Werewolf XLVIII: When Virtual Becomes Reality

[Kitanna]

I only have a little bit to post before bed. That leaves me time to skim and attempt to grasp a little bit of the end of Day2.

So judging by the voting record and what little I saw, EW was dropped (in some people's opinions) as dead weight. Rikae's vote doesn't come as much of a surprise, neither does Eonwe's (self-preservation and all, it appeared they were tied at the time). Of course this is really only what I've gathered from about twenty minutes of speed reading. I will be on soon after I wake up to do something more in depth. Perhaps I'll see what I can about those who voted for Eonwe seeing as only myself and Nogrod voted outside EW and Eonwe.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

You have to pardon my Philosophy Major/English Minor tendency that comes forward here, Agan

You are pardoned.

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

Then why vote for him at the end of the DAY when he was sure to be lynched? Why didn't you join Nogrod in a token vote for . . . someone you actually suspect? This almost-casual throwing of votes does not innocent feel.

Why should I have? My vote would have been a throwaway regardless of who I voted. And if I had voted for Nerwen, you would now be accusing me of trying to avoid the EW bandwagon in order not to look plain wolfish. Tsk tsk, come up with a better case.

Originally Posted by Nilp

Washing your hands, does not, again, innocent feel.

Explain how I am washing my hands. I am guilty of not finding him a likely wolf but wanting him dead anyway, and at least I haven't noticed I should be trying to wriggle out of it.

Originally Posted by Nilp

Surely if you had been serious in your accusation you would have done much better in trying to get her lynched?

I was so confident about her guilt that I thought it would be easy to get her lynched any day, whereas non-posters are not easy to lynch later on when lynches to waste are growing scarce.

++ Nilpaurion Felagund

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I've been up to something but I fear that, if my initial suspicions were accurate, I have spoiled the plan a bit. I hope that's not the case.

I said Mithalwen is suspicious on Day 1. Night 2's attack was hidden from us. I thought it might have been directed at me, so I had to keep up the anti-Mithalwen sentiment on Day 2. Lo and behold, I'm not attacked. They don't think I'm the seer, and Mithalwen is innocent.

Only... I spoiled it yesterday by saying that I trusted Nerwen more. On Day 1 I said Nerwen was one of the wolves. The wolves could assume I wanted to dream about Nerwen, and me trusting her more indicates that I'm no seer but just got lucky with my Mithalwen vote.

But maybe they thought I dreamt of Eonwe, my other wolf....

And there's a new wolf today!

Well, as it stands, I'm not that suspicious of Mithalwen any more.

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I was surprised to find that the Elf Warrior was an ordo. He seemed so obviously bad.

As to the Kath kill, because she had no suspicions whatsoever, it leads me to perhaps believe that not a single person in the village is right about anything! No-one is going after a wolf, so obviously no seer has dreamt of a wolf. What does this tell us? I'll post again in a few minutes.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

It tells us to think before you post. Stupid, half-baked idea. Forget it. I'll look through what different kill-choices entail.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Kill Nilp: 2 votes for Eonwe. Obvious lead.
Kill Kitanna: Votes Aganzir Day 2. Lead.
Kill Mithalwen: Voted EW. Slight lead to Sally?
Kill Ka: Votes Rikae then Eonwe: Slight leads.
Kill Form: Voted EW. Slight lead to Nogrod?
Kill Eomer: Obvious lead to Mith.
Kill Shasta: Eonwe lead.
Kill Eonwe: Voted EW. Slight lead to Mithalwen.
Kill Rikae: Voted Nerwen then EW. No lead.
Kill sally: Voted Sixth and EW. No lead.
Kill Boromir: Voted Sixth and EW. No lead.
Kill Aganzir: Voted Sixth and EW. No lead.
Kill Nogrod: Lead to Kitanna.

The wolves killed Kath, and not because they thought she was the seer. They chose to give the village absolutely no leads. Why not kill, say Eomer, and set-up Mithalwen?

Eonwe doesn’t need setting up; he is under much suspicion already, and will remain that way for the rest of the game, probably. But Mith could be set up beautifully, and Kitanna and Aganzir too. (Nogrod and Sally slightly, but more dubiously.)

Sorry Mith, you’re damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Sorry Mith, you’re damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

Story of my life in so many ways.... but Eomer I think (and with a only too acute sense of irony) that you may be taking this too personally. You may have to consider that the game isn't revolving around you.

I don't know why people are suprised about Kath being killed. She made few posts but she is a very good player, the wolves may have thought it worth getting her out of the way before she could get more active.

Also if she was the ranger save then the wolves, as Nilp points out, having been foiled may have wanted a certain kill. Eomer's kill list doesn't factor in our very talented ranger. I can't remember a game where a ranger got it right first time. And in this game there was even a possibility that Kath was the ranger.

I hope to be around a bit longer but real life factors are conspiring against me - see admin thread.

[Mithalwen]

Oh I see, yet another day when Mith rambles away to herself like the crazywoman she is and then no doubt you all emerge the second I am gone. Well I shall give it about half an hour and then shall ramble a bit more, vote and leave ...

[Durelin]

Alright, some conclusions from my ramblings:

Vaguely in order of suspicion (vaguely because I am incredibly indecisive):

Shasta
Mith
Sally
Eomer
Nogrod

Aganzir makes good points about Nilp I guess, but I'm just not feeling it.

I really like Shasta right now, with his arguing of principles and such, which is why I think he might well be a wolf.

Mith and Sally feel slippery. It seems like they're trying to be...nice.

Eomer bothers me. He's channeling phantom-ness.

It just seems so right for Nogrod to be a wolf right now.

Sally - Eonwe seems cheesy...he seems to me like he's trying too hard to be surprised at things, to be interested in things, to look like he's doing something...you know, bad acting.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

A few words before voting:

• Love the SAVE, Durelin.
  
  
• Made you look, implies sally's sig.
  
  
• Shasta has an avatar now!
  
  
• Speaking of Shasta, the Shasta/Eomer show feels a bit staged to me. Hmmm . . .
  
  
• Enedwaith, cuz:

  I'm not constructing a logical argument to demonstrate my innocence. All I'm saying is that if I was a wolf, I'd be gentler in my public dealings. I am not trying to convince you -- that would be futile -- but perhaps some other folk in the village remember me as a colder, more dismissive wolf, rather than the loud, fight-seeking chap I'm showing myself to be here today. It's not general; it's particular to me. Frankly, I don't care if anyone buys it; I'm not hiding my thoughts, and it's way less pressure to play as an innocent. (Eomer)

  Actually, the best I can remember of your wolvish behaviour is attacking spawn, calling her a liar, me getting vengeance, and a bloody Saucepan victory. So, sorry, you can't really tell us how you'd act as a Wolf.
  
  
• Judging from Nerwen's voting, I'd say Eönwë's innocent, too. Gah.

Augh, my brain is still dead and dry. I find no-one really suspicious, and I'm tempted just to vote for the least-suspicious-seeming person cos I feel I've been barking up the wrong trees . . .

All I can say is I don't buy assuming people innocent just because they thought Nerwen suspicious . . . you can say all you want about someone, but it all comes down to voting, whether you really want the person you suspect lynched or not. Boromir and Aganzir, as I've said before, did not follow through their suspicion by voting.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

I've been up to something but I fear that, if my initial suspicions were accurate, I have spoiled the plan a bit. I hope that's not the case.

I said Mithalwen is suspicious on Day 1. Night 2's attack was hidden from us. I thought it might have been directed at me, so I had to keep up the anti-Mithalwen sentiment on Day 2. Lo and behold, I'm not attacked. They don't think I'm the seer, and Mithalwen is innocent.

Only... I spoiled it yesterday by saying that I trusted Nerwen more. On Day 1 I said Nerwen was one of the wolves. The wolves could assume I wanted to dream about Nerwen, and me trusting her more indicates that I'm no seer but just got lucky with my Mithalwen vote.

But maybe they thought I dreamt of Eonwe, my other wolf....

And there's a new wolf today!

Well, as it stands, I'm not that suspicious of Mithalwen any more.

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I was surprised to find that the Elf Warrior was an ordo. He seemed so obviously bad.

As to the Kath kill, because she had no suspicions whatsoever, it leads me to perhaps believe that not a single person in the village is right about anything! No-one is going after a wolf, so obviously no seer has dreamt of a wolf. What does this tell us? I'll post again in a few minutes.

Bwah??????????? *rereads* Blah, it still is weird. Eomer, what the devil are you talking about, mate? *hobbles away and vows to reread this post in the morning when her faculties are about her*

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Eomer

I was surprised to find that the Elf Warrior was an ordo. He seemed so obviously bad.

Well aren't we perceptive, considering that EW made exactly 5 posts in this topic; two of them banter, two of them votes, and the last making a note of his gender. Clearly, pure evil right there.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Well aren't we perceptive, considering that EW made exactly 5 posts in this topic; two of them banter, two of them votes, and the last making a note of his gender. Clearly, pure evil right there.

I dislike disrespecting the dead, but EW's posts were so remarkably unhelpful that he was practically asking the village to lynch him.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

I dislike disrespecting the dead, but EW's posts were so remarkably unhelpful that he was practically asking the village to lynch him.

Which is something a wolf would obviously NOT do, so...

I'm sorry, I still fail to see the logic behind this.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

I dislike disrespecting the dead, but EW's posts were so remarkably unhelpful that he was practically asking the village to lynch him.

Sorry, can't sleep, so I figured I'd have a go at this.


I have a big problem with this way of thinking. "So and so isn't being helpful, so let's kill him" is a baseless argument. Granted, by the time I voted there were three candidates and I didn't want to kill either of the others, hence why I voted why I did, but even I don't see the reasoning behind it (do with that what you will, it's the truth. I even said when I voted that I was picking the lesser of three evils)
Just because a person isn't posting much or isn't being helpful doesn't mean they're evil. That's along the same logic as "Donna posted tenth and the tenth post is always made by a wolf" or "Jackie didn't vote until David did both days so she must be following instructions from him". I just don't see the logic. (Granted, there are quiet wolves, but being only Day 2 it seems rather strange to accuse a person of unhelpfulness and lynch them for it. Again, being a bit of a hypocrite but as I said, I did what I thought best at the time.)
So the moral of the story is if you want to suggest lynching someone, fine, but find a better reason to do it than that they are not being as helpful as you'd like. Sorry if it's a bit blunt, but....erm, it's 3am, so bear with me.



Also, please do explain the post I quoted above. I realize I'm probably just stupid, but I'd appreciate it if you'd rephrase it so I don't misunderstand what you're talking about. Thanks in advance.


EDIT: Ignore my second example (regarding such people as Jackie and David). My brain frazzled in the middle of it and I actually put something that made sense. Obviously I'm leaving it in, but mostly so you all can laugh at my ineptness.

[satansaloser2005]

Sorry I haven't checked in. I've been here most of the evening, but I had a rather interesting day at work so I just kind of turned off my brain when I got home....for like four hours apparently. Unfortunately, it's now almost 2am and it won't properly turn back on. Whoops. *shifty eyes*


Of Nerwen (and in Nerwen format, just for kicks): OH HAI GUYZ! LUK WE G0T R1D OF A WULF! YAYZ0RS! Okay, that kind of hurts my brain; done now. I'm sad she had to drop out, because it's a pity for her to not be able to play. However, I'm glad that we're rid of her. (You know what I mean.)

Problem is, dearies, we now have the same problem we had last game, to an extent, with a person being turned from innocent to wolf. So if we happen to catch that person toDay we'll be dern lucky. Go with me on this, if you will. I don't think the odds of us finding the flipped wolf are going to be very high, so let's not ignore it, but also not make it our top priority. (Not that I see that becoming a problem, just saying.) Just go with what we "know" already, unless of course something sticks out, then by all means go for it. Now then....onto another subject....

Of Kath (and in as close to her character format as I feel like coming): Alas, poor Kath, we knew her well....or, erm, not. She hardly posted. Why....the....bloody....devil....did the wolves kill her? Here's a crack theory for you: maybe they figured the ranger (especially after her spectacular save) would stay nice and quiet, and went after Kath to try to de-gifted the village? Huh? Huh? ....No? Okay, fine, whatever. Probably just a kill to leave no trail, especially since they were getting a new wolf last Night.

Randomly, to Durelin: Eon seems....cheesy? Maybe I'm too tired, but I don't get it. Could you explain that a bit? Sorry, just noticed that and figured I'd ask.

Oh yeah, we have a cobbler in this village. I keep forgetting for some reason. Which (sort of....) brings me to Master Noggie McNoggersons. (wow....I AM tired) He's acting....what's the word....meh, we'll stick with different. Maybe it's just me, but he seems too unlike himself. Distracted? No. Not the word. Blah. Stick with different. Anyway, it doesn't seem typical for him as an innocent, nor does it (though I'm obviously not the authority on this) seem like he's a wolf. Could he be our cobbler? Your thoughts, I can have them please.


Sorry, I should have posted earlier when I was more awake. Like I said, terrible person, but I'm exhausted; my apologies loves. I need some sleep. My computer's been acting up a bit so I don't know if I'll be able to pop in during my lunch break at work tomorrow closer to deadline. I don't see it being a problem, but I may vote in the morning (aka in like 7 hours or so) before I go to work just in case. I'll let you know when I wake up. Good night! Either sleep tight or post lots while I'm gone!



EDIT: sleepily x'd twice with Snoopy