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Thinlómien · 06-09-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

And Vana, also without the marks (not Vána), would be "bath-tub" in Czech... so these probably are not the best picks

Oh yes, and Vana (again without the accent) would be "wake" in Finnish. A wake as if a sort of a line. I'm not sure if I can explain but the term "wake" makes little sense to me in this meaning (had to consult a dictionary). But hmmm.. it's like a trail or line left by something that has either been dragged or has flowed. I hope I made sense.

Anyway, as that is not very bad and Vána and Vana are supposed to be pronounced differently, I did not bring it up before but Legate kind of forced me to...

Mithalwen · 06-09-2008, 01:37 PM

Oh dear, I knew someone called Vanna so I thought it would be ok.... the horrors of translation..... My lecturer used to collect this sort of stuff. My favourite was the renaming of the Vauxhall/Opel Nova car for the Spanish market (no va = it doesn't go!)

Many welsh names are unsuprisingly close or identical to Elvish eg Morwen (maiden) Rhiannon (great queen) Angharad (much loved) , and Amroth is a place....

Thinlómien · 06-09-2008, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Oh dear, I knew someone called Vanna so I thought it would be ok.... the horrors of translation.....

Vanna? Poor her: that's the word for a plastic bowl/bath tube babies and toddlers are bathed in!

Oh, I love this.

Mithalwen · 06-09-2008, 01:52 PM

Well she was run over by a truck so her misfortunes only increased...

Now you will probably tell me that my own name means lavatory cistern in Finnish or something just as bad.... not that they have such great meanings in their own languages...

Thinlómien · 06-09-2008, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Now you will probably tell me that my own name means lavatory cistern in Finnish or something just as bad.... not that they have such great meanings in their own languages...

Haha, no.

Not yours or any other downers' names I can think of.

Rikae · 06-09-2008, 02:08 PM

Sheesh - as if it isn't enough to worry about how a name sounds in English and German, now we have to worry about Czech and Finnish, too?

Mithalwen · 06-09-2008, 02:12 PM

Oh but their names probably sound silly to us ....

Thinlómien · 06-09-2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikae

Sheesh - as if it isn't enough to worry about how a name sounds in English and German, now we have to worry about Czech and Finnish, too?

No, you need not. I will just tell you if you consider something totally outrageous...

McCaber · 06-10-2008, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Oh yes, and Vana (again without the accent) would be "wake" in Finnish. A wake as if a sort of a line. I'm not sure if I can explain but the term "wake" makes little sense to me in this meaning (had to consult a dictionary). But hmmm.. it's like a trail or line left by something that has either been dragged or has flowed. I hope I made sense.

Just to clear something up: a wake is that white foaming trail left by a boat in the water.

Bêthberry · 06-10-2008, 11:40 AM

Now I can't shake this association of Vana with an Irish wake. I think this is something to keep a note of, for possible REB use some day.

Morthoron · 06-10-2008, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Bêthberry

Now I can't shake this association of Vana with an Irish wake. I think this is something to keep a note of, for possible REB use some day.

A wake? Isn't that what Elmer Fudd uses to gather the weaves in his yawd?

Sorry, too much caffeine today. Funny though, I've never had coffee at a wake, but the guest of honor won't wake even if he had coffee.

Sorry again. Ah, what a muddled mess I have left in my wake.

D'oh!

Thinlómien · 06-10-2008, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by McCaber

Just to clear something up: a wake is that white foaming trail left by a boat in the water.

Thank you. But the dictionary seemed to imply it could mean something else (something very similar) too, but it was rather unclear. And it isn't a perfect translation as the Finnish word means just so much more than that ship thing...

Nerwen · 06-22-2008, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by The Poster Formerly Known As Olórin the White

Yay Finnish! it's my native tongue and I always hold pride in the fact that the creation of Quenya was greatly influenced by it

Evidently, with words like "vana" and "vanavedessä"!

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Thank you. But the dictionary seemed to imply it could mean something else (something very similar) too, but it was rather unclear. And it isn't a perfect translation as the Finnish word means just so much more than that ship thing...

Lommy, "wake" is also used in a metaphorical way: "in the wake of" means "following" or "as a result of". Very popular with journalists. Like, "In the wake of last week's scandal, the Prime Minister has announced his intention to resign from office".

Thinlómien · 07-07-2008, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

Lommy, "wake" is also used in a metaphorical way: "in the wake of" means "following" or "as a result of". Very popular with journalists. Like, "In the wake of last week's scandal, the Prime Minister has announced his intention to resign from office".

Yes, now that I think of it, I must have heard it a dozen times but not registered it. Also, thanks to Guy Gavriel Kay, I can now also use it of people.

(Err, that is if I can remember the correct preposition...

) I always enjoy learning English.

Nogrod · 06-10-2008, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Oh yes, and Vana (again without the accent) would be "wake" in Finnish. A wake as if a sort of a line. I'm not sure if I can explain but the term "wake" makes little sense to me in this meaning (had to consult a dictionary). But hmmm.. it's like a trail or line left by something that has either been dragged or has flowed.

I think the important part here is that a "vana" is a trail of something in Finnish. So vana is nothing independent but something that exists following something else.

When a (small) boat goes through the water it leaves a "vana" behind it.

There is a Finninsh idiom that says something comes in "vanavedessä" of something eg. in "vana-waters" of something. There's the tie with the water.

Like a candidate in the elecetions who gets a landslide vote will draw the next candidate of her/his party in his/her "vanavedessä" up in the ranking and possibly through the election.

