading Nerwen's posts. I think theories 2 and 3 are probably the most plausible. For the most part I think in her voting and actions Nerwen was trying to make certain people look bad to leave a trail toward an innocent in the case of her death. If that is the case, than I am inclined to believe Agan is innocent of wolvery. Cobbler, maybe, but based on Nerwen's posts and connection with Agan I'd say they were sloppy wolves indeed to play so boldly so early.

[Nogrod]

Back again!

Just a few comments to begin with.

Now some people have asked the question why Kath was killed and it seems there is an agreement that the kill left no trails. I'd like to add one more perspective to the question. The wolves missed their kill on the first Night of the game so whoever it was they were trying to kill that Night would have been 100% proof kill last Night. So did they go for Kath already on that first Night or did they have "a better idea"? The ranger knows it but should of course remain silent about it for the time being. But s/he should think about the meaning of that.

Secondly. I'm most unhappy about yesterDay's voting. Even if I consider Eomer to be more innocent than hairy I do share Shasta's attitude towards the lynching. They (Eönwë and EW) were too "suspicious" to be wolves, really. I said it already yesterDay and I say it now once again. So now we have two large bandwagons searching the real culprits from is just painful. But I'll try to do something to that end the next.

Also it would be helpful if someone had time to see who remained silent about Nerwen when she was the talk of the town. That might shed some light indeed.