The reason Sauron wanted to conquer Middle Earth... my theory...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by alatar

Interesting thread. Why would Sauron want to conquer all of Middle Earth - would this end his game? Did he need to conquer all?

I think that Sauron, first of all, had the need to conquer all. He must have squirmed under Morgoth's "rule," though I think that he was given pretty much free reign and maybe in time would have contested even Morgoth for the rule of all. In the mean time, Sauron may have just been going along with Morgoth's game as it fit his own ends. It's been said about him that he was only 'second' only because Morgoth was first.

I don't think that he would have contested Morgoth's rule, although I do not want to eliminate the thought completely.


I just think that you can have an extreme lust for domination and power and still be second in command without rebelling.

Like:
Stalin under Lenin
Himler under Hitler
and
Cheney under Bush

[Morthoron]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

I don't think that he would have contested Morgoth's rule, although I do not want to eliminate the thought completely.

I just think that you can have an extreme lust for domination and power and still be second in command without rebelling.

Rune, I agree that it is not likely Sauron would have contested Morgoth's renewed rule. After all, Sauron built Angband in anticipation of Morgoth's return in the 1st Age (and of course there's the apocryphal information regarding Morgoth's release from bondage at the end of the world).

It is, however, intriguing to think of Sauron and Morgoth squaring off, isn't it? Morgoth most likely would still command the remaining Balrogs and dragons, while Sauron (with the aid of the Rings) would probably hold his armies of corrupted men in sway. What the question would be is which way the Orcs might go (and argument could be made for either Sauron or Morgoth).

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Like:
Stalin under Lenin
Himler under Hitler
and
Cheney under Bush

Hmmm...let me see, you list 2 sets of evil geniuses, then a pair of bumbling, obfuscating wannabes. I don't get the comparison.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Morthoron

What the question would be is which way the Orcs might go (and argument could be made for either Sauron or Morgoth).

Probably Morgoth. He made them after all. Sauron is just "borrowing" them, or "keeping them safe". They're not actually his to command, if Morgoth was the other option.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Morthoron

Rune, I agree that it is not likely Sauron would have contested Morgoth's renewed rule. After all, Sauron built Angband in anticipation of Morgoth's return in the 1st Age (and of course there's the apocryphal information regarding Morgoth's release from bondage at the end of the world).

It is, however, intriguing to think of Sauron and Morgoth squaring off, isn't it? Morgoth most likely would still command the remaining Balrogs and dragons, while Sauron (with the aid of the Rings) would probably hold his armies of corrupted men in sway. What the question would be is which way the Orcs might go (and argument could be made for either Sauron or Morgoth).

Yes it is interesting. . .it would be interesting to see how loyalties would be devided, I mean if Sauron could betray Morgoth then the Balrogs might be split between the two and the orcs what about them?

Originally Posted by Morthoron

Hmmm...let me see, you list 2 sets of evil geniuses, then a pair of bumbling, obfuscating wannabes. I don't get the comparison.

I think it was a case of me being tired because I got home late after a night out and decided that it would be funny to throw in a pair that would devide people, then I just picked the most obviouse pair (to me).