Or in athletics when for instance during the marathon one runner makes a dash for it at 30 kilometers and some others follow in his "vanavedessä" to break from the main group.

So it means following in a way even if it is a substantive - the thing that is to be seen from something that follows - like the trail in the water of a boat, or the trail (vana) of tears that can be seen on the cheeks even if the actual tears have dropped away.

Olórin the White · 06-20-2008, 05:33 PM

Yay Finnish! it's my native tongue and I always hold pride in the fact that the creation of Quenya was greatly influenced by it

Feanathiel · 06-20-2008, 05:56 PM

p.s. I've switched to a new account because I found a better user name than Olorin the White. It's a little more personal to me

as for names recommended thus far, I really liked Liona and Arien! Rhionna is also a great choice. It means enchantress and can be loosely translated to Luthien!

Aganzir · 07-08-2008, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Olórin the White/Feanathiel

Yay Finnish! it's my native tongue and I always hold pride in the fact that the creation of Quenya was greatly influenced by it

We're soon taking over the forum.

Morm, I, too, think Rian is lovely. Keep trying.

As for Este and Vana, I have always been aware of their meanings in Finnish but I never thought about them that way, if you understand what I mean. Their names never made me laugh or anything (as a matter of fact, the only name that had me laughing was Kalavénë which, without the accents, means fishing boat) - Este never was an obstacle Vana a wake to me. Though if the child ever met a Finn who's not familiar with Tolkien's works, I don't know what they would think.

Two nice names that I can think of are Eonwe and Fionwe (or Finwe), but I'm not sure if they sound too feminine? What about Curufin and Daeron?

Haleth is a nice name which also works for both genders. Lalaith would make a good one, too - unless the parents don't want to name their child after a girl who died at the age of three.

Nice as it is, I guess Lobelia is not one of the most popular M-E names?

I must suggest also Maglor.

THE Ka · 07-08-2008, 09:05 AM

Rian is a beautiful name, morm.

Amarië is another beautiful female name.
If I remember correctly, she was a Vanya and 'beloved' by Finrod, but decided to stay in Valinor.

It can possibly work without too many problems, since it sounds similar to 'anne-marie'.

Arien is beautiful and won't confuse non-Tolkien fans too much I guess.

I guess if your daughter has dark hair, Morwen would work. It's a pretty name, but probably not the best 'fate' wise.

That's all I can think of now, but others probably have better suggestions. Congratulations!

~ Ka

TheGreatElvenWarrior · 07-08-2008, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Aganzir

Lalaith would make a good one, too - unless the parents don't want to name their child after a girl who died at the age of three.

Nice as it is, I guess Lobelia is not one of the most popular M-E names?

I rather like the name Lalaith, it's very pretty, even if you don't know the meaning...

But I think that I would name my kid Lobelia. It is a nice name, and I rather like Lobelia S.B. anyway!
But I don't think I'm going to be having kids anytime soon... or at least I hope not...

06-09-2008, 01:37 PM	#2
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,463	Melian would still be best then.... Oh dear, I knew someone called Vanna so I thought it would be ok.... the horrors of translation..... My lecturer used to collect this sort of stuff. My favourite was the renaming of the Vauxhall/Opel Nova car for the Spanish market (no va = it doesn't go!) Many welsh names are unsuprisingly close or identical to Elvish eg Morwen (maiden) Rhiannon (great queen) Angharad (much loved) , and Amroth is a place.... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

06-09-2008, 01:52 PM	#4
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,463	Well she was run over by a truck so her misfortunes only increased... Now you will probably tell me that my own name means lavatory cistern in Finnish or something just as bad.... not that they have such great meanings in their own languages... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

06-09-2008, 02:12 PM	#7
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,463	Oh but their names probably sound silly to us .... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

06-10-2008, 11:40 AM	#10
Bêthberry Cryptic Aura Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 6,005	Now I can't shake this association of Vana with an Irish wake. I think this is something to keep a note of, for possible REB use some day. __________________ I’ll sing his roots off. I’ll sing a wind up and blow leaf and branch away.

06-20-2008, 05:33 PM	#16
Olórin the White Newly Deceased Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9	Yay Finnish! it's my native tongue and I always hold pride in the fact that the creation of Quenya was greatly influenced by it __________________ wise yet tookishly foolish

06-09-2008, 02:08 PM	#6
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	Sheesh - as if it isn't enough to worry about how a name sounds in English and German, now we have to worry about Czech and Finnish, too?

06-20-2008, 05:56 PM	#17
Feanathiel Newly Deceased Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 4	p.s. I've switched to a new account because I found a better user name than Olorin the White. It's a little more personal to me as for names recommended thus far, I really liked Liona and Arien! Rhionna is also a great choice. It means enchantress and can be loosely translated to Luthien!

07-08-2008, 09:05 AM	#19
THE Ka Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: As with the flygja Posts: 1,403	Rian is a beautiful name, morm. Amarië is another beautiful female name. If I remember correctly, she was a Vanya and 'beloved' by Finrod, but decided to stay in Valinor. It can possibly work without too many problems, since it sounds similar to 'anne-marie'. Arien is beautiful and won't confuse non-Tolkien fans too much I guess. I guess if your daughter has dark hair, Morwen would work. It's a pretty name, but probably not the best 'fate' wise. That's all I can think of now, but others probably have better suggestions. Congratulations! ~ Ka __________________ Vinur, vinur skilur tú meg? Veitst tú ongan loyniveg? Hevur tú reikað líka sum eg, í endaleysu tokuni? Last edited by THE Ka; 07-08-2008 at 09:08 AM.

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