Christopher Tolkien: kill HOBBIT film - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

William Cloud Hicklin · 05-26-2008, 09:45 AM

RM doesn't personally vet every story in his huge empire as some sort of Grand Propaganda Strategy. The one dominant watchword at the RuperTimes is- SELL! Sex it up, create scandal, do whatever it takes to move the rag. Oh, how Trollope's Thunderer has fallen!

If RM is concerned at all, it's along the lines that 'no press is bad press.' Any and all coverage helps generate the hypestorm desired.

Sauron the White · 05-26-2008, 02:45 PM

I very much liked the posts of WCH and Davem -- even when I differ with you ... (which is not now) -- I still respect your wisdom.

I never thought about the Murdoch connection with Harper Collins and the movies and the lawsuit. very interesting ...

in the end... its all about money from the Murdoch perspective ... and I think Davem is 100% right ---- there will be swag for all come 2011.

Look, I will be honest here ... I just want to have my grandson play hookey from his fifth grade class in December of 2011 and take him to see HOBBIT. I am 58 years old and hope to live that long. He loves the LOTR movies and I hope he will soon love the books as much or more ... hopefully more. I just want to live to see all this.

ArathornJax · 05-26-2008, 04:12 PM

As someone who is in their early forties, and waiting to hear if I have cancer or another disorder in my upper G I understand your point. The last week has brought to my face the issue of my own mortality and in a way though scary, it has been a very good thing. It has made me re-evaluate my priorities in life and as I hope and pray for one of the three things I may have outside of cancer (and it probably is not cancer but always the chance as the Doctor told me) I too would agree with you that I would love to go with my son who will be 17 at the time and my wife and my daughter who will be 18. I could almost day as much as I am excited about some things about The Hobbit movie adaptation, I am more excited to wake up each day and feel the wind on my face, raindrops dropping, seeing lightning and hearing thunder, the laughter of my kids and my wife and their affection. In the end what more does one need in life? Loved ones, a few good friends, good food and enjoyment in the simple things of life. Perhaps we are in the end, we all need to be more Hobbit like than human like as we get caught up in this crazy world we call life.

But I digress. I also agree with davem and William that money controls this and so in 2011 and 2012 there will be movies whether we view that as a good or a bad thing. Though I enjoy most of the adaptations (there are a couple . . . ) for me, the books are in the end, the cannon, the very source of all and I enjoy them the most.

Sauron the White · 05-26-2008, 04:57 PM

Arathorn -- wishing you all the best news..... lighting a candle for you.

Lush · 05-29-2008, 02:08 AM

!!!

Good luck, Arathorn.

Movies will get made. Lush will enjoy (if she's around, when you're living in the most unstable region in the world, you never really know). Christopher Tolkien? Don't really have an opinion on him either way. It would be kinda morbidly cool if he did pace all night, muttering to himself, but then again, he's not a character, but a person.

Knight of Gondor · 05-30-2008, 04:56 PM

I'm disturbed by how many people have filed legal gripes against New Line. Extras and actors (there's a list on a thread somewhere in these hollows) filed suit, PJ was upset with them, and now Christopher Tolkien is upset. New Line had better clean up shop!

Galin · 06-02-2008, 07:49 AM

Mr. Hicklin (or anyone) do you know what the deal is with this 'tax bill'? I might have missed something, but I don't recall Hammond and Scull mentioning it.

The 'picture' (albeit general) that I get from Chronology is that Tolkien was in need of cash during the 'Zimmerman Days' due to retiring IIRC -- but later JRRT appears to leave the film stuff largely up to A&U, due to his earlier promise.

No?

05-26-2008, 09:45 AM	#1
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,330	RM doesn't personally vet every story in his huge empire as some sort of Grand Propaganda Strategy. The one dominant watchword at the RuperTimes is- SELL! Sex it up, create scandal, do whatever it takes to move the rag. Oh, how Trollope's Thunderer has fallen! If RM is concerned at all, it's along the lines that 'no press is bad press.' Any and all coverage helps generate the hypestorm desired. __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.

05-26-2008, 04:12 PM	#3
ArathornJax Haunting Spirit Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Out West near a Big Salty Lake Posts: 76	Sauron the White As someone who is in their early forties, and waiting to hear if I have cancer or another disorder in my upper G I understand your point. The last week has brought to my face the issue of my own mortality and in a way though scary, it has been a very good thing. It has made me re-evaluate my priorities in life and as I hope and pray for one of the three things I may have outside of cancer (and it probably is not cancer but always the chance as the Doctor told me) I too would agree with you that I would love to go with my son who will be 17 at the time and my wife and my daughter who will be 18. I could almost day as much as I am excited about some things about The Hobbit movie adaptation, I am more excited to wake up each day and feel the wind on my face, raindrops dropping, seeing lightning and hearing thunder, the laughter of my kids and my wife and their affection. In the end what more does one need in life? Loved ones, a few good friends, good food and enjoyment in the simple things of life. Perhaps we are in the end, we all need to be more Hobbit like than human like as we get caught up in this crazy world we call life. But I digress. I also agree with davem and William that money controls this and so in 2011 and 2012 there will be movies whether we view that as a good or a bad thing. Though I enjoy most of the adaptations (there are a couple . . . ) for me, the books are in the end, the cannon, the very source of all and I enjoy them the most. __________________ "At any minute it is what we are and are doing, not what we plan to be and do that counts." JRR Tolkien in 6 October 1940 letter to Michael Tolkien

05-29-2008, 02:08 AM	#5
Lush Fair and Cold Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the big onion Posts: 1,770	!!! Good luck, Arathorn. Movies will get made. Lush will enjoy (if she's around, when you're living in the most unstable region in the world, you never really know). Christopher Tolkien? Don't really have an opinion on him either way. It would be kinda morbidly cool if he did pace all night, muttering to himself, but then again, he's not a character, but a person. __________________ ~The beginning is the word and the end is silence. And in between are all the stories. This is one of mine~

05-30-2008, 04:56 PM	#6
Knight of Gondor Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 744	I'm disturbed by how many people have filed legal gripes against New Line. Extras and actors (there's a list on a thread somewhere in these hollows) filed suit, PJ was upset with them, and now Christopher Tolkien is upset. New Line had better clean up shop! __________________ Eagerly awaiting the REAL Return of the King - Jesus Christ! Revelation 19:11-16

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05-26-2008, 02:45 PM	#2
Sauron the White Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 903	I very much liked the posts of WCH and Davem -- even when I differ with you ... (which is not now) -- I still respect your wisdom. I never thought about the Murdoch connection with Harper Collins and the movies and the lawsuit. very interesting ... in the end... its all about money from the Murdoch perspective ... and I think Davem is 100% right ---- there will be swag for all come 2011. Look, I will be honest here ... I just want to have my grandson play hookey from his fifth grade class in December of 2011 and take him to see HOBBIT. I am 58 years old and hope to live that long. He loves the LOTR movies and I hope he will soon love the books as much or more ... hopefully more. I just want to live to see all this.

05-26-2008, 04:57 PM	#4
Sauron the White Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 903	Arathorn -- wishing you all the best news..... lighting a candle for you.

06-02-2008, 07:49 AM	#7
Galin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,036	Mr. Hicklin (or anyone) do you know what the deal is with this 'tax bill'? I might have missed something, but I don't recall Hammond and Scull mentioning it. The 'picture' (albeit general) that I get from Chronology is that Tolkien was in need of cash during the 'Zimmerman Days' due to retiring IIRC -- but later JRRT appears to leave the film stuff largely up to A&U, due to his earlier promise. No?