Werewolf XLVIII: When Virtual Becomes Reality

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

I dislike disrespecting the dead, but EW's posts were so remarkably unhelpful that he was practically asking the village to lynch him.

Sorry, can't sleep, so I figured I'd have a go at this.


I have a big problem with this way of thinking. "So and so isn't being helpful, so let's kill him" is a baseless argument. Granted, by the time I voted there were three candidates and I didn't want to kill either of the others, hence why I voted why I did, but even I don't see the reasoning behind it (do with that what you will, it's the truth. I even said when I voted that I was picking the lesser of three evils)
Just because a person isn't posting much or isn't being helpful doesn't mean they're evil. That's along the same logic as "Donna posted tenth and the tenth post is always made by a wolf" or "Jackie didn't vote until David did both days so she must be following instructions from him". I just don't see the logic. (Granted, there are quiet wolves, but being only Day 2 it seems rather strange to accuse a person of unhelpfulness and lynch them for it. Again, being a bit of a hypocrite but as I said, I did what I thought best at the time.)
So the moral of the story is if you want to suggest lynching someone, fine, but find a better reason to do it than that they are not being as helpful as you'd like. Sorry if it's a bit blunt, but....erm, it's 3am, so bear with me.



Also, please do explain the post I quoted above. I realize I'm probably just stupid, but I'd appreciate it if you'd rephrase it so I don't misunderstand what you're talking about. Thanks in advance.


EDIT: Ignore my second example (regarding such people as Jackie and David). My brain frazzled in the middle of it and I actually put something that made sense. Obviously I'm leaving it in, but mostly so you all can laugh at my ineptness.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I have a big problem with this way of thinking. "So and so isn't being helpful, so let's kill him" is a baseless argument. Granted, by the time I voted there were three candidates and I didn't want to kill either of the others, hence why I voted why I did, but even I don't see the reasoning behind it (do with that what you will, it's the truth. I even said when I voted that I was picking the lesser of three evils)
Just because a person isn't posting much or isn't being helpful doesn't mean they're evil. That's along the same logic as "Donna posted tenth and the tenth post is always made by a wolf" or "Jackie didn't vote until David did both days so she must be following instructions from him". I just don't see the logic. (Granted, there are quiet wolves, but being only Day 2 it seems rather strange to accuse a person of unhelpfulness and lynch them for it. Again, being a bit of a hypocrite but as I said, I did what I thought best at the time.)
So the moral of the story is if you want to suggest lynching someone, fine, but find a better reason to do it than that they are not being as helpful as you'd like. Sorry if it's a bit blunt, but....erm, it's 3am, so bear with me.



Also, please do explain the post I quoted above.


EDIT: Ignore my second example (regarding such people as Jackie and David). My brain frazzled in the middle of it and I actually put something that made sense. Obviously I'm leaving it in, but mostly so you all can laugh at my ineptness.

Yeah, I really think your analogies don't work.

Elf Warrior was adding too little, and what he did add came with no insight or thoughts. I find such behaviour suspicious. I don't see what the big deal is here.

As to my post earlier which you claim not to understand, it basically amounts to this:

1. I suspected Mithalwen. Ranger stopped kill.

2. I thought I might have been targetted, due to Mithalwen's being wolvish and thinking I'm seer. Kept saying I was suspicious of Mith.

3. Did not get attacked, so wolves don't think I'm a big threat. Mithalwen probably innocent.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Yeah, I really think your analogies don't work.

Elf Warrior was adding too little, and what he did add came with no insight or thoughts. I find such behaviour suspicious. I don't see what the big deal is here.

As to my post earlier which you claim not to understand, it basically amounts to this:

1. I suspected Mithalwen. Ranger stopped kill.

2. I thought I might have been targetted, due to Mithalwen's being wolvish and thinking I'm seer. Kept saying I was suspicious of Mith.

3. Did not get attacked, so wolves don't think I'm a big threat. Mithalwen probably innocent.

Heh. Indeed they don't.

Okay, that makes a bit more sense. Like I said, a bit tired, and it looked as if you were saying that....well, it doesn't matter now, I've figured it out. Thanks for clarifying. (P.S. It's not that I claim to not understand it. Heh, I really didn't. Hey, I warned you I'm a bit slow on the uptake didn't I? )

And on that note, I am really going to bed. I swear. Probably be back in *weeps* five hours or so. Night (again) everyone!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Eomer

And I'm implying that you are a Wolf, eager to make himself look good by making a lot of other people look bad. We got it wrong, but at the time a number of us thought EW was guilty. I also noted that you found me suspicious yesterday and have found another reason to criticise me.

Isn't it a common wolf tactic to try and redirect suspicion onto the person suspecting you?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Isn't it a common wolf tactic to try and redirect suspicion onto the person suspecting you?

I'm all-too-aware of this, that's why I'd be going far softer on you were I a wolf. My innocence gives me a freedom I'm not used to. I'm not at all concerned about being lynched, and as long as I'm battling in public the wolves should leave me alive.

[Boromir88]

It seems like too much talk is being put on Kath (and now a Shasta and Eomer spat). Eomer, we do have leads now to follow...Nerwen. And we shouldn't just do a 180 because your trap didn't work.

I find it apalling that really only Agan and Nilp have mentioned Nerwen and who can possibly be her partners. Sally and Form (I think) have mentioned her in passing, but didn't name any possible connections. The wolves left us with no leads regarding their kill, but we definitely have leads now that one wolf is dead.

Go with me on this, if you will. I don't think the odds of us finding the flipped wolf are going to be very high, so let's not ignore it, but also not make it our top priority.~sally

I was about to jump all over your for this, until I read it through again and caught the "lets not ignore it" bit. I agree, we can spot the flipped wolf, and this definitely changes the whole dynamics of the game. Now people that I strongly felt were innocent (Eomer, Eonwe, Agan) could suddenly be the one who changed sides overnight. Spotting a flip is possible, but I agree it definitely shouldn't be our priority.

Our priority has to be looking through Nerwen's posts, and finding out any leads to go on. I'll have to leave by saying that, and will be back before the deadline. Look through Nerwen's posts.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Ja, ja, Boro. I was about to but got distracted.
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Nerwen brings up the so-called Aganzir/Nilp/Formendacil ‘’brawl’’. Bit dangerous to try to direct people onto fellow wolves like this. Some people actually find such patterns intriguing.

Definitely not Aganzir.

Kitanna votes Nerwen. Would she do that?

Rikae votes Nerwen. Would she do that?

Nerwen votes Eonwe. Unnecessary, I think.

Nogrod defends Nerwen.

Nilp accepts Kit’s reason but not Rikae’s for voting Nerwen. Sort of defends Nerwen.

Shasta ‘likes’Nerwen. (Ref. 144) Says she’s ‘not suspicious’. Nerwen also rolls eyes at Shasta for reminding her of that whole Agan/Nilp/Form thing at the start.

Aganzir’s Nerwen/Nilp stuff is interesting.

Boromir is not buying anything Nerwen says.

Nogrod trusts Nerwen.

Eomer trusts Nerwen a bit more after thinking her a wolf Day 1.

Nogrod’s not saying Nerwen’s innocent, mind you.

Boromir and Aganzir pretty convinced of Nerwen’s guilt.

Sally maybe a little bit suspicious of Nerwen.

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That's what I found interesting. Loads of stuff